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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 21:34:40 GMT
I am hoping to hear from all attachment styles about what it's like when you're triggered. I am trying to understand how others I am relating with may experience triggers during conflict. It's hard for me to understand what happens inside others of course, when their outsides look a certain way.
It's all very confusing just dealing with myself when I'm triggered and I'm sure I am very difficult to deal with at that time. I retreat and push away hard and try to burn things to the ground once I'm at a safe distance. I think the 'burning to the ground' part, which is characterized by expressing anger in a way that ends things rather than to work through things, may be a disorganized thing but I am not sure.
That is followed by wanting to be alone and have no interaction, with anyone. I may feel sad at that time, but if I do it's impossible to cry and I am not able to express that at all. I can shut down for days. I can continue ny routines and necessary interactions and pull it off but I crave to be alone and put things aside as quickly as possible in order to be alone if I can.
I feel safest and best in a cocoon like state. I like to stay still, quiet, and isolated when I am triggered. It's kind of a relaxed state but not a really content state, hard to describe I guess but maybe you know it. I can feel some agitation which I just turn down with thoughts of safety and security in my little bubble. I really do feel like I can soothe myself the best at that time and ride it out. I feel like an island in a storm and that the sun will come out in a bit and I'll still be an island just a happier one, once the storm passes.
I am DA in romantic relationships and I have a little Disorganized in there too, with very little anxious attachment. I'm trying of late to delve into the disorganized aspects because I recognize some things there. Particularly, I saw a video that said the FA/disorganized biggest fear is that of betrayal and feeling stupid for trusting. When I am triggered that's how I feel. However, there is also so much in that style that I don't understand which is foreign to me, so it does confuse me a lot.
Here are the last results I had from a survey. (I don't know how accurate these are but I find descriptions of the types to be very helpful and would say this is pretty accurate):
Secure 51% Dismissive 32% Disorganized 14% Anxious 3%
So, I don't know if anyone wants to talk about what it's like for them but I would like to understand where we are similar or different?
Oh by the way a trigger will start with a tight or hollowed out feeling in my chest and from there it's just down a tunnel while throwing a few rocks out of the hole on the way to my cave. I think I make it pretty impossible to deal with or interact with me and of course I don't feel good about that being in my makeup. I have made progress in that it happens rarely because I'm in healthier dynamics. But it's still there and I just wish I could completely fix it. And, I'm not in a relationship so it's not like I'm in a place to get triggered and try something new, so I'm just kind of researching and keeping it in my awareness for when/if I meet someone with that potential again.
Thanks in advance for those who might participate.
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Post by faithopelove on Feb 7, 2019 23:01:26 GMT
I test AP with partners, DA with parents and secure in friendships.
As an AP, feeling connected to my partner always mattered more than anything. If I felt a pulling away or disconnect from that closeness, whether real or perceived, I would feel panic riding up in my chest. Panic and anxiety. My nervous system would feel hijacked and the only way to feel better was to reconnect to that source, my partner. My focus would be on the other person- what they’re doing, thinking, feeling and it would feel impossible to feel regulated without coming to terms with my partner. Instead of finding comfort or strength within- I would chase it and hunt it down.
Overacting and being reactive would happen as a result of feeling any distancing or rejection. It’s a horrible feeling when activated bc I would feel out of control- that’s when I would do things such as text or call repeatedly. I acted out the most by blowing up the cell. I would try to stuff it down but explode in texts. I did not want but “needed” reconnect, like my life depended on it. I would feel in a very young state both psychologically and emotionally when activated- around the age of a hurting and rejected 5 or 6 year old.
