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Post by AM on May 24, 2020 22:01:06 GMT
Actually caroline1218 the 'no contact' tool your therapist offered or suggested to you is likely the best strategy for you. The closer you get to an Avoidant the harder it is on them and on you. Giving yourself the space and time you need with your therapist to heal whatever within yourself that needs to shift would be a life changing strategy. Try just doing you for a while and you may find one Secure day there is no more draw to the Avoidant dynamic I agree with Serenity, that there is a point, a grey area where hope morphs into foolishness of investing emotion, time, effort into a dynamic of lose-lose outcomes. There is no judgment from me, only reality, been there, done that, and just sharing wisdom gained from experiences.
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Post by alice on May 26, 2020 20:05:51 GMT
caroIt's possible that he does like you but can't give you what you (or anyone wanting anything serious or stable) needs. When that's the case, I'm guessing you think "I'm strong enough, I can do this." And maybe you feel like a failure if you walk away. But no one is weak for walking away from something like this. In fact, they are very strong. It would be outside of your patterns to walk. And it's not because you hate him or that he is using you (I don't know enough about your situation to really know this but this is one perspective) but it's that you look in the mirror and tell yourself you deserve a better partner and that you are not responsible to be there for him at the expense of your own sanity and emotional state. Either way, it seems like you're working through a lot, and these things are really hard.
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Post by alice on May 27, 2020 5:42:48 GMT
That's probably true — he can't give me or anyone else that stability because he doesn't have it himself. He's made it clear that his own head/life isn't consistent and that he struggles with that. I oddly don't feel weak for walking away, I would feel strong... but I think the thing is I really like him and I've seen so much progression that it's hard that it feels like things have slide back since I was "criticizing" a couple of weeks ago, but then he's also made a stride or two to hang out since. I think one of the biggest pieces here is that I didn't set firm boundaries, I didn't communicate them well, etc... and that's now making it extra hard. My friend suggested tonight that I take some space and communicate that I didn't set firm boundaries but that I need to etc. And yes, therapy is so hard. Sometimes I feel like it's making me more "broken" and therefore am I just going backwards? Healing does not occur in a straight line. Think of a drug addict who goes through withdrawal. Or any form of detoxing. Distractions from your problems always make you feel good, but then you need more distractions and not getting to the root of your issues have long lasting consequences (for instance, not able to hold down a good secure relationship). What you are describing in feeling more broken is common. Most people run from this feeling, you are going back to face it and fix it. It takes time. I have been posting about feeling bad about something from years ago that I was way past and it's opened back up, and I have no idea what this is. I'm wondering if I need more healing? Or that I just need to nix the origin of the pain (a person). I would maybe keep a diary of your progress. Maybe your therapist has some ideas for this. I find looking to facts to be helpful when I'm emotional because there are many instances where are emotions are not a true barometer of health and progress. Maybe you did do some things wrong, but keep in mind you are one of two in this relationship. The thing is, you will make mistakes throughout your life. If you have to walk on eggshells blaming yourself for the rest of your life every time he reacts or is triggered or has his own stuff going on, that will be a long painful experience. There is so much peace in a guy who lets things you may do that may be annoying just roll off his back. I think that's an important quality. That's nice that he is moving ahead, but is his pace in step with yours? And maybe it is, but if you are jogging and he is meandering, you are going to be very far away from each other eventually.
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Post by mixedsyles on May 27, 2020 11:14:43 GMT
What do you mean? In what way? What is “hanging out” for you? mrob — Like meeting up in person — in any fashion. Any time of day or activity. The only activity that FA seems semi-comfortable with is seeing movies/plays — which clearly there's less interaction and now that isn't an option. I can just speak for myself and I am not even sure if it is a FA thing. When I come home from work I´m very tried. I go to the gym and later I just want to chill. I love spending time with my partner but I prefer to do something who doesn`t take to much energy like making dinner or watching a movie. It was nice to have my partner close to me in the couch even if we are not doing the same thing. Him reading a book and me listening to music. On my days off it can be fun to go out and do something, but I have not against staying home either. I love the feeling of "it´s my day off and I don´t need to do anything I don´t want to". I don´t crave my partner to do a lot of stuff with me. I like doing activities that makes my partner happy but I don´t want to feel like I am obligated to do that every time they want my company.
