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Post by pamela on Dec 4, 2022 21:09:08 GMT
Hi everyone,
I very much appreciate this platform and the chance to share my story and see what insights anyone may have.
I have experienced a complete breakdown of a very significant 5 year relationship with my a man who has a DA attachment style with some narcissism mixed in. About 80% of the time our relationship has been very good for me.
That 20% (not so good) raises its ugly head when he: 1) Does not honor my inner knowing (inner voice) about what I need and what is best for me - he knows best and is controlling 2) His arrogance, huge ego, pride come on top 3) Is lacking empathy and the ability to care about my feelings 4) Not dealing with the real issues 5) Not taking personal responsibility or accountability for how his behavior impacts me 6) A strong unyielding refusal to want to make any personal accommodations or changes to love me better - it just doesn't appear to matter to him.
However the 80% (good) changed drastically (end of July) when he made the decision he was going to train for and run a 26 mile marathon. He has treated me for the last 4 months as unimportant, not mattering, completely disregarding me and my feelings, with almost no communication other than a very rare text. He claims he didn't know what stonewalling was or the damage it creates but still to date he has not really addressed my feelings or hurt in a way where I feel understood or heard.
I’ve clearly expressed to him that the breakdown of our relationship has got nothing to do with him training for or running in a 26 mile marathon. I’ve expressed I would have truly loved to have been included from the very beginning and cheered him on every step of the way. He made a different choice -- excluding me from almost every aspect of his life including the training, preparation as well as the Marathon. In my mind, the complete breakdown of our relationship has everything to do with his choice from the very beginning to communicate and treat me poorly by not addressing my hurt feelings and concerns. My feelings and concerns were created by his behavior toward me which was covert, evasive, and secretive. I was experiencing feelings of being excluded, unimportant, disregarded and not mattering because that is exactly how he was and still is treating me. I have worked incredibly hard over the years on my own personal growth. I’ve had much healing and communicate and treat others primarily from a secure attachment style. However, this has triggered feelings of anxious preoccupied in me - re-hooking abandonment issues, sever trauma from others and low self worth. We have only seen each other 3 times in 4 months to talk and the 4th time I dropped of a beautiful birthday dinner on 10-16 but was only invited in for about 5 minutes.
About a week after the Marathon I wrote and put under his door a very heartfelt direct (but still kind) letter. Below in quotes is the very ending of the letter:
"I have been forthright, sincere and honest about what isn’t working for me in this relationship. I have always been kind yet direct in asking for what I need relation-ally from you. I have fully acknowledged, it has always been and still is your choice how you treat me. And, it is my choice whether I’m going to continue to accept this kind of treatment. You’ve pushed me in a corner and have left me with no choice but to let you and our relationship go. I am not going to accept this kind of treatment anymore. You have shown no signs of wanting to make the necessary changes to restore our relationship. I have never seen you take responsibility and be fully accountable for your actions and behavior. I have never heard this from you – I will work on myself and make changes because I don’t want to lose you. This has been and still is excruciatingly painful for me because I have genuinely loved you and still do. But I’ve decided, I’m no longer staying in a relationship where I’m not wanted, valued, cared for, protected and loved."
After receiving this letter I got a text saying "I'd like to meet you to talk".
This was the third time we got together and it was on 10-14 - two days before his Birthday. I picked up dinner because he was running late (busy chiropractor) and as we ate he told me in great detail all about the Marathon. He said he thought maybe he was in a mid-life crisis (just turned 62 on 10-16). He also kept telling me he had a whole new set of friends from the triathlete group at Life Time Fitness. Also he shared that what makes him happy (truly happy at his core) are his athletic endeavors (feeling the burn). His next ambition is to qualify for the Boston Marathon. After dinner he kept coming at me kissing me many many times (soft, wet sensual lip kisses) and then with several tear drops he told me he loved me dearly and that my love has been the sweetest love he has ever known. I was completely shocked especially after showing such a complete disregard for me and my feelings with two and a half months going by with literally no phone calls, very little response to any of my texts or letters other than an occasional rare text from him. Even though I wanted to melt in his arms and kiss him back – I didn’t. I was so confused. I miss him and the good parts of our relationship so very much -- more than words can say. I wish with all of my heart and soul that things were different. I held myself back because the man he was presenting himself to be.....did not seem genuinely interested in restoring and building a relationship with me in a mutually loving, respectful way. I didn’t see him acknowledging or taking any real responsibility for how he had treated me. He said nothing about the damage he had created or that he wanted to make space and room for me in his life again. Then, on 10-16 two days later I dropped off a birthday dinner. I though I would share it with him but he didn’t invite me to stay, so I left after about 5 minutes. I gave him a very short letter and asked if he would read it the next day and please text to let me know he had read it. Below in quotes is the ending of that letter:
"I just want you to understand, even though I wanted to be close to you, why I held back.