It’s embarrassing to think of now, but until a year ago, I was uneducated and unaware of my past trauma and triggers influencing my responses.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 23:23:55 GMT
I test AP with partners, DA with parents and secure in friendships. As an AP, feeling connected to my partner always mattered more than anything. If I felt a pulling away or disconnect from that closeness, whether real or perceived, I would feel panic riding up in my chest. Panic and anxiety. My nervous system would feel hijacked and the only way to feel better was to reconnect to that source, my partner. My focus would be on the other person- what they’re doing, thinking, feeling and it would feel impossible to feel regulated without coming to terms with my partner. Instead of finding comfort or strength within- I would chase it and hunt it down. Overacting and being reactive would happen as a result of feeling any distancing or rejection. It’s a horrible feeling when activated bc I would feel out of control- that’s when I would do things such as text or call repeatedly. I acted out the most by blowing up the cell. I would try to stuff it down but explode in texts. I did not want but “needed” reconnect, like my life depended on it. I would feel in a very young state both psychologically and emotionally when activated- around the age of a hurting and rejected 5 or 6 year old. It’s embarrassing to think of now, but until a year ago, I was uneducated and unaware of my past trauma and triggers influencing my responses. Thank you for sharing. I find my triggers embarrassing also, because it's generally uncharacteristic of me, I'm a pretty diplomatic person in a lot of ways but I lose all diplomacy and I'm out the door with a parting shot or nine. It's graceless. So, when you are blowing up a phone are you begging to reconnect or shooting darts? Ive gotten in text wars out of pure anger, it feels like pure fight mode but it's usually to say what I'm hurt or angry - because I've gotten to a desperate point with not being heard or feeling extremely alienated or misunderstood. I want to be heard and I spit out what I hadnt been able to say either due to my own shut down or being shut down by someone who won't listen to me. The blowup isn't about reconnecting though it's about pushing away hard, and once it passes and I've said my bit I just withdraw and go into the cocoon. I am not happy about it, it's so intense and horrible. And then just almost lethargic. So I guess a mixed DA style with some disorganized can fight and then flee and freeze? That is what it feels like to me. Flight to my home or away from the partner however I can (FIRST PRIORITY) Fight (from a distance) and Freeze. So yours is Fight to reconnect and mine seems to be fight in order to disconnect.
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Post by mrob on Feb 8, 2019 14:30:15 GMT
Check out my first few posts when I got here and you’ll see the emotional roller coaster of an FA, warts and all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 17:07:47 GMT
Check out my first few posts when I got here and you’ll see the emotional roller coaster of an FA, warts and all. Thank you mrob, I will go check those out soon.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 17:35:50 GMT
If I may ask, if you were triggered and an anxiously triggered person didn't leave you alone (pushed you further away), is there chance that you'll take an initiative to reconnect a few months later? Or you erase them, rule the relation doomed, never look back? I, I don't know what I am. FA, I suppose. When I'm in distressed or my avoidance is triggered (too much closeness when it's "not safe") I disassociate. I must be left alone, I don't want to talk, if you don't leave me alone when I'm like that I won't hear you out, I'll say anything to push you away or to provoke you. I'll feel disgusted. I might get angry or cruel. I need silence. There's no many emotions but kind of dead anger or sadness or disappointment. I don't know. Body wise, I feel it in my stomach. My jaw is stiff. When my fear of abandonment (the anxious side) is triggered it feels like heart being ripped of my chest. It can feel very violent on my body. I want to scream. I talk a lot, I spam a lot, anything to reengage because only this will soothe it- knowing they won't abandon me. There's no control over it. My memory is gone, my mind is chaotic, I can't think. I have constant mood swings. It's awful. I hate myself in that state but I can't do anything. I don't typically re-initiate contact with an ex. I have had anxious and avoidant and probably FA partners. If I want to salvage the relationship it will be in a short time frame. So say there have been escalating issues that lead to breakup (I'm the initiator, I haven't been broken up with ), after I chill out about it for a few days and if I feel that I have been heard and heard the other side and a solution might be reached, I will want to try to reconcile to give it another try. If there isn't enough to salvage, I will handle the breakup and move on as well and as soon as I can without looking back. A long period of time passing means I am done and not looking back. I am friends with an ex that was dismissive and we couldn't get it together in a way that suited us both (he's more DA than me) but we always had a special bond and both have elected to maintain that sans romance. That was the only instance that I have cut contact and taken time to recover and resolved things internally and reaproached. I can't remember actually if he reached out or I did but we are in contact frequently without seeing each other in