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Post by krolle on Dec 1, 2021 21:08:46 GMT
Welcome to the forum. the frequency that this happens is shocking. If you have chance to look through the forum you will see it littered with similar stories. Only the details change. Hell, I just wrote one myself not long ago and am still reeling from the aftermath of it. He sounds very FA. with extreme flip flopping tendencies. This is very hard for you to deal with emotionally as it's like intermittent reinforcement which is addictive. I would also imagine you are on the anxious side which will make you feel worse from the constant push pull. Others can comment more productively on your next moves as I'm still very insecure. Particularly alexandra who herself was anxious and dated several FA men.....And seems to have evolved beyond that.
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Post by krolle on Dec 1, 2021 23:20:26 GMT
so he seems very FA to you? the thing is i know he loved me very much and prob still does as its only been 2 weeks since we had contact,and he doesnt fall out of love fast, i dont know aswell if the reasons he gave for breaking up with me were valid fully, im sure they had a part but if u get on so incredibly well with someone and u love them alot then not much else matters does it to the average person? its like he came up with 2 reasons to justify leaving in his head as its 2 things i cannot change because if he came up with reasons that could be worked on then he wouldnt have an excuse to keep leaving so my question is am i doing the right thing by going no contact? like i said i have feaful tendancies so i am too scared to reach out as i dont know how he would be,he hasnt blocked me or anything so i guess im hoping that going no contact will not only help me clear my head a little but maybe make him see he misses me not being in his life and that im not a clingy person as i can just leave him alone but he said when we broke up that by not having contact will help him move on even tho he is in love with me, so am i just shooting myself in the foot by doing that lol but on the other hand me reaching out may push him away even more, i love him alot and wish i could afford one of these damn coaches i see on youtube i only found out about attachment styles a couple of months ago but as he seems to swing between loving and dismissive of sorts (he just seems to have a dismissive side when he is hurt about breaking up with me) i was finding hard on how be with him in a way, i was just myself, i did ask him when we had our break up talk 2 weeks ago why do u seem angry at me sometimes (when he dumped me a couple weeks b4 he went cold sometimes) and he said cuz sometimes he needs to be i asked if he actaully was angry when he was being like that and he said no that he could never be angry at me and that he just has to act that way sometimes,even tho i will still get the kisses on some texts from him after he has acted angry hich made sense after he said he wasnt actually angry after all Yes, I would say very FA. But I'm not an expert. I just know the behavior, Strong desire to connect, lots of physical intimacy, then fear kicks in and ....Gone. Then fear of abandonment kicks in shortly and then tries to reconnect, then once again connected.......rince repeat. As FA's we are stuck in a perpetual balancing act to maintain a safe emotional distance. Too close and you are a threat, too far and we fear losing you. You are right, the reasons he gives probably have some validity, but they are excuses none the less, and just a cover up for his fear of true intimacy and commitment. If he gave you reasons for the break up that you could work on he wouldn't have an excuse to leave, which is what he wants to get away from his fear without facing guilt and shame (our kryptonite). Leaving you to take the emotional brunt of things. I cannot say for certain if you are doing the right thing by going no contact, Though I'm pretty good at regurgitating what I'm told is healthy, I don't yet believe it. So once again I will let others who are more secure than me chime in on this. You use no contact by the sounds of it the same way I do, at least initially, to restore a sense of control when it has been taken away from us. If you have few other options then at least choosing to go no contact feels like like you are getting some control back over the situation. Which someone else will no doubt tell you is not the correct way to use no contact. The same about your desire to get an internet coach, it's a desire to restore control. Which is a fair thing to want in opinion, but certainly not healthy in the long run. I completely understand the desire to "make someone see they miss you" though, its very hard not to want to do this. The opposite of fear is generally a sense of control in my opinion so that's what your brain is craving. In terms of love then I would say that you don't really know what love is, neither do I, at least not fully. What we experience as love is really addiction........At least that's what I'm told. I know you want me to give you answers, knowledge is power, power is control, control helps reduce fear. I wish I could give you the answers you need to feel better. You will find a little relief by talking on the forum I'm sure.
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Post by stitchfull on Dec 1, 2021 23:56:33 GMT
Welcome to the forum as well and I am sympathising with you a lot having gone through a recent break up with someone I have consequently believe is an FA. I don't know enough about the best way to go about getting back with an FA (any recommendations welcome!) but I've found watching these breakup videos very useful. I think they should be taken with a pinch of salt to not generalise every FA or situation but in the absence of answers from said-ex, it's helped me try to understand what took place in our relationship and to better prepare myself for any future relationships with FAs/ DAs or in the hopeful scenario that my FA-ex comes back. Also, I wanted to say that some of these break-up coaches do offer relatively affordable programmes (Thais Gibson/ Chris Seiter) who focus on self-growth whilst grieving which have been very useful for me. I do agree that the one-on-one coaching programmes with them are expensive though!
