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Post by krolle on Aug 11, 2021 8:45:50 GMT
I'm having a lot of difficulty identifying an emotion.
Something is really bothering me but I don't know why, or even what I'm really feeling.
It's the middle of the night and I feel so agitated I can't sleep. any attempt to try relax or focus my mind elsewhere are dragged powerfully back to this feeling.
Any tips for identifying/processing emotions?
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Post by annieb on Aug 11, 2021 15:33:52 GMT
I'm having a lot of difficulty identifying an emotion. Something is really bothering me but I don't know why, or even what I'm really feeling. It's the middle of the night and I feel so agitated I can't sleep. any attempt to try relax or focus my mind elsewhere are dragged powerfully back to this feeling. Any tips for identifying/processing emotions? I’m not a therapist, but I would almost avoid “identifying” the emotion, if I could. I would think about what would soothe me and why. What would be my ideal circumstance so that I would feel content in this moment. What would have to happen.
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Post by krolle on Aug 17, 2021 2:52:04 GMT
I'm having a lot of difficulty identifying an emotion. Something is really bothering me but I don't know why, or even what I'm really feeling. It's the middle of the night and I feel so agitated I can't sleep. any attempt to try relax or focus my mind elsewhere are dragged powerfully back to this feeling. Any tips for identifying/processing emotions? I’m not a therapist, but I would almost avoid “identifying” the emotion, if I could. I would think about what would soothe me and why. What would be my ideal circumstance so that I would feel content in this moment. What would have to happen. I appreciate what you are saying. But if I struggle to feel what is going on inside me, how can I know what I need to "fix" things to feel more content? Any input is appreciated.
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Post by annieb on Aug 17, 2021 3:00:59 GMT
I've only ever been able to do this with a help of a therapist, and not all three of the therapists I've had, but only one. I believe she is a total pro (she's worked as a therapist for 40 years), so I can describe how she does it. I tell a story, where I am confused and she tells a similar story from her life or a life of her patients. So it creates an empathy visual for me, and I can see myself from a place of another person. And since I look at others with more compassion, then through that route I am able to feel compassion for myself and that instantly validates my feelings. I feel a surge of dopamine and warmth.
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Post by annieb on Aug 17, 2021 3:05:35 GMT
When I have dissociated in the past, I don't really do anything, but play chess or sleep until the dissociation passes. I dissociated during a therapy session once, where I described it like I do not feel like a person at the moment. She brought me back with such love and care and compassion like a mom would. I could feel her empathy and love. So while I still do not know what those feelings are I know what I can do to soothe me and what will soothe me, and that I will always be ok.
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Post by krolle on Aug 17, 2021 4:14:09 GMT
To expand on my original post for anybody reading, I would like to document some of my experience with emotion and feelings. And some considerations which I have theorized might be relevant. Hopefully someone finds my thoughts useful.
One thing I was thinking the other day. I don't actually remember feeling hardly any positive feeling for quiet a long time.
The closest I would describe my ability to feel something slightly positive is adrenaline. High octane adrenaline filled experiences have brought a very temporary 'high' smile to my face. Plus occasionally Booze/pot. Though I recognize the poor longevity of using the first, and I rarely use the 2nd.
But without chemical aid, I have been very mindful for a while of an inability to feel pleasure, or joy, or happiness etc.
Just last night I was laid in a hammock, in a beautiful location, the temperature was pleasant, the bright orange sun getting lower over the water should have been majestic. But I tried for an hour to feel.....something. "maybe if I look at it this way? May be if I focus on the colors, maybe its because I'm alone?...Maybe if you stopped ruminating about it you d*ck!!"...but still, nothing.
I have been averse and resentful of emotions for a long time. because of the way I was brought up. But I never really thought about how many problems it has caused to be numb for so long.
For a start, I have lived the bulk of my adult life in a sort purgatory. I can't make decisions unless they are really forced on me, because without emotion or feelings you don't really want anything! I just sort of meander along in life reacting to things as they pop up. Directionless, lonely and unmotivated. There's no anticipation of feeling good about doing anything so no drive to pursue much .
Don't get me wrong. I still pursue things I need. But there's no real desire. Or hope I will enjoy it when I get it, including a relationship (which I both desperately want and desperately don't want....bacause FA). Just homestatic drives to feed myself when I am hungry, drink when I am thirsty, connect (superficially) when I'm lonely, pay bills to keep myself sheltered from the elements etc. But Food is bland, nature's majesty isn't moving. orgasms are without pleasure on the rare occasion I touch myself, mostly just a little relieving that the pressure male anatomy puts on me to climax has subsided for a little while.
