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Post by tnr9 on Dec 21, 2017 15:09:33 GMT
I saw my ex 7 months after the break up....we slipped back into old patterns of being together which left my heart confused and wanting. After an email exchange..it is apparent to me that from his side, he is squarely over me...I am completely in the friend zone. The issue for me is...I am not in the same place. I have (if I am to be completely honest) been in an 8 month "holding"/"hoping" pattern. I admit this has been all on my side as my ex hasn't made any confusing comments about the state of his feelings....I have just been unable to match that ease of transition. We are still friends on FB, I still have all his text messages and all his photos. I am finding it really challenging to let any of it...including the hope...go. But it is wrecking havoc on my emotions because all of this keeps my focus on him. Does anyone have suggestions to help with easing back to friendship? I don't think at this point defriending him is the answer....but would love to hear how a secure would manage this. Also...I am not friends with any other ex....in the past we have gone our separate ways.
i should also add that he wants to come back to the group we first met at (even though he did not attend while we were dating) so that is yet another transition in front of me.
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Post by tnr9 on Dec 21, 2017 18:07:32 GMT
If I am really honest...a part of me wants to tell him to pound sand...that he doesn't get to dictate the terms of things just because x number of months have passed. That I greatly resent the casual almost fatherly way he is treating what happened between us. I want to tell him my heart is broken even if his is whole and no amount of praying that I will grow closer to God will fix that pain right now. Ugh.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 19:59:17 GMT
I saw my ex 7 months after the break up....we slipped back into old patterns of being together which left my heart confused and wanting. After an email exchange..it is apparent to me that from his side, he is squarely over me...I am completely in the friend zone. The issue for me is...I am not in the same place. I have (if I am to be completely honest) been in an 8 month "holding"/"hoping" pattern. I admit this has been all on my side as my ex hasn't made any confusing comments about the state of his feelings....I have just been unable to match that ease of transition. We are still friends on FB, I still have all his text messages and all his photos. I am finding it really challenging to let any of it...including the hope...go. But it is wrecking havoc on my emotions because all of this keeps my focus on him. Does anyone have suggestions to help with easing back to friendship? I don't think at this point defriending him is the answer....but would love to hear how a secure would manage this. Also...I am not friends with any other ex....in the past we have gone our separate ways. i should also add that he wants to come back to the group we first met at (even though he did not attend while we were dating) so that is yet another transition in front of me. Good on you for being honest with yourself and on this forum. One of the characteristics of these relationships is that they are really difficult to let go of so please don't blame yourself - it seems to be part of the deal... I think that by seeing him it sounds as though you're having to play his game all over again - he wants friendship perhaps so he feels OK about things - and feels he has acted in a decent way, perhaps because he'd like to keep you just there without having to make any changes. Either way, it sounds as though it's hurting you and quite understandably so. Given he's been honest and said he's over relationship wise what do you have to gain by holding on except more pain and a longer time to remain in limbo so to speak. It doesn't seem possible to be real friends when one side still harbours romantic feelings - the time for friendship is when you've reached a point where you really don't mind either way and it sounds as though you are not there yet. From personal experience - somewhere between avoidant and secure, I needed space to grieve and really experience my anger/ sadness/ hurt without constantly seeing my ex and at some point along the way, I felt healed enough to see him without being triggered. The no contact was purely for my own sanity rather than an attempt to get him back - and it worked, allowed me to put my own boundaries into place and to build life without him. He would like to see me now - but I am uber wary about being sucked in and whilst I am happy to be casually social, for my own sake that is how it rests. We are no longer friends as such but I have taken down the walls at a time when I felt comfortable about doing so.
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Post by yasmin on Dec 21, 2017 21:14:44 GMT
I am friends with most of my exes, some of them quite close, but there's no romantic feelings remaining. For the period of transition from partners to friends, I think there was just a period of no contact so both could get over it and then gradually you can be friends again. If you share mutual friends it can be nice to "get on", but to be honest most of the exes I have as friends I never had passionate love feelings for in the first place so we were better as friends!