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Post by mrob on Dec 2, 2021 10:18:46 GMT
He does sound FA, but remember, it takes two to tango. What is it about your attachment that causes you to take part in the push/pull? While you can’t change him, you can change your response to him.
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Post by dexter on Dec 2, 2021 14:55:15 GMT
i have had relationships b4 and i do really love this man very much, i am quite picky on who i am with and i stayed single for a few years before him just to be on my own for a while and enjoy that way of life but was also open to someone coming into my life i had a few guys interested but it takes someone special for me wanting to give my emotion and time to, i have been messed around a little b4 and i have just walked away and wished them luck but because i do love the man i wanted him back and took him back everytime what we had was very special, you dont normally get the whole package with someone and tht is what we had and i tried to tell him that but he thinks there is this magical person who he has an extensive list of what she needs to be to be the right one and its not a realistic list, i was pretty close to that but because there are like 2 things out of the 20 that im not then i think that gave him reason in his head to walk away ive watched sooooo many videos on youtube on what to do and yes they are more on what to do if they come back and how to better yourself but not really on how to get them back to you lol sorry i havnt linked so it shows who i am replying to so answering you both, i am new here (joined yesterday) so i have no idea how to do that
There are some valid, but totally unhealthy reasons why we fall in "love" being in what is obviously a totally unhealthy relationship. Why do we perceive people that hurts us as "someone special"? do we need to earn love?
I'm 41, I've been in 4 long term relationships in my life. And had never been so much in love, had never so intense chemistry, "magical connection" and wonderful sex as in my most unhealthy relationship, which was an anxious&avoidant trap which I still struggle to recover from.
Try to ask uncomfortable questions about yourself instead of looking for an advice how to get him back. Yes, sometimes it can be easy, especially when you understand your ex's attachment issues and patterns. But it's manipulative, even to yourself, because you neglect your own needs of stable, healthy relationship.
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Post by pynkbby on Dec 2, 2021 16:10:54 GMT
He does sound FA, but remember, it takes two to tango. What is it about your attachment that causes you to take part in the push/pull? While you can’t change him, you can change your response to him. my attachment is a mixture according to a test i took 24% secure 32% fearful and 44% ap something along those lines, but the first 3 times didnt really feel like a break up as he would say he couldnt be with me but hours later calling me my pet name and he would be upset so we would just carry on as normal, and because of my feelings for him and i know how much i love and care about him because he is depressed and very quiet good morals etc he is exactly what i want in a guy (besides him breaking up) but he has had 2 really bad r/ships where he got burnt i think that hurt him and also i see how hurt he is when he breaks up with me hes in pain
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Post by pynkbby on Dec 2, 2021 16:13:21 GMT
i really do appreciate people commenting, i am a very kind caring person and i am hurting alot losing someone who i love as i only did my best, he said he doesnt deserve me as he is depressed and he doesnt have a very high opinion of himself and he does deserve me i just cant make him see it
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2021 16:53:05 GMT
i really do appreciate people commenting, i am a very kind caring person and i am hurting alot losing someone who i love as i only did my best, he said he doesnt deserve me as he is depressed and he doesnt have a very high opinion of himself and he does deserve me i just cant make him see it I'm curious, what kind of support are you looking for here on the forum? Are you hoping someone here can help you get through to him so you can fix the relationship?
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Post by tnr9 on Dec 2, 2021 17:11:19 GMT
i really do appreciate people commenting, i am a very kind caring person and i am hurting alot losing someone who i love as i only did my best, he said he doesnt deserve me as he is depressed and he doesnt have a very high opinion of himself and he does deserve me i just cant make him see it Hi and welcome to the forums. I just want to say that I am so sorry you are hurting. What I have learned is that you can really love someone and not be compatible with him. I know that isn’t what you want to hear…but that is likely what is going on here. Even if he was hurt in his prior relationships…it sounds like he has deeper issues that prevent him from being able to have a relationship with you. I would suggest you take him at his word and not try to turn his comments into an opportunity to try to win him back. I say this with experience having my prior boyfriend break up with me with a somewhat similar explanation. I also used the tactic of No contact to try to win him back…but a,l it did was create confusion for both of us and it did not change what was keeping our relationship in a dysfunctional loop. I would suggest you take a piece of paper and on 1 side write what was good about him and on the other…write down what hurt you, confused you, disappointed you…..it might surprise you to see how many things about him are in the second category. I say this because I have tended to idolize the guy I dated versus really acknowledging the reality. Also…you are welcome to read my journey by clicking my name and reading my posts.