I had taken for granted just how much emotion and feeling helps drive behaviour. Helps us make decisions, and provide feedback for future evaluation. I used to view my ability to be emotionally distant as a strength. And I suppose it has been in certain situations. But It has also robbed me of joy, and by extension much of a desire to engage in life.
My theory is that I lived my childhood as a very sensitive and emotional boy. But those things were unnaceptable and punished leading to a lot of trauma. So my nervous system over compensated by just going into shutdown. The system was overloaded and just crashed.
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Post by krolle on Aug 17, 2021 4:16:10 GMT
Thanks for the responses Annie. I will read them in the morning ( I wrote my post before reading yours) G'night.
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Post by tnr9 on Aug 17, 2021 13:48:13 GMT
To expand on my original post for anybody reading, I would like to document some of my experience with emotion and feelings. And some considerations which I have theorized might be relevant. Hopefully someone finds my thoughts useful. One thing I was thinking the other day. I don't actually remember feeling hardly any positive feeling for quiet a long time. The closest I would describe my ability to feel something slightly positive is adrenaline. High octane adrenaline filled experiences have brought a very temporary 'high' smile to my face. Plus occasionally Booze/pot. Though I recognize the poor longevity of using the first, and I rarely use the 2nd. But without chemical aid, I have been very mindful for a while of an inability to feel pleasure, or joy, or happiness etc. Just last night I was laid in a hammock, in a beautiful location, the temperature was pleasant, the bright orange sun getting lower over the water should have been majestic. But I tried for an hour to feel.....something. "maybe if I look at it this way? May be if I focus on the colors, maybe its because I'm alone?...Maybe if you stopped ruminating about it you d*ck!!"...but still, nothing. I have been averse and resentful of emotions for a long time. because of the way I was brought up. But I never really thought about how many problems it has caused to be numb for so long. For a start, I have lived the bulk of my adult life in a sort purgatory. I can't make decisions unless they are really forced on me, because without emotion or feelings you don't really want anything! I just sort of meander along in life reacting to things as they pop up. Directionless, lonely and unmotivated. There's no anticipation of feeling good about doing anything so no drive to pursue much . Don't get me wrong. I still pursue things I need. But there's no real desire. Or hope I will enjoy it when I get it, including a relationship (which I both desperately want and desperately don't want....bacause FA). Just homestatic drives to feed myself when I am hungry, drink when I am thirsty, connect (superficially) when I'm lonely, pay bills to keep myself sheltered from the elements etc. But Food is bland, nature's majesty isn't moving. orgasms are without pleasure on the rare occasion I touch myself, mostly just a little relieving that the pressure male anatomy puts on me to climax has subsided for a little while. I had taken for granted just how much emotion and feeling helps drive behaviour. Helps us make decisions, and provide feedback for future evaluation. I used to view my ability to be emotionally distant as a strength. And I suppose it has been in certain situations. But It has also robbed me of joy, and by extension much of a desire to engage in life. My theory is that I lived my childhood as a very sensitive and emotional boy. But those things were unnaceptable and punished leading to a lot of trauma. So my nervous system over compensated by just going into shutdown. The system was overloaded and just crashed. Have you had your dopamine/serotonin levels checked? It may be that due to your childhood, these important neurotransmitters were negatively impacted. B used to tell me all the time that he could not really feel…..he was numb a lot of the time and considered that having to check out when he was being hit with a belt by his father was at the root of that. He was also diagnosed with ADHD as a child. He had a high tolerance for alcohol and pot and often relied on them to relax. I was in a class once about attachment theory and the women who identified as avoidant struggled with the nuances of their emotions but could readily identify bodily discomfort or pain whereas…I was the opposite….I could go into great depths about my emotions but really struggled with identifying how my body felt.