Maybe a period of completely no contact? 2 - 3 months to just get him out of your system and move on? If you don't mix in the same circles and he doesn't add anything to your life as a friend then you've got no obligation to be friends
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Post by tnr9 on Dec 21, 2017 21:31:33 GMT
I admire people who can go into a relationship without having the overwhelming attraction from day one. It really should have been a warning sign when I said " I love you" on the first date and he said " I love you, but as a friend". It took him 3 months before he could simply say "I love you". He was always very honest about where he stood...even if he did not directly say"I am not sure about this" he would often mention his doubts. Those doubts just increased my resolve to win him over. I did take a 30 day no contact break 2 weeks after he broke up with me..and thought of him each and every single one of them. A secure person is able to release a partner in love and move forward it seems...whereas I am able to love him.....but struggling to let the hope go. I appreciate your response...it shows that I still have a ways to go with healing.
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Post by yasmin on Dec 21, 2017 21:42:00 GMT
I've never dated anyone where I have an overwhelming attraction from day one! Or the last time I did I was 14! Every other relationship has been a slow burn for me. It took me almost a year to develop feelings for the FA I was dating actually, before that it was very lukewarm. I am also not sure all secure people are able to let people go as easily as you think, I think plenty of people find it very hard to let go and others are more practical and move on quite easily. Please don't beat yourself up! You're being very honest and very self aware and it's all just a learning curve. All of us have had good and bad and painful relationships and every single person has been rejected probably lots of times and had a few broken hearts.
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Post by tnr9 on Dec 21, 2017 22:04:26 GMT
Thanks Yasmin....I have found the best way of trying to come to terms with my AP is to be honest about myself.
I thought when I asked him to not attend the group we met at (as part of the breakup) that it would be no big deal since he had not been attending the whole time we dated. It is a bit of a drive for him which is why I am perplexed that he has been wanting to come back since September. I thought by seeing him one on one first the feelings would lessen...but instead I had a set back and now feel like I am back to square 1.
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Post by tnr9 on Dec 22, 2017 2:14:46 GMT
So I have just been sitting and seething for the last couple of hours...a part of me wants to "show him" by defriending him on Facebook, blocking him on my phone and email. I think "how dare you play with my emotions as if they did not matter"...as if I was simply a placeholder, a body to cuddle up against whenever he wasn't feeling so great. This is the raging teenager in me who is absolutely ticked for what she did not get and embarrassed for trying so hard. And yet....the little girl who wants to believe it can all work out if I try harder is still present. So I am torn. I won't act on any of it....because to do that is just taking out my hurt on him....and he doesn't deserve that. But it still hurts.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2017 6:47:29 GMT
So I have just been sitting and seething for the last couple of hours...a part of me wants to "show him" by defriending him on Facebook, blocking him on my phone and email. I think "how dare you play with my emotions as if they did not matter"...as if I was simply a placeholder, a body to cuddle up against whenever he wasn't feeling so great. This is the raging teenager in me who is absolutely ticked for what she did not get and embarrassed for trying so hard. And yet....the little girl who wants to believe it can all work out if I try harder is still present. So I am torn. I won't act on any of it....because to do that is just taking out my hurt on him....and he doesn't deserve that. But it still hurts. What you are feeling are stages of grief - anger, lack of acceptance and yes - it does hurt. It strikes me from your post, that this is still all about him - making him feel something even remorse or guilt, making things still work out. Part of acceptance is that you have no control over any of it - no idea what he's thinking and no ability to make him feel differently. If you can reach this point of understanding, things become easier because you will be able to focus on yourself and what you need. So that what ever your action it's not a reaction to the pain or hurt but rather a considered action which has self compassion at its heart. Sitting with emotions especially unpleasant ones, is the most difficult thing and most of us are desperate just to feel better. It helped me when I turned this on it's head and actually allowed myself to sit with the feelings and whirling thoughts - these eventually dissipated and the right course of action became clearer. Maybe this is what you're already doing. It feels wrong because you want to feel better and so you feel the need to do something about it - but in reality being with it is the fastest path to healing and pushing it away by doing is a surefire way to make sure the feelings resurface at a later date.