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Post by nyc718 on Jun 9, 2020 3:47:31 GMT
So a little update from the past couple of weeks. A couple of weeks ago I asked him if he wanted to meet up that weekend, he suggested an activity the following day (for daytime) but when I followed up early afternoon he didn’t respond then responded something random later that night. The next day he texted me that he was going to grab coffee by my house, a non-invite of course, and I really wanted him just to make the direct invite. I eventually said did you want us to say hi, and then he came back 15 min later saying his phone dropped out. He seemed too scared to follow through to make it happen. I just left it. I wasn’t going to push. The next night we were chatting he didn’t respond to me when I was trying to clarify something stupid he said. It triggered me very anxious given I took subject matter wrong way etc. Long story but it really got me in a loop because of my stuff. He reached out a night or so later about something random. I just couldn’t go back to normal conversation. The next morning I said “I don’t want to ignore you, but I don’t think it’s authentic for me to have regular conversation at this moment. I really like you. I want us to work. I just need a little space to work through some stuff.” Friday night I get a text from him that he ran into a mutual acquaintance. Saturday my friend (who lives with such acquaintance) let’s me know FA brought me up immediately, said my dog sleeps on his feet, etc. like totally making it clear we were together and kind of “staking claim” (not that he needed to as acquaintance is not into women and other friend with him is just a female acquaintance of mine FA didn’t know prior). The next day FA was involved in an incident, which he posted on social but I didn’t see because I was also taking a break from that. My friend who lives with mutual acquaintance let me know and I called FA to see if he was ok etc. Couple of days later I thanked him for understanding my need for space, told him I wanted to explain but now just didn’t seem like the time (with everything going on in the world). I said it’s been especially hard not talking/seeing him in times like these. I then invited him to attend something later that day where I was going with friends. He didn’t respond, and I wasn’t too offended because I knew I had been confusing and he might be hurt / need to process. Next day he texted to hang out, and we finally met up. It was really good to see him, I felt (as I always do) really comfortable, confident, etc with him. We only hugged and didn’t spent the night as we both were still waiting for covid tests and wanted to be safe. But I think a slow ease into might have been good. Connection is still there, and we’ve been texting since. More so right after than the past two days. I know that I have to address my needs for consistent quality time when we have longer in person, but I guess I’m also trying to realize and reign in my part in all of this (which short space was helpful to see). Also I would like us to talk a little more consistently as well. I’ve never truly been clear and direct about this / frequency and it feels so controlling/demanding to say something like “I want to hang out once a week” but I’m guessing directness is what I need to do. So I don’t know, that’s where things are. I think I get why hanging out is so hard but I still have a really hard time understanding why he was so good about communication for months mostly then has more recently not been great about responding to some things. Even if just like three stupid things and then blowing off two mentions of hangout (that was in April). Caroline, I mean this with all due respect, but how do you expect to get over your "stuff" if you stay in a situation where you are continually triggered? It's like trying to stop drinking but hanging out at a bar. I don't mean to sound mean or harsh, but it seems so counter-productive, especially since he is not in any way aware to do any work on his own. I am about 7 months or so from my last breakup and I have done nothing but focus on my own healing, and I am a very different person. I can see so clearly all the missteps I took, while also understanding why I took them at the time. I can see so clearly avoidant behavior in men and it is literally a turn off for me. I am no longer attracted to that kind of unavailability. My system cannot go back to that unhealthy kind of insecure relationship, and I am in no rush to be in one, I know it's going to happen in due time. I feel like you've been on this hamster wheel for a long, long time and nothing has changed. It doesn't seem worse, but it doesn't seem like it's better either. You seem to know it's not healthy to feel so insecure in a relationship after all this time, yet this man cannot give you what you need and he's on no path to change. I'm not clear on why you think though that you can become secure while with someone who is not at all conducive to that healing.
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Post by alice on Jun 9, 2020 5:53:09 GMT
Caroline, I mean this with all due respect, but how do you expect to get over your "stuff" if you stay in a situation where you are continually triggered? It's like trying to stop drinking but hanging out at a bar. I don't mean to sound mean or harsh, but it seems so counter-productive, especially since he is not in any way aware to do any work on his own. I am about 7 months or so from my last breakup and I have done nothing but focus on my own healing, and I am a very different person. I can see so clearly all the missteps I took, while also understanding why I took them at the time. I can see so clearly avoidant behavior in men and it is literally a turn off for me. I am no longer attracted to that kind of unavailability. My system cannot go back to that unhealthy kind of insecure relationship, and I am in no rush to be in one, I know it's going to happen in due time. I feel like you've been on this hamster wheel for a long, long time and nothing has changed. It doesn't seem worse, but it doesn't seem like it's better either. You seem to know it's not healthy to feel so insecure in a relationship after all this time, yet this man cannot give you what you need and he's on no path to change. I'm not clear on why you think though that you can become secure while with someone who is not at all conducive to that healing. Thank you for posting this. That attachment is a bitch. Years ago, I had an ongoing thing where I was constantly triggered for a year and a half. Before that, it was with someone else for a year. After those experiences, I paused to get myself together. I had another more recently, and I cut that thing off. I gave it a month once he started triggering me. Those long periods of time in anxiety REALLY really hurt me and only made my emotional well being worse. I think actually more of my attachment issues stem from those relationships than childhood matters, though that has a role also. I notice the effort put into figuring out how the other person is feeling really takes away from my own healing. What kinds of things have you done to focus on your healing?
