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Post by lovebunny on Jan 26, 2021 17:12:50 GMT
As an anxiously attached person, I struggle to sort out how much of what feels "missing" in a relationship is actually about the relationship, vs. what can/needs to be fixed inside ME. My boyfriend of almost a year and I have noted that I experience a great deal of relationship dissatisfaction around my period. Like clockwork, I break down every 25 days. Relationship anxiety that I can often work through on my own becomes unmanageable in the hormone whirlpool and I force bf into long, searing talks attempting to get what I need. We never fight, no one raises voices, walks out or says cruel things. But we do seem to have the same conversation on a loop without resolution. Basically, we’re both pushing at the edges of our disparate comfort levels for TOGETHERNESS VS. AUTONOMY. Right now, we’re spending a little more time together than his ideal, a little less than mine. Plus, he sometimes makes decisions unilaterally that I feel we should make together. The time we do spend together is quality time, even if we're not doing anything special. He's consistent with me, there's no intermittent reinforcement. When he's with me, he's 100% focused on me. We solve *most* problems very well through communication and compromise. However, at this time, MORE of his energy flowing towards our relationship is just not on the table. He’s just not interested in spending more than 3 or 4 evenings a week and occasional days together. I agree it's too soon to move in, but I still find myself resentful when I spend nights alone, and as usual for me in a relationship, wanting more than the other person is willing or able to give. In the interest of his personal growth (he's not long out of a long term monogamous relationship) and my ever-shifting sexuality, we're also practicing ethical nonmonogamy, but that's a whole other thread: Polyamory for the Anxiously Attached . Intellectually and philosophically, I'm ok with that, except that his secondary relationship take away some of his energy flow from me (he sees her once a twice a month.) Though I'm talking to a couple of promising people, I don't yet have a connection like that of my own. I can see the work I need to do on my end, namely fill my life with more social and creative stuff, more travel, build up my life so I don’t feel his absence so keenly. Of course all that is easier said than done, especially during a pandemic. I’m a little lost on how to know how much of what’s missing in my life is between US, how much can be fixed inside ME. Common wisdom says trust your feelings, but what if your feelings are affected by old wounds and a general pessimism about relationships? It's hardly his fault that I put too much focus on him, then get discouraged and withdraw or protest until he's in tears knowing I'm about to leave him. He reassures me constantly he loves me, doesn't want to break up, like ever, and isn't trying to replace me with another woman. He's more securely attached. He is able to put down the relationship and go do other things and assumes when he returns I'll be emotionally the same spot he left me in. He is less jealous and possessive, more supportive of me finding other partners. Sadly, while he's off living his best life, even if he's just out with his guy friends, I'm often feeling wronged and breaking up with him in my head. My eggs are so scrambled I struggle to recognize if someone is treating me well or not. I don't want to do something I'll regret, dump him because I'm insecure and impatient. We genuinely enjoy each other, are amazingly sexually compatible (I admit this is very important to me) and we're open books with each other and complement each other well in many ways. I think what I'm asking is this: How does someone with scrambled eggs like mine sort out the boundaries between relationship issues and attachment issues?
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Post by anne12 on Jan 26, 2021 17:55:21 GMT
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Post by lovebunny on Jan 26, 2021 18:27:50 GMT
Wow anne12 that is super interesting! I will read that like 5 more times, thank you for drawing it to my attention. I also am in perimenopause, apparently. I actually skipped last month's period.
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Post by alexandra on Jan 26, 2021 19:33:56 GMT
When I would get PMS and was in a relationship that had underlying we issues, being extra anxious and irritable would bring all those issues to light within myself so that I couldn't stuff down my needs and ignore them. I'd then catastrophize them and my way of processing (or not processing them) would be unproductive, but I didn't make up totally non-existent issues. It was a helpful way to learn what I was suppressing and what was bothering me, but it was also not the time to try to address them because the hormones would put me in too heightened of a stress / anxious state.
So my opinion on this is you do have real we problems, but when you try to work through them in an emotionally stressed state (which is the me problem portion), you can't. You're effectively triggered anxious, which at least for me made it difficult to share my needs honestly because I was too afraid of communicating them and it leading to the other person abandoning me / I wasn't fully connected enough to myself to even understand the core problem, so it would result in talking in circles and no one feeling better and nothing resolved.
