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Post by seeking on Mar 22, 2020 11:59:12 GMT
I am posting in this category although I don't fully know what "type" I am but I think anxious avoidant. I am realizing things lately given our circumstances. I like safety. I LOVE safety. I crave it. I love protection. And crave protection - and I crave that in someone else. If anyone knows the Enneagram, I am a classic 6. I've always been full of fear, worry, anxiety. This whole pandemic thing brought that out. I'm a single mom and I stockpiled and I did everything I could to secure safety and protection for my child and me. I am working around the clock to be sure I keep my income. I'm alone in this. And that part feels awful. My dad hasn't even asked if I'm okay. He's worried about himself. My mom helps take care of him. I emotionally support my sister - and her husband - at times. But who is there for me? I met a guy recently and I thought he fit the bill. But then when he told me he was glad his daughter's (in NYC) school stayed open (during all this), I felt really turned off. Whaaa? You're okay with your daughter being at school in the midst of this? And then he was like "What is the big deal?" Again turned me off. I realized I would want someone more like a family friend I know who is a provider type and ensured his family was safe and took heed, etc. And I can see why. I never had a dad who felt like he was protective of me. And I know I'm seeking that in a guy - really longing for that. But is that healthy? Even though I'm in my 40s, I still think about and long for a nuclear family where I get to be mom to my daughter (who needs me) instead of this exhausted working mom who has no time for her and is worried about money constantly - and having a man to provide and protect and support. And I'd support him in ways too (not saying it would be one way). But I can't tell if that's some unhealthy, codependent little-girl fantasy or what.
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Post by tnr9 on Mar 22, 2020 13:27:08 GMT
I am posting in this category although I don't fully know what "type" I am but I think anxious avoidant. I am realizing things lately given our circumstances. I like safety. I LOVE safety. I crave it. I love protection. And crave protection - and I crave that in someone else. If anyone knows the Enneagram, I am a classic 6. I've always been full of fear, worry, anxiety. This whole pandemic thing brought that out. I'm a single mom and I stockpiled and I did everything I could to secure safety and protection for my child and me. I am working around the clock to be sure I keep my income. I'm alone in this. And that part feels awful. My dad hasn't even asked if I'm okay. He's worried about himself. My mom helps take care of him. I emotionally support my sister - and her husband - at times. But who is there for me? I met a guy recently and I thought he fit the bill. But then when he told me he was glad his daughter's (in NYC) school stayed open (during all this), I felt really turned off. Whaaa? You're okay with your daughter being at school in the midst of this? And then he was like "What is the big deal?" Again turned me off. I realized I would want someone more like a family friend I know who is a provider type and ensured his family was safe and took heed, etc. And I can see why. I never had a dad who felt like he was protective of me. And I know I'm seeking that in a guy - really longing for that. But is that healthy? Even though I'm in my 40s, I still think about and long for a nuclear family where I get to be mom to my daughter (who needs me) instead of this exhausted working mom who has no time for her and is worried about money constantly - and having a man to provide and protect and support. And I'd support him in ways too (not saying it would be one way). But I can't tell if that's some unhealthy, codependent little-girl fantasy or what. Hi...welcome.....I know there are free tests online and it may be worth exploring that avenue. I agree with your assessment of this man you met....he does not sound safe and to say what he did about his daughter indicates that his view is from “what works best for me” as opposed to “what works best for me, you and us”. I don’t think it is a child fantasy to want to feel protected and safe. I think there are men who can provide you with that.