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Post by tnr9 on Dec 22, 2017 13:43:37 GMT
So I have just been sitting and seething for the last couple of hours...a part of me wants to "show him" by defriending him on Facebook, blocking him on my phone and email. I think "how dare you play with my emotions as if they did not matter"...as if I was simply a placeholder, a body to cuddle up against whenever he wasn't feeling so great. This is the raging teenager in me who is absolutely ticked for what she did not get and embarrassed for trying so hard. And yet....the little girl who wants to believe it can all work out if I try harder is still present. So I am torn. I won't act on any of it....because to do that is just taking out my hurt on him....and he doesn't deserve that. But it still hurts. What you are feeling are stages of grief - anger, lack of acceptance and yes - it does hurt. It strikes me from your post, that this is still all about him - making him feel something even remorse or guilt, making things still work out. Part of acceptance is that you have no control over any of it - no idea what he's thinking and no ability to make him feel differently. If you can reach this point of understanding, things become easier because you will be able to focus on yourself and what you need. So that what ever your action it's not a reaction to the pain or hurt but rather a considered action which has self compassion at its heart. Sitting with emotions especially unpleasant ones, is the most difficult thing and most of us are desperate just to feel better. It helped me when I turned this on it's head and actually allowed myself to sit with the feelings and whirling thoughts - these eventually dissipated and the right course of action became clearer. Maybe this is what you're already doing. It feels wrong because you want to feel better and so you feel the need to do something about it - but in reality being with it is the fastest path to healing and pushing it away by doing is a surefire way to make sure the feelings resurface at a later date. Yes...you are so right....it is at times...all focused on him...and yes...a lot of my thoughts/emotions are reactions. I was simply putting the stuck parts into words. When I recognize that I am acting out of a 3 yr old, 6 yr old, 10 yr old, 13 yr ls perspective...then it helps me from making a poor choice. I love all those parts of me and what they do make sense for their individual age...it does not work as well when I am an older adult letting my stuck parts run the show. I also agree that anger is a stage of grief...but how I feel the anger...what thoughts run through my head is again...not tied into an adult perspective. Ah....you have caught my rub.....trying to not make it about him...making it about me is scary...why? Because then I have to let go of the hope. Hope drove me through a lot of this relationship. It kept me focused on the small things and to try to be a better, more understanding partner. The hope is key and central because giving up feels like failure.....I am not saying that is reality...it just is what goes on with me. I envy DAs who can move on quickly...it seems like the more triggering a person is...the longer my healing/grief time takes. Thank you so much for responding. . Grateful to these boards. I also want to say that hope I think is a key aspect of an AP. We did not give up on the relationship with our caregiver (because sometimes we did get that validation from them) and that hope is a beautiful thing....it just also means that we may stay in a relationship longer and we may miss key red flags or incongruities between us and our partner. I have yet t figure out a good balance of hope.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2017 17:27:07 GMT
What you are feeling are stages of grief - anger, lack of acceptance and yes - it does hurt. It strikes me from your post, that this is still all about him - making him feel something even remorse or guilt, making things still work out. Part of acceptance is that you have no control over any of it - no idea what he's thinking and no ability to make him feel differently. If you can reach this point of understanding, things become easier because you will be able to focus on yourself and what you need. So that what ever your action it's not a reaction to the pain or hurt but rather a considered action which has self compassion at its heart. Sitting with emotions especially unpleasant ones, is the most difficult thing and most of us are desperate just to feel better. It helped me when I turned this on it's head and actually allowed myself to sit with the feelings and whirling thoughts - these eventually dissipated and the right course of action became clearer. Maybe this is what you're already doing. It feels wrong because you want to feel better and so you feel the need to do something about it - but in reality being with it is the fastest path to healing and pushing it away by doing is a