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Post by Hypatia on Nov 26, 2021 2:45:38 GMT
I’m on anti-depressants and seeing a therapist weekly. Doing work on inner child, as I have huge abandonment issues. It’s so f-ing hard. I feel like I was tossed away like garbage. Yeah I feel you. it literally makes you feel like garbage when this happens. So disposable. I described the way I felt to a friend recently after it happened to me and the word I used was worthless. But that's flawed thinking on our part. The discard is mostly to do with their subconscious. Being on the other side of things. I had previous partners that were absolutely beautiful, and kind and just wonderful women in so many ways I should have considered myself unbelievably lucky that they were interested in me. But my nervous system had other ideas. It convinced me to only my see their flaws, and then the inability to deal with feelings of guilt and shame made me basically ignore that I might be hurting them by leaving. Instead convincing me that they were not right in some way, or too clingy, or too this, or too that..... It really is a total mind F**k for both parties. Though having experienced both sides, the anxious side is by far the most exquisitely painful to be on. But there are pros and cons to everything. It's the anxious side that pushes most of us to search for answers and end up here. In other words after time is a factor, you are the one most likely to end up in a satisfying relationship if you do the right things. Whereas an unaware avoidant will likely continue to feel distant, lonely and unfulfilled. And not search for answers to fix it. In short your pain will likely be an asset long term. Also be aware, most of us struggle or struggled with this. I find a familiar pattern on this forum is that many of us are able to help someone else, and sound knowledgeable and eloquent when we do. But in the threads we start ourselves we sound like desperate children, heart broken and confused. You will find a little solace in the shared pain and communication offered here. It's a good place to process how you feel and gain understanding. It’s strange because as cruel and cold and mean as he was, he asks my friend about me, she said he seems sad and “lost”. I simply don’t understand. I would have sworn up and down that he loved me, but then it just snapped and he flipped. I realize everyone here has gone through this, but I haven’t so it’s such a shock and a slap to my face. Do FAs regret? Do they have self awareness to know that what he did to me was so wrong (the way he broke up and left). He’s emotionally very immature, I see now, and I doubt I’ll hear from him again, but I do hope he feels a little of the pain I feel. And maybe in time, realizes what he has lost.
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Post by anne12 on Nov 26, 2021 3:09:14 GMT
Try to read about the 3 parted brain Reptile, limbic, prefrontal cortex Heres a hand demonstration by Dan Siegel - youtu.be/WkEcpBU3TpEyoutu.be/zovtRq4e2E8He properly got way out of his window of tolerance - youtu.be/Wcm-1FBrDvUMaybe he has collapsed, maybe he is in a freeze State, maybe his done, maybe he feels shame, maybe he dosent know how to apologisze even if it’s over, maybe he feels embarased, just maybe….. When people are in survival then there is no room for love, because the person is busy trying to survive. People can only have let’s say 5% desorganized attatchmentstyle, but these 5% can be the reason for all the trouble in people’s love life. He can still have feelings for you, but that doesn’t mean that he wants to come back to you. Unfortuanely some people will never apologize for their behavior and you can sit and wait for it for the rest of your life. Being able to see yourself from the outside and others from the inside takes hard work.
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Post by alexandra on Nov 26, 2021 5:02:12 GMT
My ex did the exact same to me, with the asking and the sadness and it seeming not to make sense. The only way through it is processing on your end, which you're already discussing on the AP board. On the FA side, some of it is conscious, some isn't, there's usually a lot of dissociation, fear, and defense mechanisms involved. So the way he may "regret" it isn't the same as how you feel or are looking for him to feel. It's very difficult to have any insecure attachment style, FA or AP. It's painful but it manifests in different ways. He may numb out and lead with avoidance first and feel the absence later. But it's most likely this is added to his personal list of ways he doesn't measure up. Which will become life regret, shame, wondering what's wrong with him... he may or may not ever tie it back to how he treated you specifically, as anne12 said. But he'll have existential pain that he doesn't understand which will continue until he processes whatever trauma, pain, and insecurity led him to this point. If that ever happens. None of that is within your control, and also as Anne said, even if he did have some clarity and come back, that doesn't mean he's interested in trying again or that the relationship wouldn't play out exactly the same way if he was (mine came back and repeated exactly, even though I was recovering from my AP style and acted completely differently, and it was still painful but the dysfunctional cycle completed much faster the second time). But I've had all these thoughts you're having, will he ever realize what he lost, did it mean anything, will he hurt... it's normal to wonder, and if you stay focused on yourself, you'll eventually realize how he chooses to handle his journey (for lack of a better and less cheesy word) doesn't matter. If he's destined to keep repeating himself and staying stuck, it's his choice. You don't need to be held back with him.