If you aren’t wanting and willing to be the kind of partner I’ve asked for, it will only hurt me more to kiss you passionately and participate in any kind of physical intimacy. Please understand.....I am still in a great deal of pain and mourning the love and relationship I thought we had together. It feels like you have completely replaced me with your new friends and new found athletic goals and dreams. I don’t know why it has to be -- either or -- in your mind but I am the part of your life that you decided to let go. I still don’t completely understand. I’m not making you wrong here. I want you to always be authentic and true to yourself. You get to choose and live out the life you want -- being who you want to be -- to yourself, others and most importantly to God. So....please don’t make me wrong either. I know who I am, what I have to offer and give, and I’m not going to settle ever again for less than God’s best – his standard for how both parties -- a man and a woman should treat each other. I want to be in a mutually healthy, life-giving relationship with a man who chooses me, values me, cares for me, protects me, and our relationship. I thought you were that man and have so deeply wanted you to be that man. The ball really is in your court now, to decide if you want to work towards healing our relationship and loving me the way I deserve." I never received a text acknowledging the letter -- not a word back. After dropping off the birthday dinner an entire month went by with NO CONTACT.
Then, I got a scripture text with a very short note. The scripture was from Philippians " Do not be anxious about anything". Well of course someone would feel anxious after all of this but I responded with a simple thank you. Two days later I got a birthday text. I responded with another thank you and asked him if we could get together and have a sincere, honest talk on a human level. He texted he had wanted to take me out to dinner for my birthday and asking if that would work. I thanked him for the kind offer but said what was most important to me was to have an honest, sincere talk -- a noisy non private restaurant makes that very difficult.
I asked if we could pick up dinner and eat at his place as an option. Or, if it is important to him to go out to dinner could we go to his place after so we could talk privately. Going out to eat isn't as ideal because he drinks (I don't) and it would be nice to have a talk where he isn't to much under the influence of alcohol before we even start.
He still has not reached out to make a plan to get together for a belated dinner or to talk. I really can’t express how painful this has all been. It has been a complete ripping and tearing of my heart and soul. I'm still trying to heal and make sense of his treatment of me. I don’t even know who he is anymore. I would love more than anything in the world to be back in our 80% of the time (good for me) relationship.
I don’t see any desire on his part to come up to the standard of how a woman and a man should treat each other in a healthy, mutually loving, respectful, life giving relationship. I just can't go down to his currently low, low standard of how he is currently treating me. I had to take my self respect back. I still love this man very much – 5 years is a long time.
Thank you so very much to anyone that has any insights to share. Please know I greatly appreciate it!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2022 17:25:49 GMT
I'm unable to offer advice as to the relationship as I think it's possible that issues go beyond avoidant attachment as you said. What I want to address here is the exposure to potentially boundary-violating attention that you have given yourself by expressing emotional vulnerability along with your phone number on the internet. This suggests to me that you have gaps in being able to determine what is safe and unsafe for you, and how to have sufficient boundaries for self care when relating with others. This is not intended as criticism but as feedback which might be helpful in determining how this relationship was appealing and seemed reasonable, even though it is detrimenintal to you. We all have had these blindnspots in one way or another and looking into how we expose ourselves to toxic treatment is an excellent place to start.
I think you have the door wide open for some kind of predatory behavior, having expressed this need and vulnerability along with personal contact information, please protect yourself and remove the phone number. It is safer to communicate via private message which is available to you here.
