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Post by anne12 on Apr 20, 2023 12:54:42 GMT
Hi @dearlover Great to see you on the board š My first thought is , that a man who is on a mission, has got tunnel vision The same if a man is stressed and occupied with work ect. This has been my own experience with men
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Post by alexandra on Apr 20, 2023 19:23:30 GMT
Going on another date with someone else and keeping busy is good. While I understand your excitement to feel a rare spark with someone right away, you don't know him yet at all. Which doesn't mean being hypervigilant about love bombing or getting overly-invested in potential, it means slowly getting to know over time who he really is and making sure he's totally consistent. APs tend to fill in the knowledge gaps about people they like and are attracted to with positive and idealized fantasy traits instead of waiting until the person shows who they really are. AP also tend to feel sparks with people who activate their attachment systems and nervous systems ie people who subconsciously remind them of past dynamics with people who wounded them (that's why so many are attracted to avoidants or inconsistent people such as love bombers). The overwhelmed nervous system gets all excited and it's interpreted as attraction but tends to really be a form of anxiety (it personally took me many years of experiencing this over and over to figure it out!). So, do what you can to stay grounded in yourself, connected to yourself, and present. Be curious about him and who he is, there's nothing wrong with being excited about a potentially good connection, but as an AP keep the pacing slow, see him for who he really is rather than who you hope he'll be, and be open to just exploring the connection one date at a time for a while. If he is shooting off warning flags, you'll likely feel them in your gut, so don't ignore any off feelings you have or inconsistencies. That's a better approach than being hypervigilant for threats or either overly trustful or overly distrustful without having reason for either yet. I'm a little skeptical about him flashing his wealth at you, telling you to Google him, then going away immediately, as this is still a stranger you've just met online. Why is he trying so hard to prove something about his money, and it being real? The one thing to keep in mind at the very beginning in a situation that feels like a whirlwind like that is, if he starts asking you for money, telling you outlandish stories, and is otherwise too good to be true until something shifts, he may be a scammer. Hopefully it doesn't come to that at all, but my instinct from your post says the emphasis on money so early is a bit weird. Good luck, hopefully your next dates both with him and with the other guy go well! Make sure, no matter how excited you get about either of them, you don't abandon yourself and your own needs in the process, and you'll do fine being yourself
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Post by tnr9 on Apr 20, 2023 21:02:27 GMT
Great advice as always alexandra ā¦.and I might resemble some of those AP remarks you made. š. I too find the $$$ and the Google thing interestingā¦.reminded me of the tinder swindler story on Netflix, but hoping this guy is just being brash. I give you huge kudos @dearlover for actually getting out thereā¦.I still am avoiding online datingā¦.but I am open to meeting someone organically (like that is going to happen any time soon).
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Post by alexandra on Apr 20, 2023 21:40:13 GMT
I too find the $$$ and the Google thing interestingā¦.reminded me of the tinder swindler story on Netflix, but hoping this guy is just being brash. Not going to lie, that documentary crossed my mind too, lol! But it's also odd because a lot of times wealthier people aren't overt about it right away with online dating because they're paranoid about "gold-diggers." So then if someone is very flashy but it's not actually sketchy, do they believe on some level that money is all they have to offer?
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Post by alexandra on Apr 21, 2023 9:34:54 GMT
Ah okay, that's different, he shouldn't be a financial scam artist then. But still keep things slow in terms of the emotional relationship developing, and make sure you're staying on the same page as each other. It sounds like he may like the idea of a sugar daddy situation and it's potentially unclear if he'll want more later on, while you're hoping it can eventually grow into a relationship? Whatever you both want to do, whether that's traditional dating or another arrangement, is fine as long as you're both on the same page. Just check in with yourself and be honest with yourself about your feelings as you go along, and honest about if you're in a situation that's heading in the right direction for you (as opposed to being with someone who wants something different than you do and trying to pretzel yourself to accommodate it out of both emotional attachment and fear of abandonment -- APs are at risk for doing this and pushing down their own needs in the process!).
