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Post by dexter on Jan 14, 2022 12:50:42 GMT
You know what dexter ? You used the convo about a visit with the boy to mention that you feel pressured and manipulated, and you need to stop that crap. Seriously, you are now acting like a victim and throwing him into the middle of it, he's the only and I mean the ONLY victim here. I can have some sympathy up until the point you do stuff like that and make excuses on here. It's atrocious the way you two behave concerning this child and I don't condone your tantrums with her. I agree you need to get out of the picture. It's absurd, and tragic.
I am sorry I've triggered so much negative emotions in you.
I didn't used convo for mentioning that I felt pressure. I was in fact pressured in a not nice way. She made me feel guilty, ashamed of leaving the kid, put a blame on me, and even told me how she felt when she was 8 and her stepdad left her for good. She didn't put an effort into relationship, run away from therapy, deactivated, then was trying to manipulate me into "situationship" in December. It was her decision to leave relationship and to deny any knowledge we've gained and a need to growth and understand each other. And now she claims that is my responsibility to stay forever in kid's life. What I've said was me putting a boundary - I don't want to feel manipulated, I don't want power struggle, I want a teamwork in coping things with kid. I didn't want to drag her again into therapy, It is not my agenda. My agenda is only related to ME. As I've said before, and alexandra wonderfully pointed it out, she clearly have problems with regulating kid's emotions and helping him process the separation. I offered my help, but eventually she rejected it almost week ago, claiming that if I can't guarantee that I will be always and forever available in kid's life, we should cut it off right now. Fine by me. Still, her kid is calling me almost every day, saying how much he loves me and want me to be with him. It is emotionally tough for me and I suppose she just isn't able to communicate him properly and firmly that me and his mum split forever.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 19:56:35 GMT
dexter, when parents who don't get along because they are toxic together separate, it's time to make it about the kid and not about their own feelings. You're still trying to get blood from a turnip from her, and it's as if you are unable to function with her unless she makes you feel the way you want to feel. If you want to be in the kids life you will have to realize that she isn't going to be who and what you want her to be, and that you're an adult who can manage your own emotions about that while serving the best interests of the boy. As it is, you two are both inconsistent, unreliable, and focused on your own dynamic and he's suffering for that. A cancelled visit because you two have to fight is damaging and unfair to him.
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Post by dexter on Jan 15, 2022 16:37:23 GMT
I can't be in her kid's life. We peacefully came to an agreement on that. She wanted me to guarantee her that I will not leave him in the future, due to my possible new relationship or other circumstances. I was ready to meet him for a month or so and maybe try to seek outside help of children therapist, if she alone is unable to process him through separation. I am very anxious and still preocuppied about my ex and relationship with her, and it really affects my life and mental health. I am addicted. My strong belief that we are not meant to each other due to attachment incompatibility is to less to keep my pain away. I need to cut it off. I can't imagine myself in a strange situationship, where I am coparenting not even being a bio father (which in fact exist and should take his responsibility). Whats more, the kid wants us to be a family again. He still insist that he will help us rekindle. That is unhealthy for all parties involved. We need to deattach. All of us. I know I might be seen as irresponsible or non-sensitive, but believe, all that situation is very painful for me. I feel a tragic drama without good outcome. Still, he calls me from his mum's Phone nearly everyday. Telling me how much he loves me and asks when do I come back. Today morning he sent me a picture of his mum in a new haircut. Few hours later she called me on random thing and asked me if she could come and borrow it, but I was away from town. All of that raises my anxiety and longing. I feel trapped. I know I can't block her or tell to never call me again.
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Post by dexter on May 21, 2023 12:55:54 GMT
Hello everyone! Hope you doing well!
I think I need to vent, but I am also looking for some insight, different perspective, which might could help me to move on. Because I am struggling with it. I feel like I’ve moved on through some stages of grieving, deattaching, even anger, but right now I am stuck.