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Post by pamela on Dec 5, 2022 19:34:54 GMT
Thank you so much for your feedback. It is well received and very much appreciated. To be honest, this is my first time on this type of a forum platform. You are right and I will continue to look at the ways I am exposing myself to toxic treatment. Thank you for caring!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2022 19:48:31 GMT
Thank you so much for your feedback. It is very well received and much appreciated. To be honest, this is my first time on this type of a forum platform. I've been trying to figure out how to edit this post as you suggested and not finding anywhere how to do it. Could you please guide me on how someone either edits or deletes a post. I know this isn't you job but would be grateful for you help. I do want to take care of this. Thank you again for all of your feedback! Happy to help, I think there are some people here with some great advice on discovering the holes in one's protective barrier and how to help heal them. I've been in similar spaces with being unable to protect myself and focusing on the wrong things (blaming the other, passing responsibility for my wellbeing on to others) but I think the internal narrative differences can be significant, so someone with an AP perspective might be more helpful. I can't offer much on the guy here though because he sounds over and above avoidant. My main concern here is how a relationship lacking the things you need, to such a large degree, could be split 80/20 in favor of great. The things you list as lacking are the very foundation of love, care, trust and respect as Natalie Lue of Baggage Reclaim says... that might be a great resource to begin with, you can search it. I ran across her stuff when looking around at relationship info on the web. She's got a lot of free reading to avail yourself to.
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Post by pamela on Dec 5, 2022 19:58:08 GMT
You just shared more very helpful good thoughts -- thank you! I will look up Natalie Lue. I have never heard of her before! Could you clarify what you meant when you said someone with an AP perspective might be more helpful. I'm not sure what AP stands for (maybe avoidance personality)? Thank you so much!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2022 20:42:12 GMT
You just shared more very helpful good thoughts -- thank you! I will look up Natalie Lue. I have never heard of her before! Could you clarify what you meant when you said someone with an AP perspective might be more helpful. I'm not sure what AP stands for (maybe avoidance personality)? Thank you so much! Oh, sorry- I mean Anxious Preoccupied (otherwise known as ambivalent) attachment style, the type often found as partner to an avoidant. This attachment type has trouble with boundaries and trying to get their needs met from unavailable and unloving partners. Have a peek around the boards or try an attachment style test (Google that) if you are curious about why you're in this predicament- it may seem it's because of him but your own blind spots, poor boundaries, and misguided attempts at this relationship are much more important to assess because that's what you have control over. There's a lot of helpful info about your own internal states that can shed like on the situation from your own side.
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Post by Jeb Kinnison on Dec 5, 2022 20:57:12 GMT
Thank you for figuring out how to remove your personal information. This is a pretty safe space but it's also visible to anyone on the Internet, so people are encouraged to remain anonymous and change names and details as needed to keep their stories from being recognized.
Good luck and it looks like your responses are as good as I could write!
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Post by cherrycola on Dec 6, 2022 1:46:10 GMT
I'm going to second baggage reclaim. She also has a podcast and I found it beyond helpful. She comes across as a super loving and caring friend who just wants what is best for you and is willing to repeat the same thing 100x until it really sinks in.
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Post by pamela on Dec 6, 2022 6:26:35 GMT
You just shared more very helpful good thoughts -- thank you! I will look up Natalie Lue. I have never heard of her before! Could you clarify what you meant when you said someone with an AP perspective might be more helpful. I'm not sure what AP stands for (maybe avoidance personality)? Thank you so much! Oh, sorry- I mean Anxious Preoccupied (otherwise known as ambivalent) attachment style, the type often found as partner to an avoidant. This attachment type has trouble with boundaries and trying to get their needs met from unavailable and unloving partners. Have a peek around the boards or try an attachment style test (Google that) if you are curious about why you're in this predicament- it may seem it's because of him but your own blind spots, poor boundaries, and misguided attempts at this relationship are much more important to assess because that's what you have control over. There's a lot of helpful info about your own internal states that can shed like on the situation from your own side. Thank you for being so kind and gracious. You have wonderful insights! Through reading the material on the website I realize my characteristics (how I treat others) are primarily as a Secure but the test showed me more anxious preoccupied. The breakdown of my relationship has been very triggering for me reignited deep wounds and traumas around abandonment and my self worth. I’ve done a lot of self awareness and emotional growth work over the years (never ending) but didn't know until now I’m a recovering Anxious Preoccupied. I have so much more to learn. Thank you again for your support and God bless you!
