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Post by kristyrose on Sept 15, 2018 6:31:21 GMT
Yeah, I think so. If I'm feeling secure I am not worried about double texting someone. If I'm feeling AP I am. I just wanted to clarify, I am not suggesting a person should just text someone whenever they feel like it. That only works if one is actually feeling secure and coming from a secure place. If one is feeling super AP it can result in sending too many texts or needy texts, or feeling anxious or hurt if you don't get the desired reply or a quick reply, etc. I find the best approach is to try to self-soothe and think rationally about it and then when I am feeling more secure and no longer attached to an outcome it is safe to text. YES PLEASE. And F! I am being AP! haha! but glad I am getting waaaaay better at catching it. I'll reply on that in several hours, as it requires a thoughtful response, and I don't have time just now. But I will. I also thought of some tips that might help in communicating with an FA who doesn't reply to certain texts and how to not enable that. Hope you are ok in the meantime and good work on being mindful and self-aware.
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Post by kristyrose on Sept 15, 2018 6:32:11 GMT
I just wanted to clarify, I am not suggesting a person should just text someone whenever they feel like it. That only works if one is actually feeling secure and coming from a secure place. If one is feeling super AP it can result in sending too many texts or needy texts, or feeling anxious or hurt if you don't get the desired reply or a quick reply, etc. I find the best approach is to try to self-soothe and think rationally about it and then when I am feeling more secure and no longer attached to an outcome it is safe to text. I'll reply on that in several hours, as it requires a thoughtful response, and I don't have time just now. But I will. I also thought of some tips that might help in communicating with an FA who doesn't reply to certain texts and how to not enable that. Hope you are ok in the meantime and good work on being mindful and self-aware. Absolutely. Thank you so much thats wonderful
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Post by lilyg on Sept 15, 2018 6:44:53 GMT
😊 text him about the news, but if you're both ok maybe you can call him on it playfully. If you believe he is not making this ok purpose try not taking it personally (I know! Easier said than done! I had a freak out too . But I'd tell him in person that it is important for you. Even with a one word, and of course when he can. That you can understand if he cannot talk and not expect a lenghty conversation, but it's rude not to answer and makes you guess if that channel is open for communication.
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Post by joan on Sept 15, 2018 11:56:20 GMT
Hey everyone, So... all week I have been negotiating a job offer that I've been hesitant to take due to my chronic health condition, however the money and benefits are so amazing and could really be a life changer, so I'm considering taking it. In the meantime, my ex has been incredibly present, texting asking me to talk to help me sort out the pro and cons. We have been talking all week, it's been great having him in my corner. Yesterday around 5 I told him I would keep him posted on next steps and asked how his day was going- I didn't want it to be all about my job as I know he has his own stressors of course. He didn't rely and its been 24 hours. Now, this is typical and not a huge deal, he doesn't have to respond right away, but- he will do this... when the weekend approaches he will communicate way less or stop all together until i text yet again a day later. He probably thinks oh she will text me when theres an update, but he will sidestep a simple how was your day question at any given time and for no reason. It is so irritating and he is used to my accepting his selective responses and acting as if I asked nothing. So, I am just going to not send another text or give him an update at this time until I hear from him. It's a small thing yes, but a big thing for me in keeping my power and not putting up with this small but annoying BS! If I don't respond to him timely, he will blow up my phone. So, I'm not allowed to do this and frankly, neither should he. Kristyrose, I'm going through the same thing you are so I can relate to how you're feeling. The guy I'm with has reacted the same way when I've asked those, "How was your day," questions. He's told me he finds the question pointless, annoying and he doesn't care for small talk. Like you I was only trying to find a way to start a conversation about him and connect with him in some way. I do understand what Happyidiot was saying about trying to find other things to text about, and being more specific. Maybe asking about something he shared recently about what he's been doing or a project he's working on. Of course it's easier to send a text asking a general question that you really do want to know. It takes more thought to think of something specific that will possibly peak his interest though. It can also feel fake when you really just want to know how his day is, what he's been doing and things like that. For example I'll text him asking about his cabinet making project when really all I want to know is what he was doing and what he's been up to. Like you when I've asked the general, "How was your day?" question he'd either say busy working and not go into much detail or not reply to the question at all. I've found oddly that he'll respond better when I'll ask, "How are you feeling," versus "How was your day?" Of course the how are you feeling would have to have some context behind it like adding in "you get enough sleep," or "are your legs sore from our workout?" or something along those lines. I don't know if any of this is helpful, but it's what I've noticed in my situation and might be helpful for you.