You should discuss this with him when you're not in the middle of PMS and see if you can get anywhere. Communicating it from a state that isn't aroused will make it easier for you to hear each other and problem solve. That being said, unfortunately when I had a repeating conversation like this without resolution it did reflect incompatibility. After a year, not agreeing on the amount of time you want to spend together isn't indicating the best lifestyle compatibility because one of you has been compromising at any given time without fully improving our resolving the situation adequately. So while you make a good point that you also need to figure out how to build your esteem and maybe strengthen your object permanence with him so that you aren't getting triggered anxious when he's not around (this being a "me" problem), you also have to figure out with him what amount of time together is sustainable (the we problem: lifestyle compatibility) and will make you both satisfied even if there's some compromise involved without either of you suppressing your needs in this compromise.
I think you're approaching this the right way in your head, though, in that you're asking yourself (and the board) the right questions here to sort out what's going on and how to constructively address it.
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Post by amber on Jan 27, 2021 1:08:54 GMT
I may have a different opinion on this than Alexandra. I think 3-4 nights a week together in the first year of a R/ship when You’re not living together is a lot of time. It’s so critical outside a r/ship to see friends,have your own interests and hobbies and have time on your own for reflection/ regrouping/ processing things that come up in life. Have you heard of Esther Pereal? She’s a famous psychologist who talks a lot about what makes a r/ship work is actually time apart and missing someone as opposed to being with each other all the time. I don’t think it’s healthy to spend every single day or most of your spare time with a partner... let your man miss you! Go have an awesome life outside of him...you could risk pushing him away if you are on his case about giving you more time. I am generalising here but man do value freedom more than women, and need man cave time and time with their buddies. They work differently biologically than women. Think hunter gatherer time and how men would have gone out with other men in the tribe to hunt. They wouldn’t have been sitting all day long hanging with the women lol.
I personally would struggle if a partner wanted to see me more than 3-4 days a week as it would mean having to let go of other things in life I love doing... and I’m AP too! Sounds like this may just trigger your abandonment stuff more than anything
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Post by alexandra on Jan 27, 2021 1:33:58 GMT
I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with, amber? I didn't comment on whether 3-4 days a week was a lot or not, just that there's a conflict in expectations on both sides and that's a "we" problem separate from the "me" problems also present. It's up to the two of them to be honest about their needs for time spent together and see if they can figure that out in a way that works for them both and not just one. That's really hard to do if the conversations only happen at times one of them is triggered. If time apart doesn't work for lovebunny at all because any distance makes her anxious, then that's a big AP me problem, but it didn't sound like that's the situation. I still think there's two issues going on here. Getting a better handle on the AP me side issues will make it easier to resolve the time expectation we side conflict, but both sets of problems still should be explored. And improving conflict resolution between the two generally is a we issue as well, as talking in circles longer-term instead of effectively solving a problem that's come up doesn't make anyone feel good.
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Post by anne12 on Jan 27, 2021 17:56:04 GMT
More thoughts: If your boyfreind is secure or close to secure, the ambivalent will get challenged. When love is avaliable, their doubt and their NO can come up. jebkinnisonforum.com/post/23698/Recieving and YE S: BUT... jebkinnisonforum.com/post/23503/
The experiment with the pigeons - jebkinnisonforum.com/post/23561/
jebkinnisonforum.com/post/33947/ - the ap and doubting
Live in the relationship as if you were single - jebkinnisonforum.com/post/39730/
An ambivalent who have lost themselves can be pretty draining to be with.
Your sexuality can change through your life. When you are hitting meno pause, you wiev on yourself can change and your sexuality, the way you look will change ect. What do you really think about his polyamory ? Do you want to do this yourself or is it a closed chapter ? Are you really okay with this, or are you lying to yourself ? You are allowed to change your mind.
Are you being the cool/chill girl ? jebkinnisonforum.com/post/38962/
Do you feel equal in your relationsship ? - jebkinnisonforum.com/post/39739/
Are you still in the honeymoon phase, while your partner has moved on ?
jebkinnisonforum.com/post/39732/ - how to be construtive
jebkinnisonforum.com/post/39738/ - what can a good partner do for you
More about the ambivalent and dating / having a relationship: On the unconscious level the ambivalent wants a soulmate, the only one, romance, a person who makes me happy and we can feel togetherness ect. If I am not happy, i am not together with the RIGHT person . , when i find the RIGHT person i Will become happy.
Compromising: jebkinnisonforum.com/post/32426/
What is your deeper need ?
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Post by lovebunny on Jan 27, 2021 19:21:07 GMT
These are amazingly helpful answers, much more concrete than I'd dared hope for, thank you! alexandra Yes, I think I can see that WE vs ME isn't mutually exclusive.I keep wondering what the right balance is between just letting things be, having fun and enjoying each other vs having serious talks and trying to "fix" things. Talking more during a less-emotionally-charged time couldn't hurt. I was thinking similarly at one point and brought up the idea of scheduling a weekly or monthly check-in conversation, but bf groaned and I dropped it. Maybe I'll present it again later. I'm definitely concerned that we are simply not compatible on this very large issue, not just about the amount of time spent together, but about what choices are made together, what choices are individual.
