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Post by washingmyhair on May 11, 2020 9:14:17 GMT
washingmyhair, insecurely attached people also usually have control issues, and seeing romantic relationships as fantasy bonds instead of having a fully autonomous other person helps maintain an illusion of more control of their surroundings, which also makes them feel safer. Another reason he wanted to hang out at his place and not so much at yours, and why other aspects may have felt like a power struggle. He was struggling to maintain "perfection" in a way because it represents him feeling enough in control of his life. This makes a lot of sense. Thank you foe taking the time to explain it to me further.
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Post by mrob on May 11, 2020 12:08:16 GMT
Haha, sorry But you've chatted with me enough to know I've been on every side of this, including guilty too, so now I just call it like I see it Lol. And likewise. I like being challenged. The more it hurts, the more truth there likely is in it. That’s the opportunity to grow.
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Post by washingmyhair on May 12, 2020 17:00:54 GMT
Is it abnormal for me to somehow feel some anger after learning more about how FA attachment works and realizing that so much wasn’t what it seemed? Logically, I know this wasn’t on purpose and. I assume all he knows. Yet with the info given here, it kinda makes me feel like he didn’t view me as an autonomous equal in this relationship, so that makes me feel violated almost. I am trying not to be angry at him, but about the nature what things really were vs what I assumed.
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Post by dhali on May 12, 2020 17:22:19 GMT
I get it washing. I do, but chances are he is unaware. I feel the one area that you’re really entitled to be upset is around lying. Or well, rather leading on. The mind of the FA is that they put you up in a pedestal. That’s the fantasy bond. And then you get taken off. But you don’t know it. They don’t speak to you about it and don’t communicate with you about it. Mainly because they are trying to figure out what the hell is going on with them. And before you know it, in their mind you’re not compatible anymore. Goodbye. Over and over and over again in their life. Never really occurring to them that they are the problem. I mean I considered it, but I’m a good guy. How am I the issue? Especially since I’m the one who does most of the breaking up? I just haven’t found the one yet. So the pattern repeats. Never in a million years did I realize the level of self sabatoge I threw at all of my relationships. My poor ex wife. She’s a saint.
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Post by tnr9 on May 12, 2020 17:24:24 GMT
Is it abnormal for me to somehow feel some anger after learning more about how FA attachment works and realizing that so much wasn’t what it seemed? Logically, I know this wasn’t on purpose and. I assume all he knows. Yet with the info given here, it kinda makes me feel like he didn’t view me as an autonomous equal in this relationship, so that makes me feel violated almost. I am trying not to be angry at him, but about the nature what things really were vs what I assumed. Soooo...I get it....the anger, as it relates to grieving.....but if you stay stuck on what you see as issues only on his side...it will rob you of looking at your own role in this story. At this point, there is nothing that can be done about him...but there is an opportunity to see where you may have ignored warning signs, hoped that he would change, did not speak up for yourself etc. Those are the takeaways really. 🙂
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Post by washingmyhair on May 12, 2020 17:59:27 GMT
Is it abnormal for me to somehow feel some anger after learning more about how FA attachment works and realizing that so much wasn’t what it seemed? Logically, I know this wasn’t on purpose and. I assume all he knows. Yet with the info given here, it kinda makes me feel like he didn’t view me as an autonomous equal in this relationship, so that makes me feel violated almost. I am trying not to be angry at him, but about the nature what things really were vs what I assumed. Soooo...I get it....the anger, as it relates to grieving.....but if you stay stuck on what you see as issues only on his side...it will rob you of looking at your own role in this story. At this point, there is nothing that can be done about him...but there is an opportunity to see where you may have ignored warning signs, hoped that he would change, did not speak up for yourself etc. Those are the takeaways really. 🙂 Of course I understand that. And if course I am kicking myself for my part. Very much so, but I'm not going to blame myself for his actions though. I had no clue that where he was coming from was from a completely different mindset that mine. The last discussion was very recent and felt very out of field to me. I’m still processing things so that I can to move past it fully. I find that I tend to approach many things from a contextual perspective when working through them. None of this means that I am seeking to change the past or change him. That was never my goal here.
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Post by alexandra on May 12, 2020 21:07:59 GMT
washingmyhair, anger is normal. I think it's very understandable that you're angry that he dumped his feelings on you when you're married and have your own life, and him doing things in this manner isn't considerate to you and how you feel at all. I had a friend who I went out with on a few dates (nothing physical even happened) and I decided we weren't compatible but he's a nice guy and we'd stay friends. He blindsided me a long time later that he still wanted to date in spite of my being very clear and consistent in my boundaries, taking care not to lead him on at ALL, and it made me angry and feel distrustful in response. That our friendship wasn't what I thought and he was waiting me out until I'd changed my mind about dating him. My situation wasn't nearly as long, invested, or volatile as yours, yet I was angry anyway. And I know he means well, he just has his own stuff and got stuck I guess. I'm not mad anymore, but we're not really friends anymore either because I still feel uncomfortable. But it doesn't take away from the nice friendship times we had, and we did some very fun activities together. After your anger subsides, you can take into consideration that he didn't do anything on purpose and wanted to believe in the things he said and did and the relationship you had. He's just wired differently than you, and that happening to him initially in life wasn't his fault. It doesn't minimize the relationship you had, but it reveals how incompatible you are and that you made the right choice in moving on. To dhali 's point, when you're ready, it is a compassionate approach to forgive in your own mind due to the knowledge that having an insecure attachment style, and especially FA because you've got the most difficult of all worlds (don't trust others or self, instead of trusting at least one), is really painful and difficult to live day to day. He's not a happy person. That doesn't mean you need to tolerate his poor behavior or owe him anything, but understanding attachment theory eventually helps one to let go with love and accept the other person got a bad start which isn't their fault -- though it's their responsibility as an adult to make the choice to address their own issues if they ever become aware of them.