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Post by tnr9 on Apr 21, 2023 12:05:10 GMT
Yes and yes and that is why I'm here - will not lose myself again. I'm still trying to figure out his attachment style though. He has been married and divorced twice (like me) and has teenage children (I have one teen too). He says the physical closeness is important to him and hates not cuddling or sleeping together after sex and this is not the experience I've had with my previous DAs or FAs. I don't think he is AP but I'm not sure he is secure either. Or I wonder if he is AP gone or going secure - he did briefly mention parents / mother being emotionally absent. We will see. I will keep checking here. So grateful for this space. Thanks! ps - having some sort of arrangement will definitely keep me in check, everything black and white, no guessing games - he is very direct which makes me feel safe so far Honestlyā¦.I think focusing on himā¦ie, what his attachment style isā¦is a very AP way of trying to figure out how to fit into another personās life. I have done that too, but am trying to just note traits of others and how those traits make me feel. My secure friends who date do thisā¦..they talk about traits of the other person and whether those traits align with theirsā¦.but they donāt try to āfigure a person outāā¦.they go more day by day in a curious mode but do more self check ins. I believe this also keeps them groundedā¦.because they arenāt ālookingā for any particular behavior patterns. Over time, if there is an insecure attachment historyā¦.it will be revealed by his behaviorsā¦.but I would chill on that for now. šš
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Post by mysteryuser on Apr 25, 2023 13:05:38 GMT
I have noticed that part of my longing is me wanting to escape. As my life is pretty crap at the moment at home and at work, being with him would be relief and fun. But I donāt ever want to put my wellbeing on other personās hand. What I've realized is that it isn't the person bringing me joy in an otherwise drab life that makes me anxious. The more I understand APs in general and how they find a primary attachment figure to feel safe in ways they didn't in their childhood, the easier it is for me to see the person as just another person. I've found myself getting anxious about I barely even know -- that has NOTHING to do with the person, and EVERYTHING to do with my APness.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2023 18:08:28 GMT
So the date with the other guy on Friday was not good. So many red flags (I would have missed them all in the past) I was completely turned off - but still interesting being with someone and see clearly how a dysfunctional dynamic plays out. On Saturday, AB and I texted a lot. He is still abroad but said he is looking forward to seeing me again. I was reassured and happy for a couple of days but now I feel anxiety creeping up again. I still donāt know the day of our next date, I suspect it will still be this month. He didnāt tell me when he is coming back and I will not ask - everything is so new. I have noticed that part of my longing is me wanting to escape. As my life is pretty crap at the moment at home and at work, being with him would be relief and fun. But I donāt ever want to put my wellbeing on other personās hand. Why won't you ask him when he is returning? Dating should be a joint effort, your time is as valuable as his, and its completely reasonable to have a time frame in mind if he is suggesting another date. Holding back, waiting on his declarations, and living in anxiety about "when" doesn't seem healthy to me, especially since "when" is so easily addressed with a direct question and honest response. Communication is key. Even when it's new. Without communication a lot of unneccesary drama plays out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2023 20:32:32 GMT
True I donāt ask - maybe fear of turning him off / being too eager / get rejectedā¦APās fear Thank you I will do it by latest by Friday We texted a bit today - his turn to respond next - I want to subtly incorporate on a text conversation rather than just ask. We are not dating, just spent time together 2x testing the waters and that is why I feel weird about asking. I understand, but even without establishing a dating relationship yet... he's indicating that he'd like to see you again and that will require planning at some point. Insecure dynamics thrive in ambiguity. You don't have to nail him down to a day and time but it's certainly within the bounds of reason to ask questions about his intentions and availability. He might just be holding you off and letting you down easy, who knows. He may have every intention of seeing you again, and in that case some time frame is completely appropriate. Be careful of being a passenger with someone else driving everything, you end up places you don't want to go. Also, if you're afraid of giving the impression that you're waiting around for his next move, be aware that that is exactly what you are doing, and it's uncomfortable. This can signal to you that maybe you need to take good care of yourself by taking the initiative with communication. It's just a date, but then again, it's a date and you deserve to understand his intention if he's implying he has an intention. The mystery is unnecessary.