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Post by Hypatia on Nov 26, 2021 5:29:37 GMT
My ex did the exact same to me, with the asking and the sadness and it seeming not to make sense. The only way through it is processing on your end, which you're already discussing on the AP board. On the FA side, some of it is conscious, some isn't, there's usually a lot of dissociation, fear, and defense mechanisms involved. So the way he may "regret" it isn't the same as how you feel or are looking for him to feel. It's very difficult to have any insecure attachment style, FA or AP. It's painful but it manifests in different ways. He may numb out and lead with avoidance first and feel the absence later. But it's most likely this is added to his personal list of ways he doesn't measure up. Which will become life regret, shame, wondering what's wrong with him... he may or may not ever tie it back to how he treated you specifically, as anne12 said. But he'll have existential pain that he doesn't understand which will continue until he processes whatever trauma, pain, and insecurity led him to this point. If that ever happens. None of that is within your control, and also as Anne said, even if he did have some clarity and come back, that doesn't mean he's interested in trying again or that the relationship wouldn't play out exactly the same way if he was (mine came back and repeated exactly, even though I was recovering from my AP style and acted completely differently, and it was still painful but the dysfunctional cycle completed much faster the second time). But I've had all these thoughts you're having, will he ever realize what he lost, did it mean anything, will he hurt... it's normal to wonder, and if you stay focused on yourself, you'll eventually realize how he chooses to handle his journey (for lack of a better and less cheesy word) doesn't matter. If he's destined to keep repeating himself and staying stuck, it's his choice. You don't need to be held back with him. I appreciate this thoughtful response. It's been about 35 days since we broke up, so the wound is fresh and bleeding. I believe he does feel for me, but he's so proud, so resentful (because he couldnt communicate), so fearful. And with his abusive he was, he sabotaged any chance of us ever being friends. It's a confusing and very, very painful experience, once I have never experienced before. At least it has led me down the path of working on my own attachment issues.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 5:41:31 GMT
My ex did the exact same to me, with the asking and the sadness and it seeming not to make sense. The only way through it is processing on your end, which you're already discussing on the AP board. On the FA side, some of it is conscious, some isn't, there's usually a lot of dissociation, fear, and defense mechanisms involved. So the way he may "regret" it isn't the same as how you feel or are looking for him to feel. It's very difficult to have any insecure attachment style, FA or AP. It's painful but it manifests in different ways. He may numb out and lead with avoidance first and feel the absence later. But it's most likely this is added to his personal list of ways he doesn't measure up. Which will become life regret, shame, wondering what's wrong with him... he may or may not ever tie it back to how he treated you specifically, as anne12 said. But he'll have existential pain that he doesn't understand which will continue until he processes whatever trauma, pain, and insecurity led him to this point. If that ever happens. None of that is within your control, and also as Anne said, even if he did have some clarity and come back, that doesn't mean he's interested in trying again or that the relationship wouldn't play out exactly the same way if he was (mine came back and repeated exactly, even though I was recovering from my AP style and acted completely differently, and it was still painful but the dysfunctional cycle completed much faster the second time). But I've had all these thoughts you're having, will he ever realize what he lost, did it mean anything, will he hurt... it's normal to wonder, and if you stay focused on yourself, you'll eventually realize how he chooses to handle his journey (for lack of a better and less cheesy word) doesn't matter. If he's destined to keep repeating himself and staying stuck, it's his choice. You don't need to be held back with him. I appreciate this thoughtful response. It's been about 35 days since we broke up, so the wound is fresh and bleeding. I believe he does feel for me, but he's so proud, so resentful (because he couldnt communicate), so fearful. And with his abusive he was, he sabotaged any chance of us ever being friends. It's a confusing and very, very painful experience, once I have never experienced before. At least it has led me down the path of working on my own attachment issues. I'm sorry for the excruciating pain of this, but also wanted to encourage you that you're really wise and strong to look for the answers inside of yourself as to your own attachment issues that might have made you vulnerable to this encounter. Often by examining your own patterns, beliefs or blind spots you can find early signs or signals that could have been red flags, had you known to look for them. I have found that there were always red flags and areas where I didn't listen to my deep self, or that I minimized or misunderstood things that would have my keen attention now. Or I settled somehow, because I didn't think I myself was much of a catch so low self esteem was involved even if I wasn't consciously aware of that at the time. Heck, it was confusing and messy when I look back. But- it does get better and you grow a lot by introspecting and seeking support as you are.
