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Post by justconfused on Jun 26, 2023 7:20:30 GMT
Hi all - sorry yet another question to help me understand my (likely) FA, or potentially cPTSD/post-Narcisstic abuse girlfriend (I am secure).
I know mixed messages and push-pull are part of the game with FAs or DAs, but I am really at a loss of what's going on.
Long story short, my recent gf of ~3 months and I have been apart from each other for about 4-6 weeks as she was suffering from personal bereavement and did not feel comfortable seeing each other while she was suffering and feeling raw. She was however taking comfort in hanging out with her closest friends.
She claims that the distance to me is just due to this bereavement, and mentioned a few times that we should meet up. Then when it comes to actual scheduling, however, she goes cold and flakey. Additionally, she temporarily blocked me on social media (and unblocked me again after a few weeks after I told her that I won't leave her even if she needs more space with her bereavement). I also bumped into her on the street also twice and she blanks me.
At the same time she has friendly, lengthy text conversations with me, sending essays and essays of text messages with updates of her life, inquiring how I am doing etc.
My interpretation is that she still likes me (hence the lengthy updates, her suggesting to meet up), but that she gets cold feet as she wants to discuss something with me and is afraid of the outcome. I know that she has extreme fears of discussing even simple things around the relationship with me. In the past, this has been because she's been afraid that her bringing it up would push me away / lead me to leave the relationship.
Alternatively, she is angry with me (only explanation for the temporary social media blocking) or feeling guilty and hence getting cold feet around meeting up and hence avoiding eye contact...
Any thoughts from FAs in the room? At least as a secure person, I find it difficult to understand how we would want to torture ourselves like this for a few weeks rather than talk it through and either move on together, or apart from each other. Certainly as two people who admittedly have/had feelings/ love each other, but it's hard for me to really have this discussion if we don't meet face to face.
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Post by alexandra on Jun 26, 2023 10:14:26 GMT
I wouldn't assume she's mad at you, or that this has anything to do with you at all. Insecures, especially FA, have a lot of difficulty with direct communication and any vulnerability, hence mixed messaging and only communicating with you safely from a distance. She's overwhelmed by her emotions and has no organized strategies to sort through her feelings and get her needs met (FA is also called disorganized attachment). This can get worse in times of great stress -- ie grieving -- especially since insecures of all types get stuck and tend to not fully emotionally process big emotions, or process them very, very slowly. Often, for FA, that can mean freezing to an extent and simply reacting to any emotions and stimulus they encounter as it comes up (or subconsciously avoiding it altogether to make it out of sight out of mind for a while and disassociate until their nervous systems are less overwhelmed and they can begin to process.. one way to do this might be temporary blocking), as well as making decisions out of a fear- and shame-based mindset.
What you need to think about is the bigger picture in regards to if this relationship actually works for you. Yes, grieving is a big deal and I'm not suggesting you be callous or disrespectful about this. But you've only been with this person 3 months and she's already spent half of it distancing from you. She's someone who turns away from you in tough times instead of towards you. Is that the relationship you're really looking for? If this is not working for you, you can support her in her grief if you want to be her friend, but you can't manage her emotions or her fears for her. Even if you're steady and available without any expectation of her, she may still remain closed off because it has to do with her and wherever she's at in her life stage right now, not with you.
When I've dated FA, sometimes they'd come around to finally talk weeks and weeks later (usually to demote the relationship to friendship without ever telling me anything was wrong before they withdrew... I've been told by more than one they can't explain why they withdrew but their logic was to assume it must mean they didn't feel about me the way they believed they should or wanted to feel, or they'd have acted differently. Even if in the same conversation they mentioned they had a pattern of doing this and didn't understand themselves, and even if they came back later to reconcile). And sometimes, usually in earlier dating of a few weeks where things haven't had time to develop seriously yet, they'd say we should talk but never come back to have the conversation at all, and I needed to find my own closure without speaking to them about it.
This isn't something that's done intentionally. But it is something that will be part of a repeating pattern that will build a push-pull dynamic if you're trying to date an FA who isn't actively aware of and independently doing anything to start addressing their issues prior to entering the relationship. You need to decide if that's the dynamic you want, because the communication issues mean there will certainly be times when important decisions are going to be made without discussion or consulting you at all, even under less dire circumstances. It's just something that happens when someone can't trust themselves, can't trust others, and is disconnected from their needs. It can be a tough mindset to understand if you've got a different attachment style and the mindset seems very foreign to you. But the takeaway is you likely have different needs around space, connection, and communication, and you can't change how she wants to approach any of those things. You can only decide if you're compatible together taking into account things as they are.
