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Post by dreadyg on Jan 26, 2023 0:32:04 GMT
To keep it short and sweet, I'm interested in hearing from FA's or people with FA partners in their life that feel they've got some good insights here that work.
When an FA partner deactivates significantly and pulls away for a period of time saying they need space etc., I'm curious to know what sort of response works for you when the FA begins to reach out again.
I'm imagining in some cases there might be some feelings of shame that they pulled away, or still feeling confused or even just still feeling like it's been the absolute right response (possibly especially for those that are still unaware FA's?).
There's a lot of knowledge out there on giving the FA space when they deactivate and acknowledging this and supporting the space they need. There's also quite a bit on communication strategies generally and setting healthy boundaries and helping the FA feel safe.
I feel like there is a knowledge gap around how to respond when they start reaching out again though. Obviously, any form of punishment or negativity isn't going to go down well. And according to the Gottman methods we should be turning toward those bids for connection when they do come. At the same time though, I don't think its healthy if, after an FA has disappeared for a couple of weeks, that there's no discussion on the elephant in the room. It doesn't acknowledge the feelings of the other person and doesn't lead to improving the mutual understanding of what just happened so there's no opportunity for growth in the relationship.
Love to hear your insights
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Post by tnr9 on Jan 26, 2023 1:09:50 GMT
Hi there….I used all the gottman strategies with my last boyfriend (who identified as FA)….did not change the outcome at all…he still pulled away, he still felt unsure, he still broke up with me. Not all FAs return, not all FAs who return want to rekindle a dating relationship. And regardless of how you pretzel things on your side, unless there has been some work internally from the other person, there is a high probability of exactly the same dance that you already went through. It sounds to me like you are doing lots of research to try to get things right…I did the exact same thing. A better use of your time will likely be to decide if you are ok if nothing chances….if this person keeps deactivating/going silent for weeks. If that is not appealing to you, then I would suggest figuring out the kind of partner you want and seeking out someone who displays those qualities.
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Post by anne12 on Jan 26, 2023 2:43:30 GMT
You need to provide more information
For how long have you been together ? (there are different stages in a couples relationship) Is there anything that has happend before the deactivation ? Is there any unresolved conflict ? Is there anything stressfull going on in the persons life ? Is this the first deactivation ?
How has the person begun to reach out again ? What did the person say ? How did you react to the persons reaching out/coming back again ? What do you mean, when you write, “No communication about the deactivation” ?
When the fa deactivate the person could be in a kind of survival mode, so that the persons prefrontal cortex goes off line ….
”in some cases there might be some feelings of shame that they pulled away” - yes, there could be feelings of shame “or still feeling confused” - yes “or even just still feeling like it's been the absolute right response (possibly especially for those that are still unaware FA's “ - yes
People with some fa attatchment style got a lot of (unresolved) flight responces/flight reactions (and sometimes fight responces, collapse, freeze responces)
What is your own attatchment style ?
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Post by dreadyg on Jan 28, 2023 22:43:55 GMT
Thank you to you both for responding.
I was really just chasing some general approaches that might be useful to all. The type you may be able to find in an article. But maybe it does need to be specific to the situation.
tnr9, I do appreciate your comments on spending time pretzelling to the others demands and where I would be better to focus my efforts. I have definitely done plenty of pretzel making of myself in the past to little avail.
Happy to give a bit more background, but would appreciate if the commentary is more in line with my question rather than advising that I need to decide whether I stay or go. Not because I'm trying to avoid that thought process, but because I am aware of this and I'm at a place where I'm ok to let it go if that's what is needed.
We've had a 9 year on-off relationship. We struggled during Covid lockdowns and broke up and lived separately about 18 months ago. We've kept in contact as we each have kids that basically grew up together and regard each other as sisters.
I stopped contacting her for a few months as she was starting to pursue another guy and I just wanted to focus on my life and moving forward. After that time though, I reached out and we started to hang out more and more (thing with other guy fizzled before starting), sex was a regular thing and our girls were enjoying hanging out together. over the 4 months we've been back in contact, we've been camping, made plans for a small trip and I've been helping with her house renovations. Things have been nice. We had agreed that we weren't putting a title on anything and just see where things go.
We were recently at a friends place and during a conversation with one of her friends she made a comment along the lines of "oh, no, we're not together". I was a bit hurt by this and later on mentioned it. We talked a bit about it calmly. I mentioned that she is free to stop pursuing this with me at anytime, but that I would like to continue and that i'd like us to be exclusive and to at least say that we're dating. She agreed to this and even later on when I invited her to a gig I had tickets for we had a laugh about "oohh it sounds like dinner and a date".
Since then though, she turned down the date, has suggested a catch up and then made other plans, not reaching out over text or phone like before and I guess, plenty of other avoidant behaviour. I've done my best to not get annoyed or angry and to just breath through it and not take it personally and to just let her take space. This has been about 2 weeks now. I'm pretty calm about it all now, though definitely went through my ups and downs.