surefire way to make sure the feelings resurface at a later date. Yes...you are so right....it is at times...all focused on him...and yes...a lot of my thoughts/emotions are reactions. I was simply putting the stuck parts into words. When I recognize that I am acting out of a 3 yr old, 6 yr old, 10 yr old, 13 yr ls perspective...then it helps me from making a poor choice. I love all those parts of me and what they do make sense for their individual age...it does not work as well when I am an older adult letting my stuck parts run the show. I also agree that anger is a stage of grief...but how I feel the anger...what thoughts run through my head is again...not tied into an adult perspective. Ah....you have caught my rub.....trying to not make it about him...making it about me is scary...why? Because then I have to let go of the hope. Hope drove me through a lot of this relationship. It kept me focused on the small things and to try to be a better, more understanding partner. The hope is key and central because giving up feels like failure.....I am not saying that is reality...it just is what goes on with me. I envy DAs who can move on quickly...it seems like the more triggering a person is...the longer my healing/grief time takes. Thank you so much for responding. . Grateful to these boards. I also want to say that hope I think is a key aspect of an AP. We did not give up on the relationship with our caregiver (because sometimes we did get that validation from them) and that hope is a beautiful thing....it just also means that we may stay in a relationship longer and we may miss key red flags or incongruities between us and our partner. I have yet t figure out a good balance of hope. Everyone has their own timeline, but I think it takes most people of all styles time to get over a break up. We all think "we should be over it by now" but there is no set time. It took me 2 plus years to grieve my last long term relationship and we never became friends. You may feel stuck, but I think a lot of the break up process you are going through is natural. Once you are able to fully grieve and move on, you can focus on dating a partner that will trigger you less and make you happy. It's a learning process to get to a more secure place and then attract a more secure partner. Try to put some of your hope towards the future and less on the past. Allow yourself whatever time you need. Enlist the support of friends. Be kind to yourself.
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Post by tnr9 on Dec 22, 2017 22:36:18 GMT
Yes...you are so right....it is at times...all focused on him...and yes...a lot of my thoughts/emotions are reactions. I was simply putting the stuck parts into words. When I recognize that I am acting out of a 3 yr old, 6 yr old, 10 yr old, 13 yr ls perspective...then it helps me from making a poor choice. I love all those parts of me and what they do make sense for their individual age...it does not work as well when I am an older adult letting my stuck parts run the show. I also agree that anger is a stage of grief...but how I feel the anger...what thoughts run through my head is again...not tied into an adult perspective. Ah....you have caught my rub.....trying to not make it about him...making it about me is scary...why? Because then I have to let go of the hope. Hope drove me through a lot of this relationship. It kept me focused on the small things and to try to be a better, more understanding partner. The hope is key and central because giving up feels like failure.....I am not saying that is reality...it just is what goes on with me. I envy DAs who can move on quickly...it seems like the more triggering a person is...the longer my healing/grief time takes. Thank you so much for responding. . Grateful to these boards. I also want to say that hope I think is a key aspect of an AP. We did not give up on the relationship with our caregiver (because sometimes we did get that validation from them) and that hope is a beautiful thing....it just also means that we may stay in a relationship longer and we may miss key red flags or incongruities between us and our partner. I have yet t figure out a good balance of hope. Everyone has their own timeline, but I think it takes most people of all styles time to get over a break up. We all think "we should be over it by now" but there is no set time. It took me 2 plus years to grieve my last long term relationship and we never became friends. You may feel stuck, but I think a lot of the break up process you are going through is natural. Once you are able to fully grieve and move on, you can focus on dating a partner that will trigger you less and make you happy. It's a learning process to get to a more secure place and then attract a more secure partner. Try to put some of your hope towards the future and less on the past. Allow yourself whatever time you need. Enlist the support of friends. Be kind to yourself. Thank you Mary....so appreciate your post and you.