person much. It works for both of us, the light companionship. As far as triggers, I really relate to the description of your avoidant trigger, although I am not triggered by closeness I am triggered by inconsistency, or confusion, unpredictability, and conflict, or disrespect that feels like oppression or encroachment on my autonomy or personal values. I'm confused about the anxious triggers that you guys are describing though. I guess I can't remember what anxiously triggered persons have said to me when triggered because I didn't understand all this and was shutting down myself. I know it was nothing that made me want to reconnect. When you spam and fight to connect what kinds of things are you saying and doing- is it reconciliatory or pleading or expressing love or what? I understand that feeling of the "fight" reaction where there is intensity and a "moving toward" the attachment, but it seems like we have very different motivations. I basically feel like I'm screaming back and making my case. But it seems like anxious persons are not driven to be understood no matter the consequence and even if it means walking away for good , they are driven to repair and feel safe? My fight mode is about basically explaining my departure and anger and once I've done that and feel heard I can let go. I might fight for a week or less and then drop it. During that time I will feel adrenaline with contact and then spit stuff out and retreat and calm down and move away from it again. I'll feel agitated about it because I feel wronged, and just have a mess of emotion. So it's not so much a drive to reconnect as to establish my perimeter and burn stuff off I guess. Then I move into acceptance and put my focus on other things that feel rewarding, stable and safe to me. But like I've said, if I am emotionally attached and invested and feel there is hope to reconcile after the storm clears it will be quick, not weeks and months. I just want to get stability either in or out. I've heard that I'm absolutely unapproachable when I'm triggered. Which is the goal. But it all stinks. Thanks for sharing your experiences!
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Post by alexandra on Feb 8, 2019 18:42:33 GMT
I'm confused about the anxious triggers that you guys are describing though. I guess I can't remember what anxiously triggered persons have said to me when triggered because I didn't understand all this and was shutting down myself. I know it was nothing that made me want to reconnect. When you spam and fight to connect what kinds of things are you saying and doing- is it reconciliatory or pleading or expressing love or what? I understand that feeling of the "fight" reaction where there is intensity and a "moving toward" the attachment, but it seems like we have very different motivations. I basically feel like I'm screaming back and making my case. But it seems like anxious persons are not driven to be understood no matter the consequence and even if it means walking away for good , they are driven to repair and feel safe? No, the intent is different. When I've gotten triggered over the last ten years, there's no anger in it. I don't lash out at all (and have been complimented for this, keeping conflict contained and not getting angry, character assassinating, or bringing up past grievances). However, when I was unaware AP and triggered, it would manifest as endless conversation (rumination, being overbearing about not being able to drop it even if the other person was deactivating) exactly because I was trying to be understood but didn't know how to communicate properly. Both because I was in the middle of being triggered and then emotional regulation goes out the window so communication will too, but way moreso because I didn't fully understand why I was responding that way (because my triggered behaviors are out of character and I'm usually very reasonable) and was disconnected from what my needs actually were so couldn't express them anyway. Part of this was being AP and just not understanding my core issues, and part was being afraid that my needs would push the person even further away because I'd get triggered by a perceived threat of abandonment, so I clearly (thought) I'd already done something wrong to upset the other person. And if I could just figure out how to communicate in the right way, I'd be understood, we'd have a mutual understanding, and I could fix it! I'd better try every single way of saying something that comes to mind, one must be the right word combination. So, it actually was always about how to be understood for me so we could reconnect, never about anger (but then I couldn't communicate properly to get there because of my own issues). But, of course, especially with me and the avoidant now both triggered and who knows who even got triggered first, that never worked.
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Post by ocarina on Feb 8, 2019 19:07:49 GMT
When I was at my DA height, being triggered made me run - almost literally, a kind of claustrophobia and then extreme distance which must have left my partners totally baffled - and once I had turned off it was permanent - often I had no idea why, I just wanted out.
Fast forward some and I can now recognise thought patterns and sit with feelings in order to pause and not skip straight to reactivity which is a huge step forward. I recognise being triggered in all walks of life and can now observe rather than interact with the feelings which is huge and immensely freeing. I would almost say I'm too good at it as I can be tempted by my ability to be calm with what is, to stay when sometimes leaving would be best.