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Post by nyc718 on Mar 22, 2020 15:13:16 GMT
I am posting in this category although I don't fully know what "type" I am but I think anxious avoidant. I am realizing things lately given our circumstances. I like safety. I LOVE safety. I crave it. I love protection. And crave protection - and I crave that in someone else. If anyone knows the Enneagram, I am a classic 6. I've always been full of fear, worry, anxiety. This whole pandemic thing brought that out. I'm a single mom and I stockpiled and I did everything I could to secure safety and protection for my child and me. I am working around the clock to be sure I keep my income. I'm alone in this. And that part feels awful. My dad hasn't even asked if I'm okay. He's worried about himself. My mom helps take care of him. I emotionally support my sister - and her husband - at times. But who is there for me? I met a guy recently and I thought he fit the bill. But then when he told me he was glad his daughter's (in NYC) school stayed open (during all this), I felt really turned off. Whaaa? You're okay with your daughter being at school in the midst of this? And then he was like "What is the big deal?" Again turned me off. I realized I would want someone more like a family friend I know who is a provider type and ensured his family was safe and took heed, etc. And I can see why. I never had a dad who felt like he was protective of me. And I know I'm seeking that in a guy - really longing for that. But is that healthy? Even though I'm in my 40s, I still think about and long for a nuclear family where I get to be mom to my daughter (who needs me) instead of this exhausted working mom who has no time for her and is worried about money constantly - and having a man to provide and protect and support. And I'd support him in ways too (not saying it would be one way). But I can't tell if that's some unhealthy, codependent little-girl fantasy or what. Short answer, no, it's not healthy to look for anyone else to rescue, save , or make you feel complete or whole; that must come from yourself. And it's the work I've been doing for a long time, and recently really have been ramping up on and making good progress on, because I was tired of my old patterns and unhealthy ways of thinking that were no longer serving me. It's deep inner child work that needs to be healed. Until the deeper wounds are healed, you will always look to someone "else" to make you feel whole, but really, it's you that need to make yourself whole; anyone else will fall short and you will repeat the same relationships over and over with men in different bodies. One of the people who I have found very helpful is Aaron Doughty. He can be found on Facebook, Instagram, Youtube. I hope he resonates for people here too. Be well in this unprecedented time <3
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 23:26:24 GMT
Hi seeking , I've asked myself these questions before. I don't have a kid though, but I was quite tormented over whether or not my needs are legitimate or fantasy. My conclusions are as follows: If your deep longing for protection is driving behaviors exerted on other people, it is very unhealthy. For example, you might have resented him for not giving you protection, and end up calling him names and blaming him for the pandemic and pushing him incessantly to take his kids out of school. Your need for protection = making him do the work > that is not healthy. However, you recognised that it triggered your sense of alarm and that it was antithesis to your needs for protection/security, and if it made you take a step back to re-evaluate him/the rship, I think that's healthy. I think nyc718 is right too.. the ability to manage/control your own outcomes/be your own protector is super important. Having the ability to do so, and KNOWING that you have this ability, will give you alot of security and help you differentiate a healthy need vs an unhealthy fantasy. Having confidence in yourself to protect yourself will allow you to take a step back from anyone who does not easily serve this need and will prevent you from enacting unhealthy behaviors. Everyone has different needs, and yours are high on protection/security. The only thing I can say is to honor those needs by developing your own skills and abilities so that you aren't depending on others to provide it (which is a nightmare waiting to happen) and then finding someone who is willing and able to serve those needs in a natural and willing fashion. Do that for yourself, and you will find that you will do it for others as well, and it'll be wonderful when you do find a good partner whom you can be a good partner for.
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Post by serenity on Mar 23, 2020 0:18:00 GMT
I'm unsure if its unhealthy, unless you choose a bad guy?. All of my sisters and most women I grew up with (including current neighbours) found men to financially support them while they raised kids. But our government encourages this by giving a lot of generous tax breaks to men for supporting families. I've heard this is common in Scandanavia too, because of the very high wages.
Its probably unworkable financially in some/many places, given the cost of living. I guess I still think its reasonable for at least one parent (man or woman) to be a full time parent, and probably better for the children. And if you want that, its definitely possible.
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Post by mrob on Mar 23, 2020 0:49:38 GMT
I don’t think it’s a problem to be looking for that - if you’re upfront. Families come in all shapes and sizes. In a family, there are always tasks to be done. The luxury we have in 2020 is that we can choose who does them. I was a stay at home dad who worked weekends for a couple of years. Best years of my life, without a doubt.
