lisa
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Post by lisa on Jan 25, 2019 23:06:47 GMT
Oh my, not sure is this is an AP thing, it is just a dating thing. Let the man lead. Period. Mirror him. So if he texts, text him back. If he asks you out, say yes. This man is not into you. Into you men make plans - avoidant or not. What kind of relationship do you want? I doubt a secure person would deal with this malarky. A secure person would say.... we had a nice date, but his follow through has been weak. NEXT. And as to keeping score, once you are in a committed relationship that never works, the score thing. But until then (courting), let him do the work, and he is not doing it. You are setting yourself up for FWB, and if that is what you want, then keep doing this. You should not beat yourself up for the mentioning of the plans, but a secure person would do it once. Not multiple times.
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Post by faithopelove on Jan 26, 2019 4:38:25 GMT
I think it’s reasonable to ask about plans once and only once in the very early stages of dating....and then let it go. Men always do what they want to do. If he wanted to date you, he’d find a way to work it in.
Maybe he’s only looking for a date once a month or so- if that’s what you want also, then it works. If not, and it sounds like it’s not enough, then you should look elsewhere and get out before you get further emotionally involved.
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Post by unluckyinlove on Jan 26, 2019 4:50:22 GMT
My FA ex was a musician as well and when it comes to band/rehearsal etc you will always come second. 😆 In all seriousness though, you said he has two kids, two jobs, is preparing for a big music festival that he’s nervous about and he’s still making time to talk and text with you frequently. I’d say that still a really good sign. I don’t think you should ask him any more about making plans....just wait for him to get into a place where he can free up a little time. I know when it’s new and exciting, days feel like weeks when you can’t see each other but if you can practice patience, you’ll show him that you can respect his time and his space and he won’t feel smothered.
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Post by sissyk on Jan 26, 2019 13:54:31 GMT
I agree you need more time and data here.I think it is good you were direct. But now you need to see what he does after his big festival. See if he in fact calls you to make concrete plans when life quiets down. You might have caught him at a crazy moment of busyness or he might be breadcrumbing you to keep you on the bench for when/if he wants a FWB visit.
Don't invite him again and meanwhile keep dating other people if anyone catches your interest. Up to you if you want to keep texting or pull back til he steps up to make actual plans.
Sounds too early to diagnose his behavior as avoidant. You were honest and direct and vulnerable...all good. I hear you saying you want to go for it with him. In most of life this means taking bold action but here you just have to watch his actions not his words.
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Post by sissyk on Jan 26, 2019 14:13:52 GMT
Oh my, not sure is this is an AP thing, it is just a dating thing. Let the man lead. Period. Mirror him. So if he texts, text him back. If he asks you out, say yes. This man is not into you. Into you men make plans - avoidant or not. What kind of relationship do you want? I doubt a secure person would deal with this malarky. A secure person would say.... we had a nice date, but his follow through has been weak. NEXT. And as to keeping score, once you are in a committed relationship that never works, the score thing. But until then (courting), let him do the work, and he is not doing it. You are setting yourself up for FWB, and if that is what you want, then keep doing this. You should not beat yourself up for the mentioning of the plans, but a secure person would do it once. Not multiple times. As an aside, I heard this kind of let the man lead advice when I began dating again last year after-cough-decades. I have since short term dated several guys besides DA. I think a better rule is be yourself. If you are enthusiastic and like direct communications, my vote is show your stripes from the start. Guys who like you will appreciate your enthusiasm. That doesn't mean ask them repeatedly or do more than your share of initiating but you shouldn't have to wait behind your fan. Also, call me old school. But if a guy likes you enough to sleep with you, he should be sturdy enough to not bolt at the first double text
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Post by lisa on Jan 26, 2019 16:42:16 GMT
There are those who say never to contact. I do not advocate that, but if you are making multiple moves and he is not really doing the only thing that matters - spending time with you, do not think you are being secure by continuing to contact. Secure is about asking, but not activating. Asking once is secure, continuing in the face of something not mutual is activating. Just something to comsider...
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Post by sissyk on Jan 26, 2019 17:13:06 GMT
There are those who say never to contact. I do not advocate that, but if you are making multiple moves and he is not really doing the only thing that matters - spending time with you, do not think you are being secure by continuing to contact. Secure is about asking, but not activating. Asking once is secure, continuing in the face of something not mutual is activating. Just something to comsider... Agree. Make an overture if you feel it, see how it goes over. Recalibrate based on the feedback gathered. I think the popular message out there that women have to lean way back isn't authentic. I have found it unhelpful and time wasting rather than best practices. Though I know all the advice out there advocates men lead I wish I had ignored in some of my early dating forays.
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Post by notalone on Jan 26, 2019 17:33:10 GMT
Thanks everyone. I don’t intent to ask about plans again. If he wants to see me he knows I’m into it.
The reality is it’s a bit complicated: - he’s legit busy - I know when most guys are head over heals for a girl they’ll find the time -He’s avoidant and told me it takes him a long time to commit -It’s early days -he’s starting therapy
Given all that I’m trying to be patient and see what happens.
I’m also trying to learn from it and focus on me, hence me checking in with ya’all about my behaviour.