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Post by lovebunny on Jan 27, 2021 19:56:16 GMT
amber You are so right, and my head completely grasps how important it is to back off when he wants to do his own thing. My emotions, however, start telling me "He'd rather be doing that than spending time with me. He must not love me!" I often *feel* as if all I want to do is be with bf all the time, but then logically, I know that's not true. I can definitely think of times I've wanted to do things that didn't include him. Those moments may not come as often for me as they do for him, but they do happen. It occurs to me that as my last few relationships were with other women, I got used to getting a LOT of bandwidth from my partners. I'm out of practice with dudes! I'm definitely scared I'll push him away by being needy, demanding, ungrateful and closed off, bringing on the very rejection I fear. You've lit on one of my other issues: I struggle to understand what's "normal" at this stage of a relationship. I've always either moved too fast into joining at the hip, or else got frustrated because I felt I wasn't getting enough attention and jumped ship. I've tried to reality check myself by googling where a relationship "should" be at this point, and apparently, we are spending more than enough time together.
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Post by lovebunny on Jan 27, 2021 20:28:53 GMT
anne12 All that is spot on,the "Receiving" post was especially helpful. I honestly think this man tries to give me what I need (while still putting himself first) and half the time, my receptors aren't working. It's funny you should use the word "lost." That's exactly the word I used to describe how I'm feeling today. I see him giving me the love, why can't I FEEL it? It creates kind of a cognitive dissonance. I've definitely expressed not feeling equal in the relationship, we're both aware of it and I think that will make us be careful that it doesn't continue that way. And I suspect he did exit the honeymoon stage before me, but I think I'm getting there, starting to see his limitations, faults and foibles. This really struck me: "On the unconscious level the ambivalent wants a soulmate, the only one, romance, a person who makes me happy and we can feel togetherness ect.If I am not happy, i am not together with the RIGHT person . , when i find the RIGHT person i Will become happy." I would like to be happy right here, right now, with this wonderful guy who considers ME a soulmate, yet gives me lots of freedom, and engages both my love languages which are quality time and physical touch.
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Post by truerefuge on Mar 10, 2021 8:25:29 GMT
Lovebunny, can I just say thank you for your post. I've just joined the forum, and it resonates with me so much. It sounds like we have similar dynamics in our relationship, and I'm coming at this from a 12-year committed relationship, we've lived together for 10 of those years, own a house, currently planning a big life change once COVID allows.... So maybe an interesting perspective for you.
I have trauma, and a very complicated relationship with all men, especially those who trigger me in some way! One of my biggest frustrations is, after 18 months of really intensive individual therapy, which is attachment basrd, I'm still not Secure. I realised this is because the problem isn't only in me; some of it is of course, but a lot is being reinforced/constantly triggered by the dynamic in our relationship. I won't heal from this unless/until me and my partner can together learn from and about each other. Communicate better. Really understand the others needs and consider where that sits in relation to our boundaries. We are about to do joint therapy and I'm feeling cautiously hopeful, whilst focusing on my side of the street, not codependently trying to fix him/mould him to fulfil all my needs. I've finally come to terms with the fact that if we can't improve the dynamic together, I'll have to call it a day because it's too painful for me.
We had a big chat the other day and came to some really good realisations. One of our big things is "quality time". I need a fair amount; he doesn't. But it's not just quantity is it, it's what we do when we're together that makes a difference to me, at least. We both were struggling to understand what was going wrong. He mentioned he likes going on our daily walk and finds that fulfilling. On our walk the next day, I paid attention to him, listened to him, what seemed to energise him. I realised he likes the intellectual conversation. A debate - I guess pretty typical of an Avoidant, staying in safety. To me, that is not quality time. It doesn't make me feel emotionally connected to him. So he's over there thinking "We go for a walk every day and I love our chats - what is she going on about that were not spending enough quality time together!!" while I'm not being emotionally fulfilled by those chats. Build that up over a long time, and it shows that were just coming at things from totally different angles. This is why I'm hopeful for therapy, as if we can start to make these kinds of realisations together, I'm hoping we can balance out our time together a bit more so that were both fulfilled without feeling suffocated/overwhelmed (I accept he doesn't want to have a big deep talk every night, and he can accept that intellectual chats don't fulfil that emotional need in me).
I don't know if this is at all helpful, but it may be an avenue to explore: it may not be the quantity that is the problem, but the substance and what role those evenings together are playing for each of you.
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