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Post by happyidiot on Sept 15, 2018 23:40:14 GMT
I want to preface this that, as always, what I say is just based on analyzing my own behavior and that of FAs I've dated and been friends with, combined with everything I've read on the topic. It has only been weeks since I even started accepting that my main attachment style is FA, so bear that in mind, but it was like a curtain was lifted. Obviously just because someone displays traits of FA attachment does not make us all the same, but I can offer insight into what has gone on in my mind when I have done things, and share what I have/haven't found effective in communicating with FA people (esp when I was feeling particularly AP) or what they've told me (the latter may need to wait for another post, as this one is already going to be long).
I suspect most people don't know what they are doing. I have only initiated plans with anyone once or twice in the past month+. I'm a pretty social person, I've accepted invitations, and I probably wouldn't have even realized that I didn't initiate any except that I purposely thought about it. I think if you have set up a pattern with someone of always being the one to do the asking, it may be difficult to change that, and it may result in you seeing them less. The FA person might be content to see you less often. Or they may realize after a while (and it could be a long while) that they haven't seen as much of you and start reaching out to you more, perhaps indirectly hinting they want to / are free to get together, or even initiating plans themselves if their hints don't work.
As far as withdrawing when it's getting close to a time that it would be normal to make plans, again that can be without any awareness. Sometimes I might be feeling overwhelmed and not wanting to decide in advance what I'm doing. Sometimes I might want some time to myself or already have other plans. Sometimes I might be thinking I need to crack down on work as the end of the week nears rather than texting people so much. Or I might be imagining that if my weekend is free of commitments that I will finally be able to finish some project or responsibility or catch up on sleep. I am almost never purposely communicating with people less when I suspect they will want to do something, but it can happen, if someone is being very AP and/or they are someone I actually don't want to see.
Like right now, I have drawn back from replying to someone's texts because it is a guy who wants to go on a date with me. He sent me a couple texts just making conversation and I replied because, well, I think it's rude to not reply to someone and I also don't have anything against him or reason to tell him I don't want any contact with him. But I could sense that he was going to be encouraged to ask me to see him in person because I'd been responding to him, so I tried to take longer before replying, and sure enough he just asked me if I want to go on a walk with him. Now I am not replying at all while I think of what to say. But my brain wanted to frame it as, "I am just too busy writing this post to reply to him right now."
I am going to tell him that I never want to go out with him, but many FA people might not be so clear. They might not even want to make a decision as to whether they never want to go out with him. They might not be thinking about all this stuff as much as I am. Some might just not reply, give an excuse (which may feel real!), or even accept the invitation and then ghost or flake. They might even do those things to a guy they actually DO want to go out with. And any of these things may all be done with little awareness as to why they are doing it.
So, really don't take it personally. It can be very hard to tell the difference between an FA who doesn't want to see you, one who is secretly hoping you will initiate things, and one who just isn't thinking about it because they are feeling overwhelmed by things that have little to do with you. We often feel overwhelmed, and we often struggle with depression. As one person put it in a thread back when I was puzzling over my FA ex, maybe his dog died. I think the solution in any case is to work on being more secure.
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Post by alexandra on Sept 16, 2018 0:15:25 GMT
Haha, I think I suggested maybe his dog died. Total coincidence with the other thread where I suggested an imaginary scenario that someone hated puppies! But I want to back up what happyidiot is saying with, my FA ex has actually told me, when waffling back and forth about wanting to be with me, that he does not understand his motivations for doing things. This was said on his own accord with confusion, frustration, and sadness. I believe it, especially since his talk track lately has been giving up on understanding his actions and writing it off as humans are irrational.