Having said that I'm learning and accepting that I have needs too and am getting more adept at setting meaningful boundaries. In my last relationship when my partner returned I was very clear about what I needed and when I realised he was unable to meet those needs rather than being triggered I set very clear edges around physical intimacy and realistic expectations which has allowed me to accept our relationship as is and notice my feelings around it, whilst remaining detached in a healthy way.
The Untethered Soul by Michael Singer really helped me to see my reactions subjectively and to take some kind of pause before leaping into reactive behaviours/ getting lost in looping thought trains. As a DA however I was totally unaware and totally at the mercy of my conditioning which was about as far from freedom as it's possible to imagine - although at the time I thought this was what being free was all about. Ahhh the irony of the DA!
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Post by alexandra on Feb 8, 2019 19:44:52 GMT
As a DA however I was totally unaware and totally at the mercy of my conditioning which was about as far from freedom as it's possible to imagine - although at the time I thought this was what being free was all about. Ahhh the irony of the DA! I concluded a few months ago that this is true for all unaware insecure attachment types. It's a very patterned and reactive place to be, with far less free will than it appears until healing begins.
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Post by faithopelove on Feb 9, 2019 2:49:04 GMT
I test AP with partners, DA with parents and secure in friendships. As an AP, feeling connected to my partner always mattered more than anything. If I felt a pulling away or disconnect from that closeness, whether real or perceived, I would feel panic riding up in my chest. Panic and anxiety. My nervous system would feel hijacked and the only way to feel better was to reconnect to that source, my partner. My focus would be on the other person- what they’re doing, thinking, feeling and it would feel impossible to feel regulated without coming to terms with my partner. Instead of finding comfort or strength within- I would chase it and hunt it down. Overacting and being reactive would happen as a result of feeling any distancing or rejection. It’s a horrible feeling when activated bc I would feel out of control- that’s when I would do things such as text or call repeatedly. I acted out the most by blowing up the cell. I would try to stuff it down but explode in texts. I did not want but “needed” reconnect, like my life depended on it. I would feel in a very young state both psychologically and emotionally when activated- around the age of a hurting and rejected 5 or 6 year old. It’s embarrassing to think of now, but until a year ago, I was uneducated and unaware of my past trauma and triggers influencing my responses. Thank you for sharing. I find my triggers embarrassing also, because it's generally uncharacteristic of me, I'm a pretty diplomatic person in a lot of ways but I lose all diplomacy and I'm out the door with a parting shot or nine. It's graceless. So, when you are blowing up a phone are you begging to reconnect or shooting darts? Ive gotten in text wars out of pure anger, it feels like pure fight mode but it's usually to say what I'm hurt or angry - because I've gotten to a desperate point with not being heard or feeling extremely alienated or misunderstood. I want to be heard and I spit out what I hadnt been able to say either due to my own shut down or being shut down by someone who won't listen to me. The blowup isn't about reconnecting though it's about pushing away hard, and once it passes and I've said my bit I just withdraw and go into the cocoon. I am not happy about it, it's so intense and horrible. And then just almost lethargic. So I guess a mixed DA style with some disorganized can fight and then flee and freeze? That is what it feels like to me. Flight to my home or away from the partner however I can (FIRST PRIORITY) Fight (from a distance) and Freeze. So yours is Fight to reconnect and mine seems to be fight in order to disconnect. @nullified - Yes, definitely a fight to reconnect and that fight could last hours or days, as long as I feel progress can be made then I’m driven to continue. My AP reaction was never out of anger and I didn’t lash out in anger with yelling, screaming or name calling but I was persistent. I have been told that being on the receiving end felt like a lot of criticism and a feeling my partner could never satisfy me. My few serious partners have all told me it’s impossible to make me happy. I would text, phone and talk so I could try to make the person understand my point of view- and in understanding, then I’d expect restored closeness. I wanted to be heard and understood. The severed tie hurt too much. I tried to persuade, coerce and convince. I could talk forever to try and find the right angle to reconnect. So sad, the desperation. Thinking back to the last two conflicts with my ex- who was triggered by conflict, uncertainty and inconsistency....I was very hurt and felt him pulling away when he made up excuses about not spending Thanksgiving together, immediately after our break, but since we spent the weekend together, I expected to jump