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Post by washingmyhair on May 17, 2020 17:19:03 GMT
washingmyhair, anger is normal. I think it's very understandable that you're angry that he dumped his feelings on you when you're married and have your own life, and him doing things in this manner isn't considerate to you and how you feel at all. I had a friend who I went out with on a few dates (nothing physical even happened) and I decided we weren't compatible but he's a nice guy and we'd stay friends. He blindsided me a long time later that he still wanted to date in spite of my being very clear and consistent in my boundaries, taking care not to lead him on at ALL, and it made me angry and feel distrustful in response. That our friendship wasn't what I thought and he was waiting me out until I'd changed my mind about dating him. My situation wasn't nearly as long, invested, or volatile as yours, yet I was angry anyway. And I know he means well, he just has his own stuff and got stuck I guess. I'm not mad anymore, but we're not really friends anymore either because I still feel uncomfortable. But it doesn't take away from the nice friendship times we had, and we did some very fun activities together. After your anger subsides, you can take into consideration that he didn't do anything on purpose and wanted to believe in the things he said and did and the relationship you had. He's just wired differently than you, and that happening to him initially in life wasn't his fault. It doesn't minimize the relationship you had, but it reveals how incompatible you are and that you made the right choice in moving on. To dhali 's point, when you're ready, it is a compassionate approach to forgive in your own mind due to the knowledge that having an insecure attachment style, and especially FA because you've got the most difficult of all worlds (don't trust others or self, instead of trusting at least one), is really painful and difficult to live day to day. He's not a happy person. That doesn't mean you need to tolerate his poor behavior or owe him anything, but understanding attachment theory eventually helps one to let go with love and accept the other person got a bad start which isn't their fault -- though it's their responsibility as an adult to make the choice to address their own issues if they ever become aware of them. Replying several days later, but wanted to say that there will likely still be a twinge of anger here and there, but I have come to find a lot more forgiveness and compassion for him and over the situation. Understanding his internal struggle puts the puzzle pieces in place. I am sure that a lot of it had to do with the fact that we are many years out of our relationship and that when we were together, the relationship was actually pretty good when considering all he is dealing with. I understand that with attachment, it’s all on a spectrum, but whatever level of difficulty he is feeling, I hope he also finds peace within. Thanks!
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Post by AM on May 17, 2020 23:27:15 GMT
I am new to these forums, though not attachment theory, and I couldn't help but have another perspective and train of thought, which is your, Washingmyhair, current marriage, and not actually the trap of past Anxious/Avoidant unending dramas. As a Secure attachment, there is a royal inner circle of loyalty, trust, responsiveness, and reciprocity of closeness which is mutual vulnerability. In other words, there is no room for 'keeping in touch' with ex's, past lover's or loves, unless there are mutual children involved where contact is required and beneficial. Insecure attachment distorts rather than clarifies past relationships, and there is no room inside the royal inner circle of loving well for them to have an impact. Life goes on and for a Secure, the royal inner circle, 'other's, phantom ex's, old lovers' etc. fall away from 'view' along with those attachments, especially 20 year old attachments. The fact this post exists, along with it's content of connecting with an other, a past love, in this manner and having the degree of angst regarding it, is a big red flag in and of itself, and the Insecure response (anger, confusion, even remote interest in a past love's reasoning, etc) speaks to an Anxious attachment style, regardless of testing outcomes.
Knowing all the right answers for Secure attachment is far from living and being all the right answers for authentic Secure attachment functioning. Attachment is a spectrum, rather than a dot on a map, but a belief system and foundational neural structure within our brain. All of us may well have some traits or characteristics from all of the attachment styles, however our go-to, what beliefs we default to when we are triggered (Email from 20 years past ex professing 'love') is where we function within the spectrum, of which awareness and insight can precede personal growth! Innate personality, character, environments and experiences that create and maintain neural networks within our brains, etc. are all superimposed upon our attachment foundation to create our unique personal story and perspectives. A Secure is curious and open to others perspectives and narratives, regardless of how different they may be from their own.
I wish you the closure and peace you seek in getting the rearview mirror unstuck from your forehead!
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Post by alexandra on May 18, 2020 0:25:22 GMT
I respectfully disagree with this perspective. Being friendly with exes doesn't automatically reflect insecure attachment. She didn't have frequent contact with him over the years, and she's feeling angst now because he blindsided her yet again. She didn't express interest in continuing an anxious/avoidant dance (plus left him in the first place when he was too distant to meet her needs), she posted about understanding what's going on because she hasn't experienced a situation like this before. She asked him to stop emotionally dumping on her before he poured his whole heart out, trying to keep reasonable platonic boundaries, and she hasn't said anything about continuing to engage at a heightened level since learning this or upending her marriage.
Insecurely attached people can push secures either anxious or avoidant when the secure is unaware and confused about the behavior. It doesn't mean the OP has an insecure attachment style just because she is being temporarily triggered. Responding with doubting herself, rumination, obsession, trying to reconnect with him, looking for his validation, doubling down on him, that would be an anxious attachment response. That's not what's going on here.
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