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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 4:36:14 GMT
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Post by alexandra on Dec 16, 2019 5:11:40 GMT
Good stuff. I often shorthand this by saying projection. Good to know there's a more specific term.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 21:54:31 GMT
Overcoupling in the sympathetic state can move to Undercoupling in the Dorsal Vagal freeze state. That's where shut down and deactivation occur. I will find more articles on coupling dynamics. Very educational - explains everything .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 23:36:31 GMT
mmm how is this different from being triggered? it sounds similar to me.
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Post by alexandra on Dec 16, 2019 23:48:13 GMT
mmm how is this different from being triggered? it sounds similar to me. It's not really different, at least from the anxious side, but it's explaining where it comes from. When insecurely attracted, it's really easy to think you're getting triggered by what's happening in front of you in the present even when it has nothing to do with that. It's not intuitive to look back and connect to seemingly unrelated past stuff. The article explains how that is often what's actually happening, though, and why.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 14:22:00 GMT
It's when unrelated things become related and develop a certain meaning for you. Say you broke your ankle severely 5 years ago. Painful traumatic history.
You're walking down the sidewalk on a sunny day, you step wrong and fall off the edge of the curb, and feel a sharp pain in your ankle. Some college students sitting smoking cigarettes on a nearby bench yell "Be careful!".
You think to yourself "Fuck you!" because you're really angry at their condescending remark- of course you know to be careful. But you're really activated in your sympathetic state, fight, because of the accident, pain, and past trauma.
Replaying the sequence, you had noticed walking, people, cigarette smoke, anger. Your nervous system can over couple some of that, create a relationship that doesn't have meaning beyond that event. You may now associate anger with people and smoking, and can go so far as to commit yourself to an anti smoking campaign, if you are not aware of the over coupling. Yes, it is a trigger but I wanted to explain the relationships, outside of what we think of as relationship triggers because it can happen with anything.
In undercoupling the opposite occurs. Things that would have a natural relationship to each other are not associated. For an avoidant yes that could be partner not associated with love. But it can happen with anything, naturally connected things becoming disconnected, because of some trauma or nervous system over ride and dampening of the nervous system. Someone who escapes reality through meditation and does not deal directly with problems (which can happen- escape meditation instead of insight) can have undercoupling, as can a jet pilot who feels no fear, etc.
I may not have everything exactly right as I am new to the concept and it was only recently explained to me. I find it very helpful.
Phobias, aversions, unhealthy attractions, etc might be understood through coupling dynamics.
Overcoupling and undercoupling can be resolved through work with the nervous system around the events that led to it. I'm experiencing some of both of these processes in SE therapy.
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Post by amber on Dec 19, 2019 20:42:45 GMT
This is fascinating. Do you think meditation can be used as a form of avoidance?o guess if you arnt doing any other inner work and you have unresolved issues it could be. I find undercoupling intriguing. Could this have to do with an incoherent narrative? I find it easy to piece the past with the present but my ex seemed to have a lot of trouble with this. He seems to connect some actions of his with feelings that to me didn’t seem related.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 21:41:56 GMT
This is fascinating. Do you think meditation can be used as a form of avoidance?o guess if you arnt doing any other inner work and you have unresolved issues it could be. I find undercoupling intriguing. Could this have to do with an incoherent narrative? I find it easy to piece the past with the present but my ex seemed to have a lot of trouble with this. He seems to connect some actions of his with feelings that to me didn’t seem related. Yes, meditation can be a form of undercoupling. My SE therapist gave that example as a zenned our meditator using escapism as a form of freeze, the avoidant adaptation .
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Post by amber on Dec 19, 2019 22:36:24 GMT
Interesting. My FA ex appeared to be so calm, relaxed, and serene, he meditates twice daily but had so many emotional issues. I think he was stuck in freeze response, but interesting how others perceived him as being very calm
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 23:24:54 GMT
Interesting. My FA ex appeared to be so calm, relaxed, and serene, he meditates twice daily but had so many emotional issues. I think he was stuck in freeze response, but interesting how others perceived him as being very calm Very likely he was stuck in freeze response. For me, meditation is not a good practice because it can take me deeper to disconnection, even if that's not my intention. I have to be careful to not just be coping with myself, a well worn pattern for me of going within to self regulate and isolate. I have to practice sharing and connection. Of course I value insight into my feelings and thoughts and that can be an outcome of meditation- but so can isolation and coping and distancing from the reality of the internal state. Freeze. It's not a fault- it's a condition. My nervous system isolates me due to conditioning. Body awareness is good, and Somatic work helps me a lot. But if I close off and just turn all my focus inward, I can lose myself to the habit of self regulating to the exclusion of connection. I think meditation may perhaps be very helpful for someone who has trouble self regulating. For me, mindful practice of being in the moment while engaged in things outside myself is an avenue of growth. Engaged and aware, and not just closed inside myself. For now I am avoiding any meditation at all because it takes me the wrong way. Mindful awareness in interaction is my key to emotional growth and awareness it seems.
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Post by alexandra on Aug 7, 2021 22:51:20 GMT
Just bumping this back to page one because I think it's one of the most helpful informational threads we've got around here!
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Post by alexandra on Feb 23, 2022 6:21:45 GMT
Bump!
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Post by alexandra on Jun 18, 2022 18:34:10 GMT
Just bumping this back to page one because I think it's one of the most helpful informational threads we've got around here! Bump!
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