There are sacrifices. You’ll never have the level of financial wealth with only one person working depending on your class (dirty word in my part of the world, but truth nonetheless), so you may not be able to have the big house, modern cars, etc. You will be on your own a lot of the time if there’s overtime to do, and so on. And, of course, there’s always the risk that he will burn out in some way and you’ll be left high and dry with a skill set that won’t sustain you outside the home.
Big questions, but, in 2020 we can mix it up.
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Post by seeking on Mar 23, 2020 1:24:06 GMT
Short answer, no, it's not healthy to look for anyone else to rescue, save , or make you feel complete or whole; that must come from yourself. And it's the work I've been doing for a long time, and recently really have been ramping up on and making good progress on, because I was tired of my old patterns and unhealthy ways of thinking that were no longer serving me. It's deep inner child work that needs to be healed. Until the deeper wounds are healed, you will always look to someone "else" to make you feel whole, but really, it's you that need to make yourself whole; anyone else will fall short and you will repeat the same relationships over and over with men in different bodies. One of the people who I have found very helpful is Aaron Doughty. He can be found on Facebook, Instagram, Youtube. I hope he resonates for people here too. Be well in this unprecedented time <3 So is wanting protection and safety the same as being rescued, saved, or complete? To long for someone who is the type who creates safety, provides, offers protection (I'm a single mom with a daughter). I'm not seeing those as synonymous. But that is also why I'm asking. I don't know! How would protection come from myself? I'm alone. I get no child support. I do everything alone. I raise my kid. I protect her and me and keep us safe. And I'd like someone to join me in those efforts and want the same for me and for themselves - But I agree, there is probably deeper inner child work to do here as well. I just can't tell if what I wrote above (second paragraph) is still unhealthy or healthy. Thanks for the recommendation. Will check him out.
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Post by seeking on Mar 23, 2020 1:25:59 GMT
Hi...welcome.....I know there are free tests online and it may be worth exploring that avenue. I agree with your assessment of this man you met....he does not sound safe and to say what he did about his daughter indicates that his view is from “what works best for me” as opposed to “what works best for me, you and us”. I don’t think it is a child fantasy to want to feel protected and safe. I think there are men who can provide you with that. Thank you. In all fairness to him, and just to be clear, this isn't his bio-daughter and she lives with another family. But still. It wasn't a "easier for me" it was more "this whole pandemic thing is over-blown." But if we lived together, that just wouldn't work for me. Overblown or not, I'm taking precautions.
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Post by seeking on Mar 23, 2020 1:31:49 GMT
Hi seeking , I've asked myself these questions before. I don't have a kid though, but I was quite tormented over whether or not my needs are legitimate or fantasy. My conclusions are as follows: If your deep longing for protection is driving behaviors exerted on other people, it is very unhealthy. For example, you might have resented him for not giving you protection, and end up calling him names and blaming him for the pandemic and pushing him incessantly to take his kids out of school. Your need for protection = making him do the work > that is not healthy. However, you recognised that it triggered your sense of alarm and that it was antithesis to your needs for protection/security, and if it made you take a step back to re-evaluate him/the rship, I think that's healthy. I think nyc718 is right too.. the ability to manage/control your own outcomes/be your own protector is super important. Having the ability to do so, and KNOWING that you have this ability, will give you alot of security and help you differentiate a healthy need vs an unhealthy fantasy. Having confidence in yourself to protect yourself will allow you to take a step back from anyone who does not easily serve this need and will prevent you from enacting unhealthy behaviors. Everyone has different needs, and yours are high on protection/security. The only thing I can say is to honor those needs by developing your own skills and abilities so that you aren't depending on others to provide it (which is a nightmare waiting to happen) and then finding someone who is willing and able to serve those needs in a natural and willing fashion. Do that for yourself, and you will find that you will do it for others as well, and it'll be wonderful when you do find a good partner whom you can be a good partner for. This is really interesting and I like how you gave the examples and made the distinctions - I think that is what I'm doing (though I'm worried I'm being avoidant) -- is that this new guy is kind of showing me who he is and I'm pulling back. At first I thought he was this safe, provider, protector guy and I was SUPER drawn to that, but interacting with him over the current crises in our world is showing me someone different, and I'm pulling away. But I think it is more the step back, re-evaluate, variety (not avoidant). I do already have the ability. People tell me all the time I'm super strong. But I still want this. But, yes, again, I think this is a good point. Be that first, and find someone else willing to serve those needs. That is exactly what I needed to figure out. Thank you.