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Post by unluckyinlove on Jan 26, 2019 18:01:52 GMT
I also know when most guys are head over heals for a girl they’ll find the time.. [ Yeah I hear ya. But it still sounds positive to me. Try to push your own fears down and keep yourself busy to keep your mind off of it. Try also to keep your interactions positive and try not to let those insecurities creep into your texts and calls. Good luck!
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Post by notalone on Jan 26, 2019 18:39:29 GMT
I also know when most guys are head over heals for a girl they’ll find the time.. [ Yeah I hear ya. But it still sounds positive to me. Try to push your own fears down and keep yourself busy to keep your mind off of it. Try also to keep your interactions positive and try not to let those insecurities creep into your texts and calls. Good luck! I hear you too. And I appreciate that. I do see many positives. And I’m also mindful of the red flags. Our conversations and interactions are positive and lovely. I don’t share my anxiety about him with him, or let it impact our dynamic. But instead of thinking of it as pushing my feelings down, I see it as putting them where they belong. My insecurities are for me to work out with my therapist, my close friends, and here. IF he becomes my partner then I’ll share those types of things with him. Right now it’s about getting to know each other better as people, and seeing where it goes.
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Post by alexandra on Jan 26, 2019 21:38:15 GMT
Hi notalone, while I understand that you're very attracted to this man and there are some other things you like about him, is this really the relationship dynamic you want? The list of reasons it's complicated you made are both unlikely to change anytime soon and are things that are likely to spike your anxiety. Is this situation really going to work for you without some big changes? Is there a better chance it will actually hamper your progress and self-focus by triggering you? If you're both trying to go to independent therapy and the timing is off, have you considered letting this go for now and maybe revisiting in the future if you're still single and the situation has potentially improved? If he's avoidant/afraid of commitment and JUST started therapy, it's still going to take several months to work or longer, especially when he's so busy in other areas of his life. I know it's hard to let go when you're AP and there's an intense attraction that didn't get the opportunity to fully develop due to circumstances/timing, plus the initial pull of the anxious/avoidant pairing. I've been there. But this sounds like a very unstable dynamic to me at a time that you're trying to heal yourself.
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Post by anne12 on Jan 26, 2019 22:04:58 GMT
Wow his a busy Guy ? Are you Up for that in the Long run ? Do you know that your ans (autopilot) Works twise as fast as your cognitive level/your mind ? So your YES to this Guy ("screw IT") can be your autopilot making the dicicions and not your cognitive mind
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Post by notalone on Jan 26, 2019 22:44:27 GMT
Hi notalone, while I understand that you're very attracted to this man and there are some other things you like about him, is this really the relationship dynamic you want? The list of reasons it's complicated you made are both unlikely to change anytime soon and are things that are likely to spike your anxiety. Is this situation really going to work for you without some big changes? Is there a better chance it will actually hamper your progress and self-focus by triggering you? If you're both trying to go to independent therapy and the timing is off, have you considered letting this go for now and maybe revisiting in the future if you're still single and the situation has potentially improved? If he's avoidant/afraid of commitment and JUST started therapy, it's still going to take several months to work or longer, especially when he's so busy in other areas of his life. I know it's hard to let go when you're AP and there's an intense attraction that didn't get the opportunity to fully develop due to circumstances/timing, plus the initial pull of the anxious/avoidant pairing. I've been there. But this sounds like a very unstable dynamic to me at a time that you're trying to heal yourself. I understand and appreciate everything you’re saying. I know the risks. But this is where I’m at and what I’m doing for now. IMy therapist asked me if I’d bet a hundred dollars it’ll work out, and I laughed out loud and said no way. I get that it’s unlikely, but I’m tired of running from it just to question what if i stayed. So I’m taking it one day at a time, doing my best not to have expectations, to keep living my life the best way I can.
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Post by notalone on Jan 26, 2019 22:51:38 GMT
Wow his a busy Guy ? Are you Up for that in the Long run ? Do you know that your ans (autopilot) Works twise as fast as your cognitive level/your mind ? So your YES to this Guy ("screw IT") can be your autopilot making the dicicions and not your cognitive mind I’m not sure why you added a question mark after the busy guy statement. Are you asking me a question? I’m not making judgments about the long run right now. Just taking this one day at a time. Did you know most of what we worry about never happens? I’m aware that impulses work faster than cognition. As someone with a history of impulse control difficulty, I’m very aware of that indeed. I get that this is a page of people who struggle with anxious attachment, and this situation is a loaded one considering that, but I was really only looking for feedback on the one question right now. Thanks anyways.
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Post by alexandra on Jan 26, 2019 23:40:39 GMT
I was really only looking for feedback on the one question right now. Thanks anyways. Then bringing it up a second time two weeks later isn't objectively needy or too much, but his perception of it is all that matters. If he's busy and avoidant, his threshold for needy and too much may be different. If all it takes to scare him off is asking to make plans twice in a month, something else would be bound to set him off anyway, so no need to doubt youself. I don't think this stuff is a gendered thing as much as it is a personality thing. Introvert/extrovert, active/passive, attachment style. You can find both men and women with preferences across the board about who takes the initiative to make plans and how often. You can also just directly ask him his preference for making plans at this time since he's so busy (he leads or you lead), in an authentically curious way not defensively.
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