I am sorry for her loss. Grieving is always difficult, whether there's attachment issues compounding it or not. I don't think that's the only reason for her distance and assume you'd see this come up again and again over time, since her distancing already had come up in your post prior to this loss, but I'd believe that she believes it when she says to you it's just the bereavement.
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Post by anne12 on Jun 27, 2023 9:56:25 GMT
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Post by tnr9 on Jun 27, 2023 10:44:28 GMT
Hi all - sorry yet another question to help me understand my (likely) FA, or potentially cPTSD/post-Narcisstic abuse girlfriend (I am secure). I know mixed messages and push-pull are part of the game with FAs or DAs, but I am really at a loss of what's going on. Long story short, my recent gf of ~3 months and I have been apart from each other for about 4-6 weeks as she was suffering from personal bereavement and did not feel comfortable seeing each other while she was suffering and feeling raw. She was however taking comfort in hanging out with her closest friends. She claims that the distance to me is just due to this bereavement, and mentioned a few times that we should meet up. Then when it comes to actual scheduling, however, she goes cold and flakey. Additionally, she temporarily blocked me on social media (and unblocked me again after a few weeks after I told her that I won't leave her even if she needs more space with her bereavement). I also bumped into her on the street also twice and she blanks me. At the same time she has friendly, lengthy text conversations with me, sending essays and essays of text messages with updates of her life, inquiring how I am doing etc. My interpretation is that she still likes me (hence the lengthy updates, her suggesting to meet up), but that she gets cold feet as she wants to discuss something with me and is afraid of the outcome. I know that she has extreme fears of discussing even simple things around the relationship with me. In the past, this has been because she's been afraid that her bringing it up would push me away / lead me to leave the relationship. Alternatively, she is angry with me (only explanation for the temporary social media blocking) or feeling guilty and hence getting cold feet around meeting up and hence avoiding eye contact... Any thoughts from FAs in the room? At least as a secure person, I find it difficult to understand how we would want to torture ourselves like this for a few weeks rather than talk it through and either move on together, or apart from each other. Certainly as two people who admittedly have/had feelings/ love each other, but it's hard for me to really have this discussion if we don't meet face to face. I am FA. The one thing that stands out to me is your dismissal of what she tells you….she is the best one to explain what is going on and yet you say…”she claims”. If you distrust her and need to create your own stories around her actions…..this is a doomed relationship. It does not sound at all like you are demonstrating secure behaviors but rather anxious ones. Attachment wounding takes years…literally years to process through. I agree with Alexandra, this does not sound like a good fit for either of you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2023 13:43:27 GMT
Hi all - sorry yet another question to help me understand my (likely) FA, or potentially cPTSD/post-Narcisstic abuse girlfriend (I am secure). I know mixed messages and push-pull are part of the game with FAs or DAs, but I am really at a loss of what's going on. Long story short, my recent gf of ~3 months and I have been apart from each other for about 4-6 weeks as she was suffering from personal bereavement and did not feel comfortable seeing each other while she was suffering and feeling raw. She was however taking comfort in hanging out with her closest friends. She claims that the distance to me is just due to this bereavement, and mentioned a few times that we should meet up. Then when it comes to actual scheduling, however, she goes cold and flakey. Additionally, she temporarily blocked me on social media (and unblocked me again after a few weeks after I told her that I won't leave her even if she needs more space with her bereavement). I also bumped into her on the street also twice and she blanks me. At the same time she has friendly, lengthy text conversations with me, sending essays and essays of text messages with updates of her life, inquiring how I am doing etc. My interpretation is that she still likes me (hence the lengthy updates, her suggesting to meet up), but that she gets cold feet as she wants to discuss something with me and is afraid of the outcome. I know that she has extreme fears of discussing even simple things around the relationship with me. In the past, this has been because she's been afraid that her bringing it up would push me away / lead me to leave the relationship. Alternatively, she is angry with me (only explanation for the temporary social media blocking) or feeling guilty and hence getting cold feet around meeting up and hence avoiding eye contact... Any thoughts from FAs in the room? At least as a secure person, I find it difficult to understand how we would want to torture ourselves like this for a few weeks rather than talk it through and either move on together, or apart from each other. Certainly as two people who admittedly have/had feelings/ love each other, but it's hard for me to really have this discussion if we don't meet face to face. I am FA. The one thing that stands out to me is your dismissal of what she tells you….she is the best one to explain what is going on and yet you say…”she claims”. If you distrust her and need to create your own stories around her actions…..this is a doomed relationship. It does not sound at all like you are demonstrating secure behaviors but rather anxious ones. Attachment wounding takes years…literally years to process through. I agree with Alexandra, this does not sound like a good fit for either of you. At 3 months, this didn't get off the ground. This really isn't a secure behavior pattern. You're in the anxious/avoidant trap and missing the forest for the trees.
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