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Post by pamela on Dec 6, 2022 6:35:05 GMT
Thank you for figuring out how to remove your personal information. This is a pretty safe space but it's also visible to anyone on the Internet, so people are encouraged to remain anonymous and change names and details as needed to keep their stories from being recognized. Good luck and it looks like your responses are as good as I could write! I just got your book today (how to love or leave a dismissive partner) – so excited to read it. I greatly appreciate the wonderful website you have created and all the resources you provide for everyone. I have so much to learn! Thank you for all you do!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2022 13:49:59 GMT
Oh, sorry- I mean Anxious Preoccupied (otherwise known as ambivalent) attachment style, the type often found as partner to an avoidant. This attachment type has trouble with boundaries and trying to get their needs met from unavailable and unloving partners. Have a peek around the boards or try an attachment style test (Google that) if you are curious about why you're in this predicament- it may seem it's because of him but your own blind spots, poor boundaries, and misguided attempts at this relationship are much more important to assess because that's what you have control over. There's a lot of helpful info about your own internal states that can shed like on the situation from your own side. Thank you for being so kind and gracious. You have wonderful insights! Through reading the material on the website I realize my characteristics (how I treat others) are primarily as a Secure but the test showed me more anxious preoccupied. The breakdown of my relationship has been very triggering for me reignited deep wounds and traumas around abandonment and my self worth. I’ve done a lot of self awareness and emotional growth work over the years (never ending) but didn't know until now I’m a recovering Anxious Preoccupied. I have so much more to learn. Thank you again for your support and God bless you!
It sounds like you are finding some really helpful information, and encouragement to delve deeper into your own narrative and internal dynamic. It's possible to behave with a strong conscientiousness while allowing abhorrent treatment of yourself and that's a real dilemma. How you treat others is less than half of the equation, if you are allowing them to treat you in ways that are damaging to you. You have the right words to say to this guy, but you must consider who you are saying them to, put it in context. He has treated you poorly from the beginning and the secure thing to do would have been to register that and have the internal resources and security to avoid getting entangled with him. Instead, you've endured the pain of the relationship to avoid the end of the relationship, which never works with someone not wanting a mutual relationship anyway... it will always end, and badly. So it's the internal stories you tell yourself, the narrative that says that if you do or say the right thing to take care of yourself, he will also take care of you. If you forgive, he might be so moved and thankful he will change his ways. If you love him enough he will turn over a new leaf, because love heals. Whatever the story, whatever the ideas, they come from an insecure place that cannot endure separation from him as an attachment figure even when it's inevitable because of his flaws and actually best because of his flaws. You're clinging to fantasy and hope rather than truly accepting, when he showed you early on, that he wasn't treating you with love and respect and empathy. The chasing of his love is the real story, and it's the real problem. But there's a reason you cope with relationship adversity in this way, it originates in your early experiences with attachment figures. It may or may not be obvious to you where these patterns originated in your life. Exploring the beliefs you developed around interaction and your worthiness and ability to love yourself is key to transforming your own patterns. You won't be able to influence his transformation into the mate you desire, but with increased emotional security you don't need to, because you will be able to choose to step back from unhealthy dynamics and find a suitable partner who can treat you with love and respect and empathy. It's a process but totally possible, it just requires focus on yourself and a commitment to yourself that he's been unable to make. You are worthy of that and so much more.
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Post by pamela on Dec 7, 2022 9:14:25 GMT
Thank you for being so kind and gracious. You have wonderful insights! Through reading the material on the website I realize my characteristics (how I treat others) are primarily as a Secure but the test showed me more anxious preoccupied. The breakdown of my relationship has been very triggering for me reignited deep wounds and traumas around abandonment and my self worth. I’ve done a lot of self awareness and emotional growth work over the years (never ending) but didn't know until now I’m a recovering Anxious Preoccupied. I have so much more to learn. Thank you again for your support and God bless you!