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Post by krolle on Aug 17, 2021 20:09:28 GMT
To expand on my original post for anybody reading, I would like to document some of my experience with emotion and feelings. And some considerations which I have theorized might be relevant. Hopefully someone finds my thoughts useful. One thing I was thinking the other day. I don't actually remember feeling hardly any positive feeling for quiet a long time. The closest I would describe my ability to feel something slightly positive is adrenaline. High octane adrenaline filled experiences have brought a very temporary 'high' smile to my face. Plus occasionally Booze/pot. Though I recognize the poor longevity of using the first, and I rarely use the 2nd. But without chemical aid, I have been very mindful for a while of an inability to feel pleasure, or joy, or happiness etc. Just last night I was laid in a hammock, in a beautiful location, the temperature was pleasant, the bright orange sun getting lower over the water should have been majestic. But I tried for an hour to feel.....something. "maybe if I look at it this way? May be if I focus on the colors, maybe its because I'm alone?...Maybe if you stopped ruminating about it you d*ck!!"...but still, nothing. I have been averse and resentful of emotions for a long time. because of the way I was brought up. But I never really thought about how many problems it has caused to be numb for so long. For a start, I have lived the bulk of my adult life in a sort purgatory. I can't make decisions unless they are really forced on me, because without emotion or feelings you don't really want anything! I just sort of meander along in life reacting to things as they pop up. Directionless, lonely and unmotivated. There's no anticipation of feeling good about doing anything so no drive to pursue much . Don't get me wrong. I still pursue things I need. But there's no real desire. Or hope I will enjoy it when I get it, including a relationship (which I both desperately want and desperately don't want....bacause FA). Just homestatic drives to feed myself when I am hungry, drink when I am thirsty, connect (superficially) when I'm lonely, pay bills to keep myself sheltered from the elements etc. But Food is bland, nature's majesty isn't moving. orgasms are without pleasure on the rare occasion I touch myself, mostly just a little relieving that the pressure male anatomy puts on me to climax has subsided for a little while. I had taken for granted just how much emotion and feeling helps drive behaviour. Helps us make decisions, and provide feedback for future evaluation. I used to view my ability to be emotionally distant as a strength. And I suppose it has been in certain situations. But It has also robbed me of joy, and by extension much of a desire to engage in life. My theory is that I lived my childhood as a very sensitive and emotional boy. But those things were unnaceptable and punished leading to a lot of trauma. So my nervous system over compensated by just going into shutdown. The system was overloaded and just crashed. Have you had your dopamine/serotonin levels checked? It may be that due to your childhood, these important neurotransmitters were negatively impacted. B used to tell me all the time that he could not really feel…..he was numb a lot of the time and considered that having to check out when he was being hit with a belt by his father was at the root of that. He was also diagnosed with ADHD as a child. He had a high tolerance for alcohol and pot and often relied on them to relax. I was in a class once about attachment theory and the women who identified as avoidant struggled with the nuances of their emotions but could readily identify bodily discomfort or pain whereas…I was the opposite….I could go into great depths about my emotions but really struggled with identifying how my body felt. Very interesting about you being able to feel your emotions but not your body. I'm the other way round. I'm very somatic, but emotionally numb. And we are both FA and HSP. Hmmmm.. I have seen a pattern of anxious types being at least outwardly more emotional. And avoidant types less so. I guess that's quiet logical seeing as an avoidant person tends to avoid difficult feelings as a coping mechanism. Also interesting you took a class on attachment styles? In terms of my neurochemistry then 100% it's all out of whack. No motivation, inability to experience pleasure or reward. Classic signs of depression. Also the way adrenaline cheers me up. I'd put money on dopamine/ seratonin problems. And that on top an incredibly stressful period of my life. I haven't forgotten our conversation about your experience with Meds. And I have had a conversation with my doctor about it. Just massive psychological barriers to me pulling the trigger
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Post by tnr9 on Aug 17, 2021 20:50:31 GMT
Have you had your dopamine/serotonin levels checked? It may be that due to your childhood, these important neurotransmitters were negatively impacted. B used to tell me all the time that he could not really feel…..he was numb a lot of the time and considered that having to check out when he was being hit with a belt by his father was at the root of that. He was also diagnosed with ADHD as a child. He had a high tolerance for alcohol and pot and often relied on them to relax. I was in a class once about attachment theory and the women who identified as avoidant struggled with the nuances of their emotions but could readily identify bodily discomfort or pain whereas…I was the opposite….I could go into great depths about my emotions but really struggled with identifying how my body felt. Very interesting about you being able to feel your emotions but not your body. I'm the other way round. I'm very somatic, but emotionally numb. And we are both FA and HSP. Hmmmm.. I have seen a pattern of anxious types being at least outwardly more emotional. And avoidant types less so. I guess that's quiet logical seeing as an avoidant person tends to avoid difficult feelings as a coping mechanism. Also interesting you took a class on attachment styles? In terms of my neurochemistry then 100% it's all out of whack. No motivation, inability to experience pleasure or reward. Classic signs of depression. Also the way adrenaline cheers me up. I'd put money on dopamine/ seratonin problems. And that on top an incredibly stressful period of my life. I haven't forgotten our conversation about your experience with Meds. And I have had a conversation with my doctor about it. Just massive psychological barriers to me pulling the trigger I find it interesting as well….and another thing that struck me…..without knowing physically where I “end”…..I had a hard time with enmeshment. I also had a hard time with boundaries…which I think is a big complaint of avoidant attachment leaning individuals. There is this assumption that anxious attachment leaning individuals step over boundaries purposefully…..but I think….at least in my case….I numbed my body signals and thus my boundaries in order to try to have a relationship with my mom (who has huge boundaries). So I had absolutely no idea I was walking over a boundary until it was pretty obvious…based on her getting angry or pulling away. I was very in touch with my emotions from an early age. I was colicky as a baby and I was difficult as a toddler is how my mom puts it. The class was called restarting and it is a 3 part Christian set of classes…..forming, restarting and belonging. Restarting went into the 4 attachment styles.