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Post by tnr9 on Apr 25, 2023 21:39:39 GMT
I agree with introvertā¦.I think it is a reasonable question and knowing the answer would reduce your anxiety.
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Post by iz42 on May 8, 2023 2:12:20 GMT
If he is not into me really, once I have final confirmation, it will be easy to turn it off. I only want who wants me. That sounds disappointing. Do you still want him? Especially after how things went?
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Post by lovebunny on May 9, 2023 22:08:36 GMT
Hey Dearlover,
You said: "And he wants a regular sex partner who will understand his busy life, his travels and keep it light without too many demands or a promise of a future life together."
Is the above scenario truly your heart's desire?
I'm sorry you're feeling triggered or abandoned. It sounds like you had hopes or expectations that sex with this man would turn into romance or a relationship, and now he's not even texting you back. And sounds like you didn't even enjoy the sex, or he was cold-hearted about it?
I'm newly back into the dating world too, so I get it. We AP's really want to bond with someone and will use sex as a hook. But I think as you get clear on what you really want, you'll realize you don't want to be a woman who makes no demands and takes whatever you can get from a man.
Take a few deep breaths, go do something nice for yourself, and go ahead and block his number if you're ready.
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Post by lovebunny on May 10, 2023 1:06:25 GMT
Gotcha. I also am involved in D/s, to be exact, Dd/lg dynamics, and they are not to be taken lightly. I submitted fully to my ex in ways that made the breakup feel even more devastating, to have given him what I gave him, and still he left me, it felt unbelievable.
I just came from a weekend with a Dd, a poly guy who I started seeing towards the end of my last r'ship (which was open) so am suffering some subdrop myself. Sucks because he goes home to his wife, I go home to no one. It's not that I want HIM, I'm not romantically attracted to him, though he's a good friend and mentor and we have good sex. It's that I wish I wasn't alone after he left.
This stuff can be addictive, on both sides. It's kind of a superpower, and we really should be careful who we share it with/ use it on. I'm thinking apart from this guy who is a pre-existing condition, I will no longer do kink stuff with anyone who isn't up for a committed relationship. I've learned from a couple of bad experiences how bad it feels to do this stuff with men who don't actually care about me, and I don't wish to repeat that experience.
I'm glad you're getting some clarity here. Hope you feel better.
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Post by lovebunny on May 10, 2023 12:05:43 GMT
"We did not talk/agree/consent on scenes, after care or safe words and I was not expecting that at all."
Oof. That is all wrong. That should have all been worked out before going to bed together and no deviations during the act.
Sorry that happened to you. Yes, he was a bad dom, maybe inexperienced, and there's a lot of those out there just looking to get whatever they can. HINT: D/s should always put the needs of the s first. We subs need to protect ourselves by explicitly setting our boundaries, stating our needs, and not going there with someone who doesn't deserve it or hasn't earned it. Otherwise, it too easily becomes exploitative.
Hope you feel better quickly.
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Post by cherrycola on May 15, 2023 4:46:27 GMT
Ouch. Sorry. I've been in a D/s myself and also turned to bratting when unsure and "the Dom" (in quotes because he is not a real Dom) reacted poorly. I dedicated way too much counselling time to him because I was brand new to D/s and the experience lasted months longer then it should have. He wanted a sub, but I could neither be really submissive or really assertive and it was hard to find the line to walk. He kept accusing me of not being into kink because I couldn't read his mind.
He didn't like safe words, didn't want to negotiate scenes and if I was too into something got upset and said it was disgusting and a turn off. He was really into ABDL and kept saying he wanted to take care of me, but left out all the necessary nurturing part of it and aftercare, leaving me to feel alone as I cleaned myself up after.
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