First, some background. Me and my ex cut communication over a year ago to a minimum, which mean contact between me and my stepson. He facetimed me few times a week, we played games, had fun, learn basic maths and reading. It was tough for both of us having no actual physical contact, but at some point we get used to it, and it became our ritual. May 2022 and suddenly my ex calls me in the middle of a day – she had a traffic accident (nothing serious) and her anxiety and neurotism went very high. She asked me for help. Of course I did help. I took care of everything. We’ve opened lines of communication. She invited me to dinner (just to thank me for my help), but I declined, due to obvious reasons. At this point I was very firm in my believe, that there is no future for our relationship. But we called each other from time to time, in the beginning it was casual, then she started to open up. She was grieving the loss of our „stable family life” (sic!), had anxiety issues. I think I was at the time in a better place in my life than her. In July I invited her for a dinner. It was really great, despite being casual. Few days later we’had a long relationship talk on the phone, for the first time since winter. No accusations, no power struggle, just talking about our own issues and its part of relationship dynamics. I’ve heard literally everything I would like to hear from her on our short couple counselling before break up. Damn, I gave it a shot. We’ve met in person and I told her I am ready to give it a try, taking small steps. I gave her space to think about it, but of course she went radio silence. I called her, she stated that her anxiety and fear skyrocketed, she felt almost physical hurt in her stomach, and she was dealing with insomnia since our dinner. Her therapist told her it’s her body telling her that she should run away from this relationship. I didn’t dealt with it, went radio silence, just stayed in contact with my stepson as before. Week later she called me out of the blue, crying. She went with her friend and her kids on a vacation. They rent a summer house, but it was terrible, no lake nearby, no woods, just a stinky farm and fields everywhere. It was her friend’s choice. I know it was a bit stupid, but I proposed that I will prepare my own summer house, which is very close to their place. It was „our” place, we spent there a lot of time, kid loved it, lake with a beach, woods and comfortable house. I know I might acted like a guy with no dignity, but I was doing it more for my stepson than her. So next day morning I went 200km away to my summer house to turn on electricity, water pump, etc. I called her that its ready and I am leaving keys in a safe place – because we agreed (which I wasn’t sure was right) that there will be no meetings in person with my stepson, so he wouldn’t have false hope that we reconcile, and me and my ex could move on instead of meeting regularly. But she insisted on me to wait for them, because kid is waiting to meet me and will be very dissapointed. I was shocked of this sudden change of mind (week ago she event told it would be best to go full no contact and even slowly cease my contact with stepson). But when they came…well, I was a happiest person in this world. My stepson was cuddling with me, telling me that I am his dad and he is my son, best I would have (funny little smartguy). We spent a whole day together, and it was so good, felt like back home. When I was leaving, kid cried, my ex cried, I cried. Spontaneusly I proposed a yachting day when I come back from my 3-week trip (I was leaving day after). When I was on my trip, she called me almost everyday. Damn, she is such a great human being, caring and open when not shut down and acting cold (even to the point of being aggresive). A day before our yachting, she suddenly changed. She acted cold, had doubts if we should spend day together. Unfortunately I made a huge step back with my attachment issues, because I pushed her, made her feel guilty for her son’s feelings – he would be very dissapointed, and that was true. But I’ve put a pressure, like in the past in our relationship, when she was distancing. On the other hand, she should have some responsibility and consistency. Look, she pushed me as well – into meeting my stepson at my summer house, despite I was OK that we had no physical contact since 8 months. When we met, I almost physically felt her anxiousness and fear. I tried to be as gentle as I could, trying to show that I understand her. She calmed down, yachting was great and overall it was really great day. But I knew what was coming. I gave her space and week later called her (she didn’t call me, my stepson did not as well, which was weird). It was a brief talk, again she had mental health issues, skyrocketed anxiety and fears. I asked if I can talk to a kid, she said that he is tired and she don’t want to excite him before sleep. I knew it was as an excuse, but I agreed. Few days later she didn’t answer my phone and one message I’ve sent – was left on read. So that was it. It’s been 8 months of no contact since then, apart from a very strange phone call from her mother. It was very superficial small talk asking me how I am, how my life is going. I am in a dark place of my life today. My new business startup project, into which I invested a lot is not bringing me expected profits. My father has a cancer diagnosis. My mother is toxic, controlling, judgemental and acts without compassion when I try to seek suport from her. She’s even aggresive when I mention that I miss my stepkid, last time she called him „small stinky fart”, and that something is not right with me because I miss a kid that is not my blood. My two best friends helped me a lot a year ago, but they have their own problems, and I feel it is inappropriate to complain. And I don’t need advice, because I know what they will tell me – just let it go, forget, meet someone. I don’t want to meet anyone, socially I act quite avoidant right now. I am not interested in romantic relationships, I found woman that I met unattractive to me. I am comparing them to my ex. Yes, she was great, it was a match, apart from this terrible attachment incompatibility. And no, I am not idealizing her. I remember how bad it was, when we were „dancing”.