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Post by stellar1969 on Dec 22, 2017 23:07:13 GMT
I admire people who can go into a relationship without having the overwhelming attraction from day one. It really should have been a warning sign when I said " I love you" on the first date and he said " I love you, but as a friend". It took him 3 months before he could simply say "I love you". He was always very honest about where he stood...even if he did not directly say"I am not sure about this" he would often mention his doubts. Those doubts just increased my resolve to win him over. I did take a 30 day no contact break 2 weeks after he broke up with me..and thought of him each and every single one of them. A secure person is able to release a partner in love and move forward it seems...whereas I am able to love him.....but struggling to let the hope go. I appreciate your response...it shows that I still have a ways to go with healing. My ex DA said one thing and showed other things. "Don't get too attached" "I don't want a girlfriend" Then when I downloaded our mutual texts off my phone after a year, there were 13,000 texts. 2/3 of them me, but still... Then he would let me know if he were going out of town or would be out of cell range. We were only FWB's. I think sexuality and closeness get confusing. I never told him I loved him unless it was during sex. Then he could hear it. He only once said he loved me, like a friend...Yuck. My other two relationships that are over are still in my life. My ex husband is my friend and my ex boyfriend is my best friend. There is no way I could be friends with this latest man. I get freaked out even when I am driving in his area of town. It was an attachment, not a healthy committed relationship. I cannot be around him, He did not treat me well most of the time. Sometimes friendships are not possible.
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Post by tnr9 on Dec 23, 2017 1:08:41 GMT
I admire people who can go into a relationship without having the overwhelming attraction from day one. It really should have been a warning sign when I said " I love you" on the first date and he said " I love you, but as a friend". It took him 3 months before he could simply say "I love you". He was always very honest about where he stood...even if he did not directly say"I am not sure about this" he would often mention his doubts. Those doubts just increased my resolve to win him over. I did take a 30 day no contact break 2 weeks after he broke up with me..and thought of him each and every single one of them. A secure person is able to release a partner in love and move forward it seems...whereas I am able to love him.....but struggling to let the hope go. I appreciate your response...it shows that I still have a ways to go with healing. My ex DA said one thing and showed other things. "Don't get too attached" "I don't want a girlfriend" Then when I downloaded our mutual texts off my phone after a year, there were 13,000 texts. 2/3 of them me, but still... Then he would let me know if he were going out of town or would be out of cell range. We were only FWB's. I think sexuality and closeness get confusing. I never told him I loved him unless it was during sex. Then he could hear it. He only once said he loved me, like a friend...Yuck. My other two relationships that are over are still in my life. My ex husband is my friend and my ex boyfriend is my best friend. There is no way I could be friends with this latest man. I get freaked out even when I am driving in his area of town. It was an attachment, not a healthy committed relationship. I cannot be around him, He did not treat me well most of the time. Sometimes friendships are not possible. Thanks Stellar...I was talking to my mom and she thinks that my ex never saw a future with me...that he was squarely in the moment while I was in it for the future. In fact when he broke up with me he said he did not think our relationship would be anything serious but then he grew to love me. Sigh. Now he wants a friendship, but I am not sure if that is possible. He was not ever mean to me...but oh the triggering.
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Post by tnr9 on Dec 24, 2017 3:02:04 GMT
So the other day my ex liked new photos by a couple of mutual friends and I honestly admit that I was 1. Jealous and 2. Sad....what I realize is that my ex hasn't responded to an email I sent to him and I have interpreted his liking of those friends photos as pointing to him not liking my email (that I said something wrong or that my overall message wasn't received in the context it was sent in)..thus punishing me...but he doesn't have any bad feelings about our mutual friends...so he has no issue with liking their photos. I know this isn't necessarily an accurate interpretation of events (and it is a high probability I have gotten this wrong)..but this is where my thoughts and feelings immediately went so the rest of the day was very hard with lots of regret and missing him and if only thoughts. I wish I could say this only has happened when we were split up, but it happened also while we were dating. I never raised this with him...but I used to journal about this fear of saying/doing the wrong thing and being punished either through his distance/non communication or non likes on FB. The worst thing is I did not feel ok to raise any of this with him to dispel these thoughts. I thought I had to deal with all my fears and insecurities on my own because I did not want to push him further away.
Just a reminder that I am only speaking to my own flavor of AP.
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