It sounds like you are finding some really helpful information, and encouragement to delve deeper into your own narrative and internal dynamic. It's possible to behave with a strong conscientiousness while allowing abhorrent treatment of yourself and that's a real dilemma. How you treat others is less than half of the equation, if you are allowing them to treat you in ways that are damaging to you. You have the right words to say to this guy, but you must consider who you are saying them to, put it in context. He has treated you poorly from the beginning and the secure thing to do would have been to register that and have the internal resources and security to avoid getting entangled with him. Instead, you've endured the pain of the relationship to avoid the end of the relationship, which never works with someone not wanting a mutual relationship anyway... it will always end, and badly. So it's the internal stories you tell yourself, the narrative that says that if you do or say the right thing to take care of yourself, he will also take care of you. If you forgive, he might be so moved and thankful he will change his ways. If you love him enough he will turn over a new leaf, because love heals. Whatever the story, whatever the ideas, they come from an insecure place that cannot endure separation from him as an attachment figure even when it's inevitable because of his flaws and actually best because of his flaws. You're clinging to fantasy and hope rather than truly accepting, when he showed you early on, that he wasn't treating you with love and respect and empathy. The chasing of his love is the real story, and it's the real problem. But there's a reason you cope with relationship adversity in this way, it originates in your early experiences with attachment figures. It may or may not be obvious to you where these patterns originated in your life. Exploring the beliefs you developed around interaction and your worthiness and ability to love yourself is key to transforming your own patterns. You won't be able to influence his transformation into the mate you desire, but with increased emotional security you don't need to, because you will be able to choose to step back from unhealthy dynamics and find a suitable partner who can treat you with love and respect and empathy. It's a process but totally possible, it just requires focus on yourself and a commitment to yourself that he's been unable to make. You are worthy of that and so much more. Thank you Introvert, I deeply appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts and wisdom. I’m sure you have lived through a lot of tough times and done significant personal emotional growth work to have such a high level of awareness and understanding. This is hard stuff to look at and very painful but you are right. In fact you are spot on. He was treating me poorly from the beginning. I’ve always been direct in asking for what I need relationally. I got the message early on that learning how to love me better was not something that really mattered to him. And, since early August, instead of making appropriate changes to give me what was missing he gave me less and less of what I need. Then acted like his bread crumbs should be enough to sustain the relationship and he’s completely ok with the way it’s going. Like you said, chasing his love (from the very beginning) is the real story and the real problem. I believe my patterns started in my family of origin with a functioning alcoholic mother and a workaholic father and two older brothers who weren’t very nice -- traumatized and teased me mercilessly. I experienced a lot of pain growing up and learned to be a people pleaser. I’ve read that if a child does not bond with their mother in the womb, or with both mother and father in the first three years of life, an attachment disorder occurs. If you have an attachment disorder with a parent, you will have pain in your spirit regarding sense of belonging – you will feel rejection, inadequacy, and anxiety deep within you. My understanding is that a sense of being is the ability to know and experience who you really are, to not define yourself by what others think of you. With a healthy sense of being, you feel loved, strong, and peaceful at your core. Growing up (even into my adulthood) I’ve struggled with a sense of belonging and a sense of being. I’ve put a great deal of effort over the years into understanding my family of origin -- the shame based family system I grew up in. I don’t honestly know if I ever bonded with either parent as a baby or as a young child. I do know, I’ve felt physically and emotionally abandoned at times by my parents and definitely not understood or honored for who I am. I’ve always been a highly sensitive person and I care deeply about the people in my life, especially the people I love. My Dad passed away on 4-6-2019. It is hard to even describe how painful this has been for me. Not only his death but the aftermath. I will just say (for me) it is a lot harder to lose a parent when the things that your heart has longed your whole life to hear were never really said. I honestly loved and adored my father just because he was my dad. I feel like