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Post by mrob on Mar 23, 2020 2:14:28 GMT
Dating is surely an assessment of compatibility. Nothing wrong with dating and making a decision.
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Post by number9 on Mar 23, 2020 3:24:32 GMT
I am posting in this category although I don't fully know what "type" I am but I think anxious avoidant. I am realizing things lately given our circumstances. I like safety. I LOVE safety. I crave it. I love protection. And crave protection - and I crave that in someone else. If anyone knows the Enneagram, I am a classic 6. I've always been full of fear, worry, anxiety. This whole pandemic thing brought that out. I'm a single mom and I stockpiled and I did everything I could to secure safety and protection for my child and me. I am working around the clock to be sure I keep my income. I'm alone in this. And that part feels awful. My dad hasn't even asked if I'm okay. He's worried about himself. My mom helps take care of him. I emotionally support my sister - and her husband - at times. But who is there for me? I met a guy recently and I thought he fit the bill. But then when he told me he was glad his daughter's (in NYC) school stayed open (during all this), I felt really turned off. Whaaa? You're okay with your daughter being at school in the midst of this? And then he was like "What is the big deal?" Again turned me off. I realized I would want someone more like a family friend I know who is a provider type and ensured his family was safe and took heed, etc. And I can see why. I never had a dad who felt like he was protective of me. And I know I'm seeking that in a guy - really longing for that. But is that healthy? Even though I'm in my 40s, I still think about and long for a nuclear family where I get to be mom to my daughter (who needs me) instead of this exhausted working mom who has no time for her and is worried about money constantly - and having a man to provide and protect and support. And I'd support him in ways too (not saying it would be one way). But I can't tell if that's some unhealthy, codependent little-girl fantasy or what. Much respect! I think you are already really strong, and I hope you appreciate yourself for this. I've been a solo parent a lot of time and it's not easy, but I've got a good community (and now my "kid" is pretty much an adult, technically). Be careful what you wish for: it could be really annoying to have some bossy man around messing with your independence. (I'm half-joking, here!)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 3:27:37 GMT
Short answer, no, it's not healthy to look for anyone else to rescue, save , or make you feel complete or whole; that must come from yourself. And it's the work I've been doing for a long time, and recently really have been ramping up on and making good progress on, because I was tired of my old patterns and unhealthy ways of thinking that were no longer serving me. It's deep inner child work that needs to be healed. Until the deeper wounds are healed, you will always look to someone "else" to make you feel whole, but really, it's you that need to make yourself whole; anyone else will fall short and you will repeat the same relationships over and over with men in different bodies. One of the people who I have found very helpful is Aaron Doughty. He can be found on Facebook, Instagram, Youtube. I hope he resonates for people here too. Be well in this unprecedented time <3 So is wanting protection and safety the same as being rescued, saved, or complete? To long for someone who is the type who creates safety, provides, offers protection (I'm a single mom with a daughter). I'm not seeing those as synonymous. But that is also why I'm asking. I don't know! How would protection come from myself? I'm alone. I get no child support. I do everything alone. I raise my kid. I protect her and me and keep us safe. And I'd like someone to join me in those efforts and want the same for me and for themselves - But I agree, there is probably deeper inner child work to do here as well. I just can't tell if what I wrote above (second paragraph) is still unhealthy or healthy. Thanks for the recommendation. Will check him out. I don't think it's necessarily the same, but whether or not it is depends on YOU. It might manifest in the same way e.g., man must earn $xxx, but the motivation behind that "requirement" may be different. In any case, you need to know yourself what "protection" means - this again differs for different people, and it's a matter of fit. For example, inferring from what you've said it sounds like you want someone who is aware of dangers and errs on the side of caution. Well, I want that too because I have a medical history and I cannot be with men who don't take that as a priority. Wanting a partner who is protective and safe is a relatively normal thing, but the motivations, how protection looks like, and what you do to get protection are what deserves your attention in your evaluation of healthiness. Protection that comes from yourself can show up different ways. For example, being able to collect good information and detail on how to manage