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Post by alexandra on Dec 2, 2021 19:41:51 GMT
Hi pynkbby. Based on the attachment assessment you took for yourself, those results indicate you are FA as well and generally lean anxiously (as opposed to an avoidant-leaning FA). That would help explain why you've attached so deeply to this man specifically, because FA often pair off with other FA, and if the FA partner is more avoidant then it becomes an intoxicating cycle of mutual connection and intensity followed by push-pull merry-go-round roller coaster cycles. This is due to a mutual lack of emotional security and the other person seeming to understand and fill in the gaps because they have the same exact "missing" pieces they're trying to fill in and similar struggles. But there will never be stability because both of you are looking for another person to complete something that first needs to be strengthened from within. This forum will appreciate and empathize with your pain, as most of us have been there in some form or another. You are not alone in that at all. It is deeply painful and challenging and overwhelming. It is also coming from much earlier life issues that have been both triggered by and projected onto your ex. So this forum is not a "tips to get your ex back" back community, it is how to turn the painful focus towards yourself to introspect and begin to heal by moving forward, eventually hopefully gaining some more security along the way. You can do one of two things with the pain you're feeling. Obviously, the goal is to do whatever you can to stop feeling the anxiety and overwhelm you're currently going through, stop feeling pain. You've been trying the first option, which is going back to him to bandaid the anxiety and pause it until he leaves again and again. Which leaves you in a depressing yet addictive cycle where you've actually become addicted to these ups and downs. The other option, which will not sound good to you right now because you're so overwhelmed but is the only sustainable way to overcome your pain, is to seek help to learn healthier new tools to deal with your overwhelm than an FA (or any insecure attacher) is initially equipped with. This is the only real way out of your pain. As krolle mentioned, I was AP (not FA, but dated enough and learned enough about attachment theory to have a good understanding of how it works), and I only dated DA and FA for about 20 years. It was ridiculously painful, and I banged my head against the wall ruminating, pining, living with constant stress, and always choosing unavailable boyfriends over and over and over. I did manage to "win back" a long-term FA ex I was stuck in the cycle with while I was also earning secure. And from that I learned that: 1. connecting and re-connecting repeatedly is not a sign of true love and needing each other, it is a mutual lack of stability, communication skills, compatibility, and mature relationship skills, and is generally a result of shared trauma. 2. Unless both people are incredibly self-motivated to earn secure for themselves, regardless of the partner, and are doing so at the same time and speed (becoming aware, individually and earnest are committed to going to their own therapy, etc), then nothing will change and the insecure dynamic will continue without change. So you'll always have what you have right now, which is break up/get back together pain until the more avoidant FA meets a new partner even more avoidant than them and shifts into the anxiety role and pursues someone else (while occasionally dropping bread crumbs to get validation and attention from you when needed). 3. This is very toxic and you deserve so much better, but you don't believe you do which is why you stay in it. The reason you are picky in your relationships is because FA don't trust self or others, so they avoid attaching because it's so painful until someone triggers all their wounds in an anxious way that appears to overcome the fear temporarily -- but this never works in a way that isn't an unstable roller coaster. This is a lot of information, I know, and doesn't tell you how to "win back an FA." But that's because, in your current situation, there is no winning. He fell into a relationship with you because in his mind you were just unavailable and inappropriate enough a partner to make you "safe." In his mind, due to the age difference, he'd never fully have to commit and could always have one foot in and one foot out. It's not about you, which is why you feel all his distress. The feelings and distress are real. But he entered and set up the situation with a built in distance, and that may not have been a conscious decision but it was also no accident. It's no accident that you've chosen someone who is unavailable, too. Watch the free Thais Gibson material about FA and about AP attachment styles, but try to see what you relate to on your side, and don't watch it with a focus on him and figuring him out. The power of attachment theory to heal pain is how it identifies where in your own life you got stuck, what caused your own insecure attachment style, which has stunted your ability to emotionally process pain and harms your ability to have healthy adult romantic relationships. And then provides a blueprint, which a therapist can help you with, for how to heal, how to stop abandoning yourself, how to stop fearing abandonment, how to trust others (who are deserving of it) and yourself, and how to start choosing emotionally available and committed partners. Having been through it all and gotten past it (whereas my avoidant exes have not and get stuck the same over and over with other women), there can be healing and something better on the horizon, but it starts with complete focus on yourself (which is painful when you've got trauma to overcome that you usually outsource and project onto your partners needing to make you whole) and pausing the rumination about someone outside of yourself.