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Post by happyidiot on Sept 16, 2018 1:15:33 GMT
alexandra It was you! haha kristyrose and anyone else who is interested: If I am honest, I think my default would be to never go out or make plans with people and the only reason I make plans with anyone is because I know this about myself and want to force myself into doing things, as I am very aware that it does not actually make me feel good to not do things with people. Or I will also do it when I am pulled into feeling more AP. If I'm feeling AP I will chase someone and initiate plans with them, provided I am not trying my damnedest to not act AP. I read some blog or something once that suggested that an AP person dating an FA person should act more avoidant themselves in order to get the FA person to be more AP, and while I don't necessarily think that is healthy, I can see why it could potentially be effective–I can also see how it could backfire though. Becoming more secure on the other hand, that will change the dynamic of the relationship: it may make it less exciting but it will be less stressful. On the topic of text communication, it's important to provide value for the other person. Even if you want to know how someone's day is going, or want to show them that you are not self-centered, or just want an excuse to text them to keep the conversation going because you want to be in frequent communication, what about what the other person wants/needs? What if they don't find talking about their day at all interesting and it feels like a chore? What about considering the kinds of texts that do seem to engage them? For example, for me and others I know, I often appreciate texts that do not put pressure on me, like something funny that leaves me room to reply with something funny. Not that it should only ever be that, of course. While I don't want to encourage AP "score-keeping," I do encourage you to pay attention if someone's texts are much shorter or farther between than yours or than is usual for them. They might be busy. They might not like texting as much as you. One man I know, who is quite secure and maybe slightly DA, told me he feels like texts are an obnoxious intrusion when he is busy, that he finds it very hard to multi-task and finds texts annoying while he is at work unless it is something that actually needs to be communicated about right then or it's about something that is a problem for him to help fix. He felt he was speaking for his entire gender and I had to tell him not everyone is like that, some men seem happy to have a distraction from work and will initiate it themselves, but I bring this up as a reminder that it's important to be sensitive about how different people feel differently about texting and that's ok. As far as text questions in general going unanswered, I find it helpful to not always just let it go. One gentle way to do this would be to rephrase the question or make it more specific and ask again. Another gentle way to do this is to ask if they didn't answer it for xyz reason. Think of a possible reason, that is not coming from a place of AP fear, like don't ask them, "Did you not reply to that because you don't love me?" (I'm being dramatic but you get the idea). Something more like, "Did you not reply to that because you didn't know what to say?" Note that it's also really common for someone to not reply to something because you said too many different things at once and they just chose one or two that stood out to reply to. If I look at the most AP person I know, she will ask vague things like how I am with the purpose of not appearing self-centered, but she IS really self-centered and will direct the conversation back to her, or she'll use it as an opener just so I will say "And how are you?" back and she can send me a novel. That doesn't feel good.
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Post by kristyrose on Sept 17, 2018 3:48:49 GMT
happyidiot, thank you so very much for the thoughtful response. I am just sitting down after a very busy weekend but will read your posts once and again and respond. I ended up sending him a text about the job when i realized how I was just acting out and had calmed down. He was very encouraging then invited me to watch a game with him the next day. We ended up having a really great time and spent all of today together as well. After thinking on it, I may not be able to take the job due to my health and the fact that my current job gives me way more flexibility, this weighed heavily on me so before we parted ways, he wanted to talk out the job situation some more. He spent an hour in my car helping me develop questions for myself that could bring me closer to a final decision. I was so touched at how present he was going out of his way to help me make such a big decision. I was glad I catch myself on Friday and reached out in a genuine way that felt more true to myself than giving in to the selfish scared child inside of me who craves being soothed. Thank you for being there for me on Friday. I appreciate it greatly
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 13:32:27 GMT
It's definitely a double standard that he gets do upset when you don't respond right away yet he does it all the time. That would be annoying for sure. False expectations and keeping tabs about him texting you or not, when he texts etc will only keep you unhappy. You have no control over what he does, whether it's fair or not. He does what he does and after all this time, you know logically what his behavior will be (inconsistent) yet you keep hoping it will change. The double standard is not a sign of respect. Perhaps it is the signs of disrespect that is the basis for the reaction.