covid if you suspect someone's got it - do you have phone numbers? do you know what the local procedure is? It can look like budgeting skills - are you able to calculate and budget a weekly meal plan for the next 3 weeks in an event of a lock down? Do you have enough fridge space and if not, are you making some? Are you taking note of what your neighbors/colleagues/friends/family are doing and are you distancing yourself from them sufficiently to protect yourself and child? Are you willing and able to walk away from a relationship if it does not work out? Are you able to go to a bank and talk to a financial planner to invest some money somewhere even if it's for a small return? What are your childcare plans if you remove your kid from school if it hasn't shut down yet? I'm just rambling here, but self-protection really just looks like... "if I'm alone in the world, how do I take care of myself?" Wanting someone to join in those efforts and wanting someone to take the burden off you are very different, and I think there's NOTHING wrong with wanting a partner. there's something wrong in wanting to outsource your responsibility, but it doesn't sound like that's what you want. We all have a duty to ourselves to find the best possible care out there, aside from providing it ourselves. If you know that you can provide it yourself to yourself (and kid), then you should be assured that finding a partner requires you to assess how these individuals contribute to that self-protection. it will not be a process of finding someone else to give you that protection; it's just finding someone to add to it. The emotional mechanisms and experiences are also quite different. The former comes from a place of fear and anxiety while the latter comes from a place of neutrality and calmness. I'm just reading your original post as well - there is a tone of loneliness/aloneness and feeling that you have no support at all. I think having those thoughts are legitimate, and a good time to think of yourself for yourself! You are feeling unsupported by those around you - have they really been unsupportive? if they aren't all that great, maybe you need to be re-evaluating how you conduct your relationships and with whom? Working through all of these things is a form of self-protection as well because you are taking charge of your own life and social support networks. Being able to deal with this emotionally and cognitively will also help against projecting these desires in dating, because you're not outsourcing this desire for someone to fulfill. You are there for yourself and you are now equipped with awareness and knowledge on how to assess a potential partner for emotional availability, because you have practiced it on yourself and also evaluated others using those tools. Doing this does not mean that you magically stop being an exhausted worried weary working mum looking for a stable and supportive man - it just means that you're an exhausted worried weary working mum looking for a stable and supportive man in an aware and conscious fashion without projecting and outsourcing these issues to him!
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Post by nyc718 on Mar 23, 2020 18:51:59 GMT
Short answer, no, it's not healthy to look for anyone else to rescue, save , or make you feel complete or whole; that must come from yourself. And it's the work I've been doing for a long time, and recently really have been ramping up on and making good progress on, because I was tired of my old patterns and unhealthy ways of thinking that were no longer serving me. It's deep inner child work that needs to be healed. Until the deeper wounds are healed, you will always look to someone "else" to make you feel whole, but really, it's you that need to make yourself whole; anyone else will fall short and you will repeat the same relationships over and over with men in different bodies. One of the people who I have found very helpful is Aaron Doughty. He can be found on Facebook, Instagram, Youtube. I hope he resonates for people here too. Be well in this unprecedented time <3 So is wanting protection and safety the same as being rescued, saved, or complete? To long for someone who is the type who creates safety, provides, offers protection (I'm a single mom with a daughter). I'm not seeing those as synonymous. But that is also why I'm asking. I don't know! How would protection come from myself? I'm alone. I get no child support. I do everything alone. I raise my kid. I protect her and me and keep us safe. And I'd like someone to join me in those efforts and want the same for me and for themselves - But I agree, there is probably deeper inner child work to do here as well. I just can't tell if what I wrote above (second paragraph) is still unhealthy or healthy. Thanks for the recommendation. Will check him out. It's not easy for me to articulate exactly what I'm trying to say, but hopefully this is helpful and can guide you for your particular situation. This is yet another person I follow on Instagram. Be well💞 http://instagram.com/p/B9K5uUZnTZf
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Post by faithopelove on Mar 25, 2020 3:46:31 GMT