It’s been 8 months of no contact. First months were really good for me, I felt my healing is going linear, I was doing really fine. Christmas time was quite tough, because every Xmas was a special time for us, and I have only good, warm memories and feelings. But it was just a few days, it passed.
Unfortunately about a month ago, I felt a loss of my stepson and my ex, my stable (as stupid as it sounds) life, where I had a purpose, where I was needed, where I got a sense of life, raising together kid, watching movies and cuddling, planning trips, yachting, cooking and taking care of our home. I suppose this amplify in emotions is strictly connected to my life situation at this moment. Deep inside I am still attached to her, in a way that I never experienced before in my life, because even when I was dumped in my life after LTR, I moved on quite quickly and in a textbook linear way. I know that I should (really?) have my own suport system within myself. Am I so flawed that I can’t handle? I feel very, very lonely. And the more lonely I am, the less capable of forming a new relationship. I was on a few dates two months ago. I had zero enthusiasm and I was asking myself what I was doing here. Both women were physically attractive to me, but I’ve lost any interest after first date. Over these 8 months I resisted a temptation to text my ex. In fact I have this urge very strong since last month. I saw my stepson and my ex downtown (we live in a small city). They didn’t see me. I had lot of emotions. I know nothing about her life, she knows nothing about me I suppose (apart from what I told her mother – that life is good generally). I really would be happy to know how is my stepson, what’s in their life, is everything OK. The part of me understands, that deep down I didn’t detach. But I still do care for them. Yes, for my ex too. I don’t know if this is love. I keep asking myself.
I do not contact her because of two main reasons. I do not want to bother her, make a turmoil in her life. She chose to cut contact, I am not angry, I understand how hard it was for her to cope with (all these emotions between us). I am trying to respect it. Second reason is that I ask myself „what for?”. What would the outcome look like? Being friends? Not possible. Reconnecting? Aw come on. Do I fear being rejected? No, I do not. Sometimes I feel that I am doomed to finally contact her. But in this very moment I decide to wait and rethink it when I will be in a better mental place. It works. But it is so exhausting. I think about a lobotomy or sometimes just giving up life.
If you get to this point, thank you very much. I know it was a pain in the ass, because my English is less than average Hugs to everyone!
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Post by alexandra on May 21, 2023 17:25:01 GMT
Healing isn't linear. So there's no need to have this expectation of yourself that it is. Add grieving: you're probably starting to grieve over your dad's diagnosis, even if he overcomes his disease, and it seems to be getting projected out somewhat in grieving the loss of your stepson again. It is normal for grief not to be linear, either.
