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Post by seeking on Feb 19, 2023 15:15:04 GMT
Any chance anyone has watched this? The characters are SO interesting to me - and triggering, lol. I would love any thoughts - explore this. But I know it's not the most popular show.
Also Anne with an E on PBS. (But only one character there.)
Just curious --
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Post by iz42 on Feb 19, 2023 20:48:12 GMT
Any chance anyone has watched this? The characters are SO interesting to me - and triggering, lol. I would love any thoughts - explore this. But I know it's not the most popular show. Also Anne with an E on PBS. (But only one character there.) Just curious -- I've watched it. Would be curious to hear which characters you found triggering. I didn't experience it that way but it's been a while since I saw it.
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Post by seeking on Feb 19, 2023 21:12:26 GMT
I've watched it. Would be curious to hear which characters you found triggering. I didn't experience it that way but it's been a while since I saw it. Which one - All Creatures or Anne? I guess triggering isn't the right word - maybe *very uncomfortable* is more like it!
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Post by iz42 on Feb 20, 2023 3:28:28 GMT
I’ve seen both shows. But I remember All Creatures more clearly. I really enjoyed it! The countryside is beautiful.
I don't remember all of their names but I can see how Siegfried's character could be a bit triggering.
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Post by seeking on Feb 20, 2023 21:03:50 GMT
I’ve seen both shows. But I remember All Creatures more clearly. I really enjoyed it! The countryside is beautiful. I don't remember all of their names but I can see how Siegfried's character could be a bit triggering. That's cool - on a side note, wondering if you might have any recommendations, then, since my daughter (13) and I love both of these. Anne with an E had parts she couldn't watch (the flashbacks, some more of the violence) but All Creatures is fine - she's highly sensitive. But even she noticed that all these people have relationship issues - haha! That's what I meant by "triggering" - I think they are frustrating my more AP parts! Without spoiling anything - we are only on Season 2 - yiikes! Everytime a character -- Tristan, Siegfried, James, even Miss Hall encounters someone they like, they sabotage it or run away or act not interested <--- that's mostly the part I was calling triggering. I don't know if it's more b/c I identify with that and it's a little painful or other people have done that to me. And SPOILER ALERT
I can see James was trying to be a gentleman with Helen - esp considering she's betrothed and all - but even after she calls things off, he still doesn't seem to step forward and it's frustrating. Siegfried and Dorothy have CLEAR chemistry - and then he goes and starts dating someone else?! I get that it's a show - but they seem to be doing a great job at creating a lot of FA characters, lol.
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Post by tnr9 on Feb 20, 2023 22:30:37 GMT
Most shows and movies are filled with insecurely attached characters and impossible relationships.
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Post by mrob on Feb 20, 2023 22:33:54 GMT
Agreed tnr9 The “drama” genre.
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Post by seeking on Feb 20, 2023 23:37:07 GMT
OMG - you're right! I hadn't thought of that. I'll admit, I've not ever owned a TV - my whole life! I used to watch only foreign films (though talk about drama) and documentaries. And I watched 2 series - one when I was pregnant - Northern Lights - and one when I was nursing/not sleeping (the Bachelor) - lol. Two!
Flash forward, and these are the second 2 series I've watched.
Not that I live in a cave. But duh - it just occurred to me that dramas about secure attachment would maybe be boring? Haha. that's not a very informed statement. I don't think they would be. But of course!
It's literally insanely frustrating for me to watch - apparently my daughter too. But maybe that's the point? I don't enjoy it. I find it unsettling and a little painful.
In All Creatures, these are good wholesome characters. Some of it is their own awkwardness and insecurity or discomfort - but wow is it frustrating. I am sitting there going, Just say it! Just tell her!
So interesting.
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Post by tnr9 on Feb 21, 2023 0:07:43 GMT
It is why I don’t watch romantic movies….but it is in all forms of entertainment.
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Post by seeking on Feb 21, 2023 0:20:13 GMT
It is why I don’t watch romantic movies….but it is in all forms of entertainment. Why? Meaning for the same reasons I stated? It's stressful?
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Post by alexandra on Feb 21, 2023 0:34:52 GMT
"Secure" drama has to be driven by external events and not by relationship miscommunication. You can still make that interesting, but you need a very interesting backdrop to build the story against, which can be more challenging to write.
But I think part of the focus on insecure characters is related to who the writers actually are. If you look into the background of (not all but) a lot of Hollywood families (and having multiple generations of the same family stay in the business is pretty common), they often have pretty chaotic personal backgrounds. Wikipedia is always interesting for seeing golden age Hollywood actors just getting married 5 times throughout their lives, battling with addictions (likely self-medicating), having lots of kids with half siblings navigating divorce and blended families and step-families who then go into the business too. And it's not limited to acting, it's writers, it's producers, it's a lot of creatives. And it's part of why they're drawn to the entertainment industry, they write or act out what they know or what they're trying to work out in their own lives, often they're seeking validation, and it all seems very normalized to them with lots of others in that space experiencing similar dynamics and dysfunction.
This results in good entertainment for people who like the intrigue and understand these character relationships full of fear and bad communication are not actually healthy or good to emulate. But the trap for the unaware insecure viewer is not knowing that, since it makes dysfunction seem more normal, and then potentially idealizing toxicity even further in the case of romantic movies.
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Post by alexandra on Feb 21, 2023 0:40:13 GMT
seeking, this is not a recommendation for your daughter as it is not kid-appropriate, but if one of the two shows you've watched is the Bachelor, you should check out the first season of the scripted show UnReal. It goes behind the scenes into how messed up the producers are on a personal level, and their manipulation of the contestants. It's an incredibly well written, yet trashy, season of drama that actually won a Peabody award! It was based on the experience of a producer who had a mental breakdown after several seasons and left the show, this was kind of her tell-all about behind the scenes. But it'll definitely have triggering moments... A much more wholesome recommendation would be Parks and Recreation. The first few episodes are terrible, but then if you stick with it, it gets really good and funny and endearing. There's some insecurity, but it is more a team of coworkers fighting external silliness than driven by relationship drama.
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Post by anne12 on Feb 21, 2023 1:38:41 GMT
seeking There are movies, Series representing some secure attatcment or how to deal with things in a secure way Parenthood (recommended by Diana Poole Heller) Lion The bonus family (based on bonus families struggles in Sweden) - one of the children has got adhd and also his dad but all of them are challenged in their second marriage or as singles and you watch how they navigate through their challenges (it is on Netflix in most countries) There are more …but I can’t remember right now
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Post by mrob on Feb 21, 2023 2:51:44 GMT
It’s not everyone’s thing, but Foyle’s War looks at the results of insecure relationships in a very English way, where the main character hasn’t processed his own grief. The writing is fascinating, and it’s neither crazy nor fast like most modern shows.
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Post by seeking on Feb 21, 2023 2:58:01 GMT
We've generally been appreciating 19th century/turn of the century and the English! And the concept of courting.
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