my dad didn’t really know me or value the person that I am. I longed throughout my entire life to hear my earthly father say the words I love you, you’re a good and precious daughter, you’re smart, you’re beautiful and I am so proud of you. As my dad got older and his health started failing he became a lot grumpier -- like an old curmudgeon and verbal words of affection became even less of a possibility. The sadness of unrecognized affection has been a lot for me to work through. In 12-2020 I was diagnosed with a massive rare sarcoma tumor (GIST) in my abdominal cavity. Long story short, I was on a targeted oral chemo drug for 14 month and then traveled out of state to have the tumor removed. I had a very successful surgery with a lot of divine grace from my Heavenly Father. The relationship breakdown started exactly 6 months after my surgery. He went with me to Philadelphia (taking 17 days off his practice). That meant the world to me. He's had full knowledge of the very difficult things I've been through these last several years, including my father's death, the estate nightmare, the diagnosis, being on gleevec (oral chemo), surgery and still taking gleevec. He also knows what a highly sensitive gentle person I am. I've had such a hard time understanding why he would treat me with such disdain and disregard. I think that is what has hurt the most. Thankfully, the more I'm learning about my anxious preoccupied attachment style the more things are starting to make sense. It’s been and continues to be an ongoing journey of healing and recovery from those primary wounds in my spirit. I’m so grateful to have found this forum, Jeb’s website and to be learning about the four attachment styles. Thank you again for the way you so graciously share your knowledge with me and others. You are a truly beautiful human. God bless you!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2022 15:55:28 GMT
It sounds like you are finding some really helpful information, and encouragement to delve deeper into your own narrative and internal dynamic. It's possible to behave with a strong conscientiousness while allowing abhorrent treatment of yourself and that's a real dilemma. How you treat others is less than half of the equation, if you are allowing them to treat you in ways that are damaging to you. You have the right words to say to this guy, but you must consider who you are saying them to, put it in context. He has treated you poorly from the beginning and the secure thing to do would have been to register that and have the internal resources and security to avoid getting entangled with him. Instead, you've endured the pain of the relationship to avoid the end of the relationship, which never works with someone not wanting a mutual relationship anyway... it will always end, and badly. So it's the internal stories you tell yourself, the narrative that says that if you do or say the right thing to take care of yourself, he will also take care of you. If you forgive, he might be so moved and thankful he will change his ways. If you love him enough he will turn over a new leaf, because love heals. Whatever the story, whatever the ideas, they come from an insecure place that cannot endure separation from him as an attachment figure even when it's inevitable because of his flaws and actually best because of his flaws. You're clinging to fantasy and hope rather than truly accepting, when he showed you early on, that he wasn't treating you with love and respect and empathy. The chasing of his love is the real story, and it's the real problem. But there's a reason you cope with relationship adversity in this way, it originates in your early experiences with attachment figures. It may or may not be obvious to you where these patterns originated in your life. Exploring the beliefs you developed around interaction and your worthiness and ability to love yourself is key to transforming your own patterns. You won't be able to influence his transformation into the mate you desire, but with increased emotional security you don't need to, because you will be able to choose to step back from unhealthy dynamics and find a suitable partner who can treat you with love and respect and empathy. It's a process but totally possible, it just requires focus on yourself and a commitment to yourself that he's been unable to make. You are worthy of that and so much more. Thank you Introvert, I deeply appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts and wisdom. I’m sure you have lived through a lot of tough times and done significant personal emotional growth work to have such a high level of awareness and understanding. This is hard stuff to look at and very painful but you are right. In fact you are spot on. He was treating me poorly from the beginning. I’ve always been direct in asking for what I need relationally. I got the message early on that learning how to love me better was not something that really mattered to him. And, since early August, instead of making appropriate changes to give me what was missing he gave me less and less of what I need. Then acted like his bread crumbs should be enough to sustain the relationship and he’s completely