You don't need to date to move on right now. You're completely emotionally unavailable at the moment due to you not having real capacity for others because of all the stress and bad news you're dealing with, and the fact that you are stuck and don't know how to process through it. Your ex will seem like a fantasy respite from this. You don't have to be idealizing her in order for her to serve her purpose as an equally unavailable idea for you to stick with to keep you protected from being vulnerable or intimate or connected with other people (avoidance, for now). You don't know how to fully support yourself through this, so of course you miss feeling like you were more connected and showing up for others in a family unit, which also allowed you to minimize focusing on yourself and your own immediate needs, a bandaid in some ways to not have to go deeper and deal with the rest of what is difficult in your life and background.
Are you currently able to access mental health care? What you need has nothing to do with your ex and her family right now, no contact remains good, because you have a lot going on and need the mental space to focus on yourself. However, no contact only "works" if you're processing, healing, and growing in the space. Otherwise, it is more like a pause that doesn't serve its purpose, as you found out by falling back into the same pattern with your ex immediately upon reestablishing contact. So, none of this is about her. It is about you seeking help and support from someone who is good at helping you work through your stress, bad feelings, family issues with your parents, work issues, feelings of desperation towards yourself, and your emotional availability. You're right that your friends aren't therapists and aren't the ones to help you fix these struggles, although it is still good to see them for healthy friendly support, hang out with them, have fun with them, don't feel bad if you sometimes want to express concern, frustration, or fear in dealing with your father's condition to them, and connect in other ways that are not the heavy lifting you need to do in the list above. But you do need other serious help in order to help yourself than the people currently in your life are capable of giving, especially if you are having intrusive thoughts about taking drastic actions to end your pain. That doesn't mean you're flawed, it's okay to need help. It is actually a strength to admit it, as you'd be honoring and prioritizing your own needs.
Do not look for any support at all from your mom, she is least capable of helping and probably caused a lot of your processing difficulties now. She cannot fulfill any of your needs or expectations.
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Post by dexter on May 22, 2023 10:17:09 GMT
Hello alexandra,
Thank you for your response. Yes, I attend therapy, but right now I can safely afford only two session per month. It's more like a venting, than real therapy. But there are some good insights and conclusions. Most important one for me is that on a rational level, I'ce decided to salvage this relationship, move on with my life and never look back. But deep down, hidden within my emotions, that relationship with my ex and my stepson still is alive. I have irrational resistance to delete our photos (even that I didn't watch them, because afraid of pain I could experience) or her phone number. Irreversibility of such move is frightening. When I am asked straight if I would like to reconcile - my answer is no and it's honest on the rational level. My therapist surfaced a hope within me. A hope which my rational mind can't explain.
I won't take any drastic actions. Future is unknown, there can be a lot of good things out there for me. But now it's like feeling of giving up is a relief. Sometimes.
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Post by alexandra on May 23, 2023 19:24:33 GMT
dexter, disconnection brings on an overwhelming survival response for AP / anxious FA. That's why you cannot delete the photos etc. My life really changed when I decided I needed to battle those triggers and do what was right for myself, the first time I ever went no contact with an FA partner I loved at the time. It felt horrible, like there was no way it would make anything better, like my body and brain were screaming not to do it I couldn't do it, and rationally I knew I had to try something different and my attachment issues were activated, so I FORCED myself. We were out of contact nearly a year, and it still felt wrong for 3 months. Until it stopped feeling wrong and I started seeing my own agency in caring for my own well-being. So, your response in feeling that way is normal, though sometimes you need to try something different and give it a chance over a period of time to see how it goes. Like taking medicine that tastes bad or makes you feel uncomfortable when you are sick, because intellectually you know that once it has a chance to start working, there will be improvement. In regards to going to therapy, that is good, but if after all this time it's still mostly venting sessions, then perhaps you should be exploring if a different therapist would be a better fit? Some people want therapists who just listen and don't challenge them, and then you're spending a lot of money for nothing to change. But you may be better served with one who can help guide you better and give you better tools to deal with your issues so that you aren't thinking about self-harm.
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