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Post by Hypatia on Nov 26, 2021 7:56:20 GMT
I appreciate this thoughtful response. It's been about 35 days since we broke up, so the wound is fresh and bleeding. I believe he does feel for me, but he's so proud, so resentful (because he couldnt communicate), so fearful. And with his abusive he was, he sabotaged any chance of us ever being friends. It's a confusing and very, very painful experience, once I have never experienced before. At least it has led me down the path of working on my own attachment issues. I'm sorry for the excruciating pain of this, but also wanted to encourage you that you're really wise and strong to look for the answers inside of yourself as to your own attachment issues that might have made you vulnerable to this encounter. Often by examining your own patterns, beliefs or blind spots you can find early signs or signals that could have been red flags, had you known to look for them. I have found that there were always red flags and areas where I didn't listen to my deep self, or that I minimized or misunderstood things that would have my keen attention now. Or I settled somehow, because I didn't think I myself was much of a catch so low self esteem was involved even if I wasn't consciously aware of that at the time. Heck, it was confusing and messy when I look back. But- it does get better and you grow a lot by introspecting and seeking support as you are. Indeed. At first, I wasn’t even that attracted by him, but he was so eager, so complimentary, did so many kind things for me and seemed so innocent (at 33) because everything was a new experience for him. He never had a girlfriend as an adult, but he sure slept around. That alone should have put me off...a 33 year old man who never had a real girlfriend? But I pushed it away because I was so in love with being desired, wanted, chased, seen as some wonderful object by this man. He man, did he say things and make plans. And when we moved in together, I was terrified, and said so...but just went with it because it felt so damn good to be loved. And when it all imploded and he just LEFT, I couldn’t believe it. It triggered every old wound I had in me. Totally saw red flags (one small argument of sorts and he wouldn’t speak to me for two days) but I ignored it because of how he made me feel. In the end, how much of this misery and pain is because he took that feeling away, and how much is HIM? I don’t know yet.
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Post by stitchfull on Nov 26, 2021 10:13:27 GMT
Sorry to hear this Hypatia. I hope you're alright. I'm in a similar situation following a break up with someone who I suspect is an FA. I'm trying to work on myself to get to a point where if he comes back, great, if not, I'll be okay nonetheless. I’m on anti-depressants and seeing a therapist weekly. Doing work on inner child, as I have huge abandonment issues. It’s so f-ing hard. I feel like I was tossed away like garbage. Also seeing a therapist weekly for the first time in my life. I'm not sure if it's helping though. I'm on day 28 of NC, he texted last week to ask if I was okay and I responded to say I was okay but no further response from there. I honestly thought I'd feel better after a month but it feels like it's not really getting any better. I feel like we're going through the same thing, feel free to DM me.
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Post by Hypatia on Nov 26, 2021 12:35:26 GMT
I’m on anti-depressants and seeing a therapist weekly. Doing work on inner child, as I have huge abandonment issues. It’s so f-ing hard. I feel like I was tossed away like garbage. Also seeing a therapist weekly for the first time in my life. I'm not sure if it's helping though. I'm on day 28 of NC, he texted last week to ask if I was okay and I responded to say I was okay but no further response from there. I honestly thought I'd feel better after a month but it feels like it's not really getting any better. I feel like we're going through the same thing, feel free to DM me. I’ll DM you! I find therapy helpful because my friends will surely go through “drama fatigue ” and I’m quite sensitive and to annoying people or seeming like a burden. I’ve mostly kept it to myself, so therapy is a release...and she helps put things into perspective. Especially naming this as triggered childhood trauma, and telling me that it isn’t my fault.
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Post by krolle on Nov 26, 2021 13:24:13 GMT
I'm sorry for the excruciating pain of this, but also wanted to encourage you that you're really wise and strong to look for the answers inside of yourself as to your own attachment issues that might have made you vulnerable to this encounter. Often by examining your own patterns, beliefs or blind spots you can find early signs or signals that could have been red flags, had you known to look for them. I have found that there were always red flags and areas where I didn't listen to my deep self, or that I minimized or misunderstood things that would have my keen attention now. Or I settled somehow, because I didn't think I myself was much of a catch so low self esteem was involved even if I wasn't consciously aware of that at the time. Heck, it was confusing and messy when I look back. But- it does get better and you grow a lot by introspecting and seeking support as you are. Indeed. At first, I wasn’t even that attracted by him, but he was so eager, so complimentary, did so many kind things for me and seemed so innocent (at 33) because everything was a new experience for him. He never had a girlfriend as an adult, but he sure slept around. That alone should have put me off...a 33 year old man who never had a real girlfriend? But I pushed it away because I was so in love with being desired, wanted, chased, seen as some wonderful object by this man. He man, did he say things and make plans. And when we moved in together, I was terrified, and said so...but just went with it because it felt so damn good to be loved. And when it all imploded and he just LEFT, I couldn’t believe it. It triggered every old wound I had in me. Totally saw red flags (one small argument of sorts and he wouldn’t speak to me for two days) but I ignored it because of how he made me feel. In the end, how much of this misery and pain is because he took that feeling away, and how much is HIM? I don’t know yet. Yeah the initial pursuit is one of the most painful parts. It's them that seem to be chasing you and putting in all the effort at first and it feels so intoxicating. Your brain wants you to believe that they are doing this because they really like you or there's something about you that is special. The anxious side is catered to so much it makes you feel warm and happy.....complete In that time they/we really do like you. But when the nervous system senses danger the flip happens and the contrast is even worse than if they/we had just been an asshole from the start. Either of you are welcome to DM me if you want the perspective on an FA roughly 30 year old male who has done this to people (and worse) and has had it done to him too. I'm still very insecure. But I am quiet knowledgeable and share my experience candidly.
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Post by Hypatia on Nov 27, 2021 1:54:19 GMT
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