ok with the way it’s going. Like you said, chasing his love (from the very beginning) is the real story and the real problem. I believe my patterns started in my family of origin with a functioning alcoholic mother and a workaholic father and two older brothers who weren’t very nice -- traumatized and teased me mercilessly. I experienced a lot of pain growing up and learned to be a people pleaser. I’ve read that if a child does not bond with their mother in the womb, or with both mother and father in the first three years of life, an attachment disorder occurs. If you have an attachment disorder with a parent, you will have pain in your spirit regarding sense of belonging – you will feel rejection, inadequacy, and anxiety deep within you. My understanding is that a sense of being is the ability to know and experience who you really are, to not define yourself by what others think of you. With a healthy sense of being, you feel loved, strong, and peaceful at your core. Growing up (even into my adulthood) I’ve struggled with a sense of belonging and a sense of being. I’ve put a great deal of effort over the years into understanding my family of origin -- the shame based family system I grew up in. I don’t honestly know if I ever bonded with either parent as a baby or as a young child. I do know, I’ve felt physically and emotionally abandoned at times by my parents and definitely not understood or honored for who I am. I’ve always been a highly sensitive person and I care deeply about the people in my life, especially the people I love. My Dad passed away on 4-6-2019. It is hard to even describe how painful this has been for me. Not only his death but the aftermath. I will just say (for me) it is a lot harder to lose a parent when the things that your heart has longed your whole life to hear were never really said. I honestly loved and adored my father just because he was my dad. I feel like my dad didn’t really know me or value the person that I am. I longed throughout my entire life to hear my earthly father say the words I love you, you’re a good and precious daughter, you’re smart, you’re beautiful and I am so proud of you. As my dad got older and his health started failing he became a lot grumpier -- like an old curmudgeon and verbal words of affection became even less of a possibility. The sadness of unrecognized affection has been a lot for me to work through. In 12-2020 I was diagnosed with a massive rare sarcoma tumor (GIST) in my abdominal cavity. Long story short, I was on a targeted oral chemo drug for 14 month and then traveled out of state to have the tumor removed. I had a very successful surgery with a lot of divine grace from my Heavenly Father. The relationship breakdown started exactly 6 months after my surgery. He went with me to Philadelphia (taking 17 days off his practice). That meant the world to me. He's had full knowledge of the very difficult things I've been through these last several years, including my father's death, the estate nightmare, the diagnosis, being on gleevec (oral chemo), surgery and still taking gleevec. He also knows what a highly sensitive gentle person I am. I've had such a hard time understanding why he would treat me with such disdain and disregard. I think that is what has hurt the most. Thankfully, the more I'm learning about my anxious preoccupied attachment style the more things are starting to make sense. It’s been and continues to be an ongoing journey of healing and recovery from those primary wounds in my spirit. I’m so grateful to have found this forum, Jeb’s website and to be learning about the four attachment styles. Thank you again for the way you so graciously share your knowledge with me and others. You are a truly beautiful human. God bless you! Pamela, it is indeed painful to analyze and understand where this all come from, because it brings up all the childhood wounds. I have done the same, over and over again, it's a lifelong process. I wasn't wanted by my parents, an alcoholic father and a disordered (undiagnosed, but without a doubt she had mental illness or PD) mother, and suffered the same inability to find nurture and belonging most of my life. In fact at some point I stopped seeking it and became avoidant. Avoidance doesn't provide a way out of all the pain and trauma, it just provides a different way to cope. The pain is still there, buried or denied but present and preventing the kind of connection that every human needs. I'm in my early 50's, and the transition to menopause seems to be a time of renewed reflection and healing for a lot of women I know. So I continue to work with what comes up, there always seems to be some new revelation or insight. Often these insights come from painful interactions or situations, but I can approach them with healthier skills and beliefs now. There are quite a few members here with much to share, I think I just got to your thread first but you have a lot of support here, I'm confident. It's a good place to be. Also I want to point you to the work of Thais Gibson. She specializes in AT and helping people heal their attachment style. You can search her name and also find her on YouTube with lots of videos.