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Post by nyc718 on Jun 9, 2020 17:47:55 GMT
Caroline, I mean this with all due respect, but how do you expect to get over your "stuff" if you stay in a situation where you are continually triggered? It's like trying to stop drinking but hanging out at a bar. I don't mean to sound mean or harsh, but it seems so counter-productive, especially since he is not in any way aware to do any work on his own. I am about 7 months or so from my last breakup and I have done nothing but focus on my own healing, and I am a very different person. I can see so clearly all the missteps I took, while also understanding why I took them at the time. I can see so clearly avoidant behavior in men and it is literally a turn off for me. I am no longer attracted to that kind of unavailability. My system cannot go back to that unhealthy kind of insecure relationship, and I am in no rush to be in one, I know it's going to happen in due time. I feel like you've been on this hamster wheel for a long, long time and nothing has changed. It doesn't seem worse, but it doesn't seem like it's better either. You seem to know it's not healthy to feel so insecure in a relationship after all this time, yet this man cannot give you what you need and he's on no path to change. I'm not clear on why you think though that you can become secure while with someone who is not at all conducive to that healing. Thank you for posting this. That attachment is a bitch. Years ago, I had an ongoing thing where I was constantly triggered for a year and a half. Before that, it was with someone else for a year. After those experiences, I paused to get myself together. I had another more recently, and I cut that thing off. I gave it a month once he started triggering me. Those long periods of time in anxiety REALLY really hurt me and only made my emotional well being worse. I think actually more of my attachment issues stem from those relationships than childhood matters, though that has a role also. I notice the effort put into figuring out how the other person is feeling really takes away from my own healing. What kinds of things have you done to focus on your healing? Yes, attachment is not healthy, and I am determined to never be in another imbalanced and unhealthy relationship. I have to admit that reading some of the posts in this forum are triggering to me, but in a good way in that I can't go back to that again, ever. My personal work started with hypnotherapy into inner child healing work. It wasn't so obvious to me at first that it had helped, it was my long-time therapist who mentioned that she was noticing a difference in me. I went on to do more hypnotherapy sessions, three in total. From there, I ended up at a Reiki/Shamanic Inner Child Healing workshop, completely on a whim. I liked the sound of the Inner Child since I had done the hypnotherapy on that, so I decided to check this out, and that ended up being completely transformative. I walked out of there what I call the beginning of a different person. Something was lifted off of me that night, and my body was physically reacting. I later realized what was happening was that the energy from the Reiki was moving the stagnant energy in my body and was starting to rebalance the energy. Negative emotions and experiences from childhood and throughout life are stored as energy in our body and can literally leave us stuck and unable to move on from things, such as attachment. That night and the next few days I could feel my body still reacting from that Reiki workshop, and also the pain and grief I had been dealing with the break up with my FA ex was greatly lifted. My sleep got better, my mind was freer, my thoughts were starting to liberate from the pain of the breakup. The next few months I did more private sessions with that same Reiki practitioner who is also a holistic counselor (I'd be happy to share her info, she does remote sessions) and I dropped my long time therapist who was no longer serving me. I think talk therapy definitely has it's place, but what I needed was energy body work, and for the talk therapy to be less clinical and more holistic based. (I will go into different healing modalities that I've learned about on my journey a little later.) I did weekly sessions for about two months or so, then I cut down to bi weekly, and I am now at an as needed basis. It was pricey, but I saw it as an investment into myself and my self care to wellness. Best money spent. If I can be a better person overall, then everyone around me benefits. I have also done some other energy work, Qi Gong specifically, and breath work. Those are both also energy healing modalities and I know those were helpful, though not as profound as the Reiki was for me. But for my friend, Qi Gong is what keeps her afloat, and for others, breath work is what works for them. For others, therapy with a therapist who is Trauma-informed and who know about attachment issues. My talk therapist was not familiar enough with attachment issues and therefore was of little use to me with that very important issue that I needed help with. Not all therapists are alike or helpful. Everyone has to find the right healing modality and therapist that works for them, and for me, it's Reiki, so much so that I am going to learn it so I can help others the same way it has helped me and given me back my life. I used to scoff at energy type of work, but I don't anymore! It has literally freed me from my attachment to my ex FA, and I am confident that that was my last unhealthy relationship. I can see that there were SO many red flags that I overlooked and/or chose to ignore, but that was the old me. The new me is no longer trying to prove to or show anyone that they or I am good enough; I know I am good enough, and I need them to also be emotionally healthy and know that they also are good enough. I don't need anyone to be perfect, there is no such thing, I just need someone who is aware and actively engaged in their own healing, as am I, so we can be aware of whatever comes up and work on them together. We all have basic needs of wanting to be loved, seen, heard, and connected with, and we all deserve those basic things, but obviously we aren't all able to receive or give those easily because of deeper wounding. Unless we heal ourselves FIRST, we cannot be in a position to accept a healthy relationship when it's presented.
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