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Post by dexter on Dec 6, 2021 11:16:27 GMT
All insecures can start a rebound relationships quite fast. It is an unhealthy way to deny feelings of loss, loneliness, to feel validated. We can't read his mind and there is really no point in doing that. All you should take into consideration is that it wasn't about you and your worth as a person that can be loveable. That situation tells you more about his immaturity, insecurities and issues. I know that you feel terrible. But it can be an opportunity for you to move on. You know where you stand now. Take care!
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Post by tnr9 on Dec 6, 2021 15:44:46 GMT
feeling very sick, just had a text off him telling me he has met someone, 3 weeks ago he was crying in my arms telling me he loved me, how the fuck can someone move on and find someone in 3 weeks?? who the hell can be in love with someone and then be able to be with someone else that fast, my head is spinning i dont know whether to scream or cry i feel like i meant absolutely nothing, like the last 6 months of him telling me he loved me was a lie he even sent a photo of the 2 of us 4 or so weeks ago and when i asked why is he sending that he said cuz i was lovely and he was hurting im so shocked i dont know if i need the toilet or need to be sick, im absolutely broken now I am so sorry you are going through this….try to remember this is about him…not about you. The fact that he felt the need to share this with you shows that he lacks an understanding as to how much you are hurting. He probably views you as a friend and there is obviously a mismatch in where you each see the other person. My suggestion is to block him so that you can take care of you. There are plenty of single men out there….and certainly ones who will be more caring towards you then this guy has been.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 16:14:35 GMT
feeling very sick, just had a text off him telling me he has met someone, 3 weeks ago he was crying in my arms telling me he loved me, how the fuck can someone move on and find someone in 3 weeks?? who the hell can be in love with someone and then be able to be with someone else that fast, my head is spinning i dont know whether to scream or cry i feel like i meant absolutely nothing, like the last 6 months of him telling me he loved me was a lie he even sent a photo of the 2 of us 4 or so weeks ago and when i asked why is he sending that he said cuz i was lovely and he was hurting im so shocked i dont know if i need the toilet or need to be sick, im absolutely broken now I've read your post describing his behavior during the relationship, and he sounds extremely emotionally unstable. You may have wanted to dismiss the unavailability that he showed in favor of chasing the high of his intense expressions of love and need... but intensity is a red flag and NOT an indicator of stable, secure love. His sudden switch is anything but surprising given the history you've described. I'm sorry you are reeling from this, and I hope you can get some therapeutic support to unpack the reasons why you were able to attach so strongly to someone who only attached part-time to you. There is no happily every after in a dynamic such as this, and it's worth everything it takes to be able to identify the signs of unhealthy attachment in yourself. Take care of you! It does get better, many here have gone through the shock and pain of attachment gone wrong. But, I believe it only gets better if you take a situation like this as an opportunity to uncover your own misguided attempts at intimate connection.
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Post by pynkbby on Dec 6, 2021 17:06:17 GMT
i do feel angry in some way aswell as sad, i feel used aswell, i havnt cried tho which is really not like me so im worried that its not hitting me yet, or that im so in shock im not processing it properly was i right to not answer? i dont want to be all like, thank you for telling me i wish u the best, cuz then he will just think phew shes ok thats good nor do i want to give him a fucking hell that was quick so much for your morals i obviously meant fuck all to you then didnt i you lying piece of shit i didnt know what to say and instead of replying straightaway when he sucker punches me (and im emotional) after not talking to him for 2 weeks i actually took time out from replying to process if i even wanted to and i thought no cuz its such a shitty thing to be told esp that soon that i didnt even want to respond to it
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Post by alexandra on Dec 6, 2021 21:16:05 GMT
You should block him for the time being for your own mental health. And you're right that you're probably not processing everything all at once because it would be so overwhelming. What kind of support system do you have? What kind of coping mechanisms and activities do you have (such as exercise, doing entertainment activities you enjoy, making art or music or something creative as an outlet)? It's perfectly okay to not take on all of this at once and let the chemical withdrawal feelings fade out somewhat (which may take another month) so that you're in a better headspace to start processing. In the meantime, focus on self care and doing what you can to rebuild some of your self esteem. See friends and family if possible, focus on your favorite activities that make you feel accomplished or proud of yourself and satisfied, and wait for some of the anxiety to pass. You have time to introspect more about this later on, but take care of yourself first.
Just remember that what he did has no reflection on you or your value. He doesn't define you. He has his own issues, and that's why you need to block him out for a while and focus inward. You won't get any answers or relief ruminating on him and guessing about his intentions and actions, you'll only prolong the connection in your head by letting those neurons associated with him continue to shoot off. Which will get you into a self propagating cycle of feeling worse and worse.
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