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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 22:28:17 GMT
- or dating scenarios. It literally feels like jumping off a cliff. Does anyone else find they have to super psych themselves up just to say "no" to someone or a situation that they know is making them anxious or they know isn't even an enjoyable relationship?
I get paralysed by guilt and fear. It sucks.
Recently got back into contact with my FA, and I have that "doom" feeling in my gut, and I know I need to walk away but now I feel I have to jump off that cliff again.
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Post by tnr9 on Jan 18, 2018 22:51:46 GMT
I usually don't have a problem unless I have "feelings" for the other person and then I don't want the relationship to end.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 23:40:58 GMT
- or dating scenarios. It literally feels like jumping off a cliff. Does anyone else find they have to super psych themselves up just to say "no" to someone or a situation that they know is making them anxious or they know isn't even an enjoyable relationship? I get paralysed by guilt and fear. It sucks. Recently got back into contact with my FA, and I have that "doom" feeling in my gut, and I know I need to walk away but now I feel I have to jump off that cliff again. I think it is quite normal to feel nervous breaking up. Especially for an anxious type because rejection and abandonment are among the worst fears so the thought that you might someone else feel rejected and abandoned is a though they may not be able to come to terms with. However, if you stay in a relationship that is making you miserable to save the feelings of your partner you are still abandoning them, and yourself too. If you are staying to spare their feelings, your unhappiness will not create a happier situation for them because you can't be honest in a situation like that And it certainly won't get better for you if you are not being honest with yourself. If the person is FA I think they would rather you break things off then act out anxiously or prolong a bad situation. They seem to move on a bit faster than their anxious counterparts, and please FA's if I am incorrect in saying that, correct me. This is just what I have read in all the resources about the subject of Attachment.
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Post by ocarina on Jan 18, 2018 23:58:24 GMT
- or dating scenarios. It literally feels like jumping off a cliff. Does anyone else find they have to super psych themselves up just to say "no" to someone or a situation that they know is making them anxious or they know isn't even an enjoyable relationship? I get paralysed by guilt and fear. It sucks. Recently got back into contact with my FA, and I have that "doom" feeling in my gut, and I know I need to walk away but now I feel I have to jump off that cliff again. I think it is quite normal to feel nervous breaking up. Especially for an anxious type because rejection and abandonment are among the worst fears so the thought that you might someone else feel rejected and abandoned is a though they may not be able to come to terms with. However, if you stay in a relationship that is making you miserable to save the feelings of your partner you are still abandoning them, and yourself too. If you are staying to spare their feelings, your unhappiness will not create a happier situation for them because you can't be honest in a situation like that And it certainly won't get better for you if you are not being honest with yourself. If the person is FA I think they would rather you break things off then act out anxiously or prolong a bad situation. They seem to move on a bit faster than their anxious counterparts, and please FA's if I am incorrect in saying that, correct me. This is just what I have read in all the resources about the subject of Attachment. I am an FA and would always rather be with a partner who broke things off clearly and honestly rather than left me guessing. I find it incredibly hard to break off relationships too, in that I will prevaricate and stay for fear of upsetting my partner. However I am often mentally checked out a very long time previously and then when I do leave - usually suddenly, my partner will be incredibly shocked. Unfortunately by then it's usually irreparable damage. I will also sometimes jump from relationships out of fear that the other person doesn't want me - ie to reject before being rejected. Usually this happens when I am with someone I desperately want to be with and often in hindsight I have misinterpreted their lack of interest in me or rather seen it through my own eyes rather than the reality of the situation.
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Post by kristyrose on Jan 19, 2018 1:01:04 GMT
I am an FA and would always rather be with a partner who broke things off clearly and honestly rather than left me guessing. I find it incredibly hard to break off relationships too, in that I will prevaricate and stay for fear of upsetting my partner. However I am often mentally checked out a very long time previously and then when I do leave - usually suddenly, my partner will be incredibly shocked. Unfortunately by then it's usually irreparable damage. I will also sometimes jump from relationships out of fear that the other person doesn't want me - ie to reject before being rejected. Usually this happens when I am with someone I desperately want to be with and often in hindsight I have misinterpreted their lack of interest in me or rather seen it through my own eyes rather than the reality of the situation. Hi Ocaria, My ex FA broke things offs with me last April and I went NC for almost 2 months, he continued to reach out. We started dating again and have been for the past 8 months, but he isn't willing to call us back together. I do not understand why he broke it off in the first place, other than him saying he thought we fought too much and "things have been bad for a while"- so to your point, I think he felt off for some time and then made the decision to end things. I understand that, but I do not understand where his head is at now, and we agreed to have a talk this week, but I'm not all that optimistic he will at least agree that we are together with no pressure or expectations, just want to take things day by day accepting who we both are. Would you mind providing some insight? I totally understand that you don't know him as a whole person, but I can tell you he is classic FA and I am classic AP working towards secure.
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Post by ocarina on Jan 19, 2018 11:22:11 GMT
I am an FA and would always rather be with a partner who broke things off clearly and honestly rather than left me guessing. I find it incredibly hard to break off relationships too, in that I will prevaricate and stay for fear of upsetting my partner. However I am often mentally checked out a very long time previously and then when I do leave - usually suddenly, my partner will be incredibly shocked. Unfortunately by then it's usually irreparable damage. I will also sometimes jump from relationships out of fear that the other person doesn't want me - ie to reject before being rejected. Usually this happens when I am with someone I desperately want to be with and often in hindsight I have misinterpreted their lack of interest in me or rather seen it through my own eyes rather than the reality of the situation. Hi Ocaria, My ex FA broke things offs with me last April and I went NC for almost 2 months, he continued to reach out. We started dating again and have been for the past 8 months, but he isn't willing to call us back together. I do not understand why he broke it off in the first place, other than him saying he thought we fought too much and "things have been bad for a while"- so to your point, I think he felt off for some time and then made the decision to end things. I understand that, but I do not understand where his head is at now, and we agreed to have a talk this week, but I'm not all that optimistic he will at least agree that we are together with no pressure or expectations