As for my attachment style. I'm definitely AP. I have done a tonne of work on myself over the last 12 months though in mindfulness based therapy which I can definitely see the benefits. Definitely not secure (at least not in this relationship atm haha), but quite self-aware and able to self-regulate (still can take me a couple of days sometimes though).
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Post by tnr9 on Jan 28, 2023 23:22:58 GMT
Thank you for the additional details….I don’t know that you will like my answer, but…it sounds like the 2 of you are on different timelines. You want to secure things with her…whereas, it sounds like she isn’t ready for that…which is why she is breaking “dates” and “avoiding things”. If she truly is FA…then she has 2 fears…fear of abandonment AND fear of engulfment. If you want to stay the course with her…then you have to be willing to have a relationship that fits into her terms of what the 2 of you have. She may have agreed to be exclusive because she did not want conflict….we FAs hate, and I mean hate conflict. So where do you go from here if she comes back….the first thing you have to decide is are you ok with the terms of what you have being flexible and non defined? Or will that cause your AP fears to ramp up? If you are ok with it…then the next step is to pull back on anything that feels like relationship pressure. Treat it like it is a friends with benefits type situation and then let her take the lead on whether things progress or not. That really is all you can do.
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Post by alexandra on Jan 29, 2023 0:57:47 GMT
I agree with tnr9, and I think the reason you're not getting specific approach-based answers is because most of the FAs on this board (who are all aware of their own attachment styles) and those of us who have had long relationships with them that never worked out no matter what know that the FA behaviors are generally about themselves and not their partners. Yes, you can trigger an FA more by pushing them for a more serious relationship than they want, but even if you don't, they have their own issues caused by their past that have nothing to do with you. Unaware insecures of any attachment type will inevitably trigger themselves. Which means there's nothing you can do to shift or even manipulate the dynamic or their responses, it is on them what they want and what they may or may not choose to work on within themselves. So all you can do is make choices that are respectful towards others but prioritize and respect yourself and your needs. If things being 100% on her terms is okay with you, then back off and let her approach and call the shots. If this inconsistency and anxious-avoidant trap dynamic has been the pattern over the past 9 years, though, why is anything going to change now? Has she been doing any work to get more secure or going to therapy, or have only you been putting in that effort on your side? I dated an unaware FA for a long time, textbook AP the first go around, almost secure the second. My behavior was completely different both times, he repeated completely each time. It didn't matter what I did, though letting him approach and always being extremely calm and keeping emotions from escalating allowed us to have better communication. Having to be so measured in how I communicated wasn't entirely fair to me, but I did learn a lot about what he was thinking when it allowed him to open up (usually not at all what I thought or assumed), and eventually it brought me to a very firm understanding that we didn't work because we were actually very incompatible. People have to go through their own process to get to that decision, but 9 years is a very, very long time to be seeing things through without any long-term stability, so that's why you're being advised to make sure you really know what you want and are firm with your own needs and boundaries within yourself as you approach this, instead of making it all about her and your assumptions of her needs. You don't want to enable her if she's displaying unhealthy avoidant behavior, because that's actually codependency and won't get you both on better relationship footing.
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Post by dreadyg on Jan 29, 2023 5:38:23 GMT
Thank you to you both for the responses. Not what I was looking for, but maybe more of what I need. tnr9, I am pretty comfortable with things being a bit undefined and grey, though I do have a boundary around being exclusive (I don't think this is a problem as so does she). I was more upset about hearing her say those words and that I felt we had progressed to "something" despite us not having the conversation about what we were/are. Oh and I did like you're answer alexandra, it sounds like I'm in a similar situation to your round 2. She is an unaware FA, has done some self work since our breakup, but not specifically on attachment. It's really interesting to hear your experience of the second time round. That's a part I'm sort of pondering at the moment. Its difficult to unravel the past and identify who triggered who and where I escalated or reacted at times where I know I just wouldn't now. Or if I was triggered, am now confident I have the self awareness, confidence and skills to manage way better than in the past. Its really hard to know whether that's enough or whether I'll be happy without trying it (I'm sure those of you who have been here are shaking your head lol). You're definitely correct though, people only reach this decision on their own and on their own timeline. The only things that are making me ponder that I continue this path is that a) I have definitely done the work and am continuing the work and am really enjoying seeing my own personal growth and development; and b) when we're not playing the attachment script, we actually have a really great friendship and enjoy each others company and have very similar goals and values. Alexandra, those last couple of sentences are really probably the most important for me to have to learn and I guess what was possibly the core of my original question. Effectively navigating the setting of boundaries and not enabling or accepting unhealthy or hurtful avoidant behaviour.
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