Also, very happy that you got the job offer!
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Post by kristyrose on Sept 20, 2018 3:22:22 GMT
It's definitely a double standard that he gets do upset when you don't respond right away yet he does it all the time. That would be annoying for sure. False expectations and keeping tabs about him texting you or not, when he texts etc will only keep you unhappy. You have no control over what he does, whether it's fair or not. He does what he does and after all this time, you know logically what his behavior will be (inconsistent) yet you keep hoping it will change. The double standard is not a sign of respect. Perhaps it is the signs of disrespect that is the basis for the reaction. Also, very happy that you got the job offer! Hi Mary, Thank you btw about the job! Unfortunately I had to turn it down, I realized it just didn't work with my current health and I need to focus on that first. But, I'm delighted I got such a great offer, it motivates me to get as physically well as possible for the next opportunity. In terms of my hopes it will change, that is indeed the hardest thing to let go of. I have many hopes he will change or the situation will and that only serves to cause me pain and stunt my ongoing growth. He has spent many hours here and there during the week to talk to me about this job and make sure I felt OK about my decision, he has offered his time and advice which feels very sincere and is on par with how he always does acts of service for me since i've known him. This is a consistent and positive aspect to his personality, the consistent inconsistencies in how he communicates and some of his actions are the hard part that I know is there and will not change, so I have to accept it. I guess if you mix those with the good stuff, it is very hard to want more reassurance and security. I have a lot of health worries, so right now Im going to try and work on accepting what he offers for now and focus on getting well, but I have got to address with myself, if I can really live with all of this.
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Post by happyidiot on Sept 20, 2018 4:51:10 GMT
kristyrose You have a lot on your plate. What are you deciding if you can/can't live with? What are your options? If you feel like talking about it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 14:08:25 GMT
It's definitely a double standard that he gets do upset when you don't respond right away yet he does it all the time. That would be annoying for sure. False expectations and keeping tabs about him texting you or not, when he texts etc will only keep you unhappy. You have no control over what he does, whether it's fair or not. He does what he does and after all this time, you know logically what his behavior will be (inconsistent) yet you keep hoping it will change. The double standard is not a sign of respect. Perhaps it is the signs of disrespect that is the basis for the reaction. Also, very happy that you got the job offer! Hi Mary, Thank you btw about the job! Unfortunately I had to turn it down, I realized it just didn't work with my current health and I need to focus on that first. But, I'm delighted I got such a great offer, it motivates me to get as physically well as possible for the next opportunity. In terms of my hopes it will change, that is indeed the hardest thing to let go of. I have many hopes he will change or the situation will and that only serves to cause me pain and stunt my ongoing growth. He has spent many hours here and there during the week to talk to me about this job and make sure I felt OK about my decision, he has offered his time and advice which feels very sincere and is on par with how he always does acts of service for me since i've known him. This is a consistent and positive aspect to his personality, the consistent inconsistencies in how he communicates and some of his actions are the hard part that I know is there and will not change, so I have to accept it. I guess if you mix those with the good stuff, it is very hard to want more reassurance and security. I have a lot of health worries, so right now Im going to try and work on accepting what he offers for now and focus on getting well, but I have got to address with myself, if I can really live with all of this. Yes, it's most important to focus on your health. I do hope it gets better for you. I think that we stay in relationships that serve a purpose even if they don't serve the entirety of what you want. There are still pros that you value and perhaps need. I think it's fine as long as the bad stuff doesn't damage you. It's all a tough decision what to do and you can see I struggle with this too. It's hard to know sometimes if a person's presence or absence is better.