I am posting in this category although I don't fully know what "type" I am but I think anxious avoidant. I am realizing things lately given our circumstances. I like safety. I LOVE safety. I crave it. I love protection. And crave protection - and I crave that in someone else. If anyone knows the Enneagram, I am a classic 6. I've always been full of fear, worry, anxiety. This whole pandemic thing brought that out. I'm a single mom and I stockpiled and I did everything I could to secure safety and protection for my child and me. I am working around the clock to be sure I keep my income. I'm alone in this. And that part feels awful. My dad hasn't even asked if I'm okay. He's worried about himself. My mom helps take care of him. I emotionally support my sister - and her husband - at times. But who is there for me? I met a guy recently and I thought he fit the bill. But then when he told me he was glad his daughter's (in NYC) school stayed open (during all this), I felt really turned off. Whaaa? You're okay with your daughter being at school in the midst of this? And then he was like "What is the big deal?" Again turned me off. I realized I would want someone more like a family friend I know who is a provider type and ensured his family was safe and took heed, etc. And I can see why. I never had a dad who felt like he was protective of me. And I know I'm seeking that in a guy - really longing for that. But is that healthy? Even though I'm in my 40s, I still think about and long for a nuclear family where I get to be mom to my daughter (who needs me) instead of this exhausted working mom who has no time for her and is worried about money constantly - and having a man to provide and protect and support. And I'd support him in ways too (not saying it would be one way). But I can't tell if that's some unhealthy, codependent little-girl fantasy or what. Short answer, no, it's not healthy to look for anyone else to rescue, save , or make you feel complete or whole; that must come from yourself. And it's the work I've been doing for a long time, and recently really have been ramping up on and making good progress on, because I was tired of my old patterns and unhealthy ways of thinking that were no longer serving me. It's deep inner child work that needs to be healed. Until the deeper wounds are healed, you will always look to someone "else" to make you feel whole, but really, it's you that need to make yourself whole; anyone else will fall short and you will repeat the same relationships over and over with men in different bodies. One of the people who I have found very helpful is Aaron Doughty. He can be found on Facebook, Instagram, Youtube. I hope he resonates for people here too. Be well in this unprecedented time <3 seeking - It’s perfectly normal and natural for a woman to want to be with a man who makes her feel safe and protected. It’s one of women’s basic needs. (Who would want to be with a man who makes them feel unsafe or threatened?) Yes, there is a big difference between wanting a man who makes you feel safe vs wanting a man to rescue or save you. The latter is an unhealthy fairy tale; however, a safe, reliable and protective partner is one who comes from a secure and healthy place and has the potential to be a good partner.
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Post by nyc718 on Mar 26, 2020 2:08:57 GMT
Short answer, no, it's not healthy to look for anyone else to rescue, save , or make you feel complete or whole; that must come from yourself. And it's the work I've been doing for a long time, and recently really have been ramping up on and making good progress on, because I was tired of my old patterns and unhealthy ways of thinking that were no longer serving me. It's deep inner child work that needs to be healed. Until the deeper wounds are healed, you will always look to someone "else" to make you feel whole, but really, it's you that need to make yourself whole; anyone else will fall short and you will repeat the same relationships over and over with men in different bodies. One of the people who I have found very helpful is Aaron Doughty. He can be found on Facebook, Instagram, Youtube. I hope he resonates for people here too. Be well in this unprecedented time <3 seeking - It’s perfectly normal and natural for a woman to want to be with a man who makes her feel safe and protected. It’s one of women’s basic needs. (Who would want to be with a man who makes them feel unsafe or threatened?) Yes, there is a big difference between wanting a man who makes you feel safe vs wanting a man to rescue or save you. The latter is an unhealthy fairy tale; however, a safe, reliable and protective partner is one who comes from a secure and healthy place and has the potential to be a good partner. "Craving safety" in someone else is not healthy, imo. That puts a whole lot of responsibility on someone else. I understand we ALL want safety, but are we talking emotional safety or physical safety? Obviously we want someone to feel physically safe with, but if you "crave" emotional safety from someone else, that's coming from a really unhealthy place.
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