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Post by krolle on Aug 17, 2021 22:09:06 GMT
I've only ever been able to do this with a help of a therapist, and not all three of the therapists I've had, but only one. I believe she is a total pro (she's worked as a therapist for 40 years), so I can describe how she does it. I tell a story, where I am confused and she tells a similar story from her life or a life of her patients. So it creates an empathy visual for me, and I can see myself from a place of another person. And since I look at others with more compassion, then through that route I am able to feel compassion for myself and that instantly validates my feelings. I feel a surge of dopamine and warmth. That's pretty smart of her. I guess 40 years is a lot of experience. I also tend to treat other more favorably. So maybe I'll see if I can do some approximation of that activity solo. Though it looks like you might be able to access that dopamine and warmth easier than me.....just a guess of course. Would you describe yourself as quiet an imaginative person?
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Post by annieb on Aug 18, 2021 14:47:55 GMT
Yes, I’m a very imaginative person. I work in a creative field, so it comes in handy. But in my personal life the imagination does not serve me as well, I’m strongly discouraged by my therapist to daydream 😅.
I’m also medicated for ADHD and depression, so I have more access to dopamine on a regular day than I would without medication. But the fantasy, daydreaming and creativity was how I would get dopamine before unaware and unmedicated. I would go on grand artistic journey’s and make art and design things and homes and while I had relative success in that it was not sustainable. I would crash and would then have no energy to pick up where I left off. Typical ADHD stuff. I’m still in the creative field of design, but my approach is more methodical nowadays.
The call it ADHD, but in my case it’s closely related to the trauma and attachment stuff as well. There is a lot of information on the boards about the connection and Gabor Mate is the author, who writes about this. I did not have ADHD as a child, but I always had a drawing talent growing up, even as 2-3 years old, throughout my childhood and I was strongly encouraged then by teachers to then pursue art. So some of that imagination stuff comes with that. Good and bad.
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Post by tnr9 on Aug 18, 2021 15:09:13 GMT
Yes, I’m a very imaginative person. I work in a creative field, so it comes in handy. But in my personal life the imagination does not serve me as well, I’m strongly discouraged by my therapist to daydream 😅. I’m also medicated for ADHD and depression, so I have more access to dopamine on a regular day than I would without medication. But the fantasy, daydreaming and creativity was how I would get dopamine before unaware and unmedicated. I would go on grand artistic journey’s and make art and design things and homes and while I had relative success in that it was not sustainable. I would crash and would then have no energy to pick up where I left off. Typical ADHD stuff. I’m still in the creative field of design, but my approach is more methodical nowadays. The call it ADHD, but in my case it’s closely related to the trauma and attachment stuff as well. There is a lot of information on the boards about the connection and Gabor Mate is the author, who writes about this. I did not have ADHD as a child, but I always had a drawing talent growing up, even as 2-3 years old, throughout my childhood and I was strongly encouraged then by teachers to then pursue art. So some of that imagination stuff comes with that. Good and bad. That is really interesting….I too was artistic from a young age, but it was writing short stories and poetry. I feel as Eve must have upon first seeing Adam…. to feel a connection somewhere inside your chest. What can a simple rib offer? And yet, the yearning is so palpable. As the rib tries desperately to reattach the skin that covers moves and sighs. It is a language old as time, reflecting back God’s grace as He joined two separate entities. Like jigsaw pieces…a bump here, a curve there, a long stretch of flatness, how amazing is our design. We fit, rib upon rib, soul against soul.
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