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Post by kristyrose on Sept 21, 2018 16:07:29 GMT
kristyrose You have a lot on your plate. What are you deciding if you can/can't live with? What are your options? If you feel like talking about it. Hey there. I'm trying to decide, or have been for some time on and off whether or not I can live with the way things are with my ex. Sometimes I feel like I can just leave things be and enjoy our time, but there are moments where I feel too much uncertainty and I want to stop seeing him and have some peace. For instance, he says he wants to be regular friends which would imply behaving as such but he never acts this way with me, we carry on like we are dating. He said in January that he wanted to dates others, he hasn't and it's almost Oct. He will say he wants a weekend alone so of course I leave him be, then a day later will text to hang out. This type of behavior makes me feel quite unsettled and if I point it out, he merely denies it because I truly believe he cannot even see it himself. He will spend an hour or two even on the phone with me to discuss how to better communicate and stay in each others lives, while simultaneously implying our friendship doesn't mean that much, then turn around and say we have our whole lives to hang out and be in each others lives. I'm sure you can see why/how I get confused. If I leave things as they are, I essentially get what I want which is to spend time with him and for us to be close, but it has to appear all on his terms and I'm not sure I can live with that much longer. I want some peace in this and part of that is letting go and accepting, however another part I feel is for me to get some needs met too. I have tried to voice how I feel in the past, but when I do he is adamant about the fact that we are not in a relationship of any kind- he reminds me over and over even when I do not bring it up. And yet, neither one of us can move on. We enjoy being together and so I take that at face value and focus on other things for now. I have a chronic health condition, have had it since I was a child, the past 2 years it has gotten harder to control so I've been trying out new medications which can make me sick. I also have an MRI scheduled next tuesday that I'm nervous about and I had to turn down the job offer due to my health. I think all of that has gotten to me and I feel really vulnerable and scared right now. Sorry didn't respond sooner, had a busy day yesterday, but thank you for reaching out
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Post by kristyrose on Sept 21, 2018 16:13:38 GMT
Hi Mary, Thank you btw about the job! Unfortunately I had to turn it down, I realized it just didn't work with my current health and I need to focus on that first. But, I'm delighted I got such a great offer, it motivates me to get as physically well as possible for the next opportunity. In terms of my hopes it will change, that is indeed the hardest thing to let go of. I have many hopes he will change or the situation will and that only serves to cause me pain and stunt my ongoing growth. He has spent many hours here and there during the week to talk to me about this job and make sure I felt OK about my decision, he has offered his time and advice which feels very sincere and is on par with how he always does acts of service for me since i've known him. This is a consistent and positive aspect to his personality, the consistent inconsistencies in how he communicates and some of his actions are the hard part that I know is there and will not change, so I have to accept it. I guess if you mix those with the good stuff, it is very hard to want more reassurance and security. I have a lot of health worries, so right now Im going to try and work on accepting what he offers for now and focus on getting well, but I have got to address with myself, if I can really live with all of this. Yes, it's most important to focus on your health. I do hope it gets better for you. I think that we stay in relationships that serve a purpose even if they don't serve the entirety of what you want. There are still pros that you value and perhaps need. I think it's fine as long as the bad stuff doesn't damage you. It's all a tough decision what to do and you can see I struggle with this too. It's hard to know sometimes if a person's presence or absence is better. Thank you Mary. And yeah I agree, sometimes the good stuff can feel vital to one's life. Right now I just need support and if he can and is willing to offer that, I will gladly accept. I definitely understand your struggle. There is so much to learn about ourselves as we work through and exist in these relationships. Sending you a lot of light today
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 22:27:46 GMT
Yes, it's most important to focus on your health. I do hope it gets better for you. I think that we stay in relationships that serve a purpose even if they don't serve the entirety of what you want. There are still pros that you value and perhaps need. I think it's fine as long as the bad stuff doesn't damage you. It's all a tough decision what to do and you can see I struggle with this too. It's hard to know sometimes if a person's presence or absence is better. Thank you Mary. And yeah I agree, sometimes the good stuff can feel vital to one's life. Right now I just need support and if he can and is willing to offer that, I will gladly accept. I definitely understand your struggle. There is so much to learn about ourselves as we work through and exist in these relationships. Sending you a lot of light today Thank you so much!
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