back in full throttle. I texted that I felt like he didn’t care and asked don’t I matter to him and how he invited me two months prior etc. The trigger before that resulted bc he told me he was going out w his friends the upcoming Friday. That, coupled w our recent conflicts and his pulling away set off alarm bells in me and I immediately felt hurt and told him things like, before I make plans I check to see if it’s our kid free weekend and we already were spending less time together so we needed this time...and questioned him about why I wasn’t invited, were his friends’ girlfriends going etc. I lost it about that incident- he shut down and put off talking to me about it for two days which caused me to ruminate further and I felt he was intentionally punishing me. I felt so hurt. He still went out for the little two hours he wanted and it only resulted in damaging his trust in me. For me, I’m triggered by fear of losing the person- his time, attention, affection. He came to see me as high maintenance, high drama and unstable. He bailed and became depressed. To me, it was all about coming back together and reconnecting when I reacted. Of course, the one thing I wanted brought the exact opposite with my behavior. I don’t know as a hard DA why he hasn’t shut the door on me like the other girls in his past, but he’s also never been open to me since the break. Limbo world. He’s drawn a hard boundary and he’s afraid to trust me...AP under control or not. The whole thing sucks- my poor behavior by just wanting to connect and his shutting down. I don’t know if an avoidant could ever relate to the desperate AP need to reconnect anymore than I can understand an avoidant’s need to shut down and disconnect.
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Post by faithopelove on Feb 9, 2019 3:03:08 GMT
“But it seems like anxious persons are not driven to be understood no matter the consequence and even if it means walking away for good , they are driven to repair and feel safe?”
@nullified - I’d definitely think AP are driven to be understood and in order to restore a sense of calm and security. My security always came from an external force.
Personally, I would never threaten to walk away from my partner, as disconnection was my biggest fear. I’d only say I was leaving if it was actually true- and I’ve never a partner in my AP state. Only after the course of months or years and flipping to avoidant behavior over the time would I leave. Basically detaching from my partner in every way before leaving. I don’t know if it’s possible for me to leave in AP mode.
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Post by faithopelove on Feb 9, 2019 3:03:31 GMT
“But it seems like anxious persons are not driven to be understood no matter the consequence and even if it means walking away for good , they are driven to repair and feel safe?”
@nullified - I definitely think AP are driven to be understood and in order to restore a sense of calm and security. My security always came from an external force.
Personally, I would never threaten to walk away from my partner, as disconnection was my biggest fear. I’d only say I was leaving if it was actually true- and I’ve never a partner in my AP state. Only after the course of months or years and flipping to avoidant behavior over the time would I leave. Basically detaching from my partner in every way before leaving. I don’t know if it’s possible for me to leave in AP mode.
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Post by stayhappy on Feb 9, 2019 4:28:52 GMT
I’m pretty secure and when I’m in a “fight mode” and don’t usually feel fear of losing my partner or fear of intimacy or engulfment. I’m just irritated because of something and I have become really good at letting my partner know that I’m upset about something pretty fast because than I can go back to “happy mode” faster too. I find it hard to be angry at someone for too long and I experience that others can’t be angry at me for too long either.
My DA “partner” have learned that if I’m upset or when we are upset with each other it’s a moment thing but it took a lot of time to come to this place. I think it’s harder to fight with an insecure partner because they take things more personal and are in some way much more sensitive to criticism.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 10:09:27 GMT
As a DA however I was totally unaware and totally at the mercy of my conditioning which was about as far from freedom as it's possible to imagine - although at the time I thought this was what being free was all about. Ahhh the irony of the DA! I concluded a few months ago that this is true for all unaware insecure attachment types. It's a very patterned and reactive place to be, with far less free will than it appears until healing begins. Of course, it's all unconscious and freedom is only possible when you have conscious choice. That said, the lifestyle independence of DA , I believe, is only problematic if it is a source of unhappiness. But yes, all the pattern reactivity holds us captive until we work through it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 10:10:58 GMT
This is a great discussion and I really appreciate all the responses! I am going to go back and read thoroughly. Thanks everyone.
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