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Post by pamela on Dec 7, 2022 19:15:34 GMT
Thank you Introvert, I deeply appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts and wisdom. I’m sure you have lived through a lot of tough times and done significant personal emotional growth work to have such a high level of awareness and understanding. This is hard stuff to look at and very painful but you are right. In fact you are spot on. He was treating me poorly from the beginning. I’ve always been direct in asking for what I need relationally. I got the message early on that learning how to love me better was not something that really mattered to him. And, since early August, instead of making appropriate changes to give me what was missing he gave me less and less of what I need. Then acted like his bread crumbs should be enough to sustain the relationship and he’s completely ok with the way it’s going. Like you said, chasing his love (from the very beginning) is the real story and the real problem. I believe my patterns started in my family of origin with a functioning alcoholic mother and a workaholic father and two older brothers who weren’t very nice -- traumatized and teased me mercilessly. I experienced a lot of pain growing up and learned to be a people pleaser. I’ve read that if a child does not bond with their mother in the womb, or with both mother and father in the first three years of life, an attachment disorder occurs. If you have an attachment disorder with a parent, you will have pain in your spirit regarding sense of belonging – you will feel rejection, inadequacy, and anxiety deep within you. My understanding is that a sense of being is the ability to know and experience who you really are, to not define yourself by what others think of you. With a healthy sense of being, you feel loved, strong, and peaceful at your core. Growing up (even into my adulthood) I’ve struggled with a sense of belonging and a sense of being. I’ve put a great deal of effort over the years into understanding my family of origin -- the shame based family system I grew up in. I don’t honestly know if I ever bonded with either parent as a baby or as a young child. I do know, I’ve felt physically and emotionally abandoned at times by my parents and definitely not understood or honored for who I am. I’ve always been a highly sensitive person and I care deeply about the people in my life, especially the people I love. My Dad passed away on 4-6-2019. It is hard to even describe how painful this has been for me. Not only his death but the aftermath. I will just say (for me) it is a lot harder to lose a parent when the things that your heart has longed your whole life to hear were never really said. I honestly loved and adored my father just because he was my dad. I feel like my dad didn’t really know me or value the person that I am. I longed throughout my entire life to hear my earthly father say the words I love you, you’re a good and precious daughter, you’re smart, you’re beautiful and I am so proud of you. As my dad got older and his health started failing he became a lot grumpier -- like an old curmudgeon and verbal words of affection became even less of a possibility. The sadness of unrecognized affection has been a lot for me to work through. In 12-2020 I was diagnosed with a massive rare sarcoma tumor (GIST) in my abdominal cavity. Long story short, I was on a targeted oral chemo drug for 14 month and then traveled out of state to have the tumor removed. I had a very successful surgery with a lot of divine grace from my Heavenly Father. The relationship breakdown started exactly 6 months after my surgery. He went with me to Philadelphia (taking 17 days off his practice). That meant the world to me. He's had full knowledge of the very difficult things I've been through these last several years, including my father's death, the estate nightmare, the diagnosis, being on gleevec (oral chemo), surgery and still taking gleevec. He also knows what a highly sensitive gentle person I am. I've had such a hard time understanding why he would treat me with such disdain and disregard. I think that is what has hurt the most. Thankfully, the more I'm learning about my anxious preoccupied attachment style the more things are starting to make sense. It’s been and continues to be an ongoing journey of healing and recovery from those primary wounds in my spirit. I’m so grateful to have found this forum, Jeb’s website and to be learning about the four attachment styles. Thank you again for the way you so graciously share your knowledge with me and others. You are a truly beautiful human. God bless you! Pamela, it is indeed painful to analyze and understand where this all come from, because it brings up all the childhood wounds. I have done the same, over and over again, it's a lifelong process. I wasn't wanted by my parents, an alcoholic father and a disordered (undiagnosed, but without a doubt she had mental illness or PD) mother, and suffered the same inability to find nurture and belonging most of my life. In fact at some point I stopped seeking it and became avoidant. Avoidance doesn't provide a way out of all the pain and trauma, it just provides a different way to cope. The pain is still there, buried or denied but present and preventing the kind of connection that every human needs. I'm in my early 50's, and the transition to menopause seems to be a time of renewed reflection and healing for a lot of women I know. So I continue to work with what comes up, there always seems to be some new revelation or insight. Often these insights come from painful interactions or situations, but I can approach them with healthier skills and beliefs now. There are quite a few members here with much to share, I think I just got to your thread first but you have a lot of support here, I'm confident. It's a good place to be. Also I want to point you to the work of Thais Gibson. She specializes in AT and helping people heal their attachment style. You can search her name and also find her on YouTube with lots of videos.
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Post by pamela on Dec 7, 2022 19:24:36 GMT
Thank you Introvert, I just found Thais Gibson's personal development school a few days ago. I signed up for her 14 day free trail to check it out before paying monthly. There are so many people (couches) on the internet -- it's been overwhelming. I'm sure you have studied what is out there much more than me. From your knowledge base do you think she is one of the best? Have you gone through her personal development school?
I have done counseling over the years but it has been disappointing. How does someone find a really good counselor that understands all these things on a high level? I would like to find a counselor local to me that is a good fit and has a lot of experience and knowledge. Maybe I haven't asked the right questions of the counselor before starting.
Any suggestions on how one vets out a counselor?
Any other resources and or books that have made a difference for you? I have been reading some of the anxious preoccupied threads as well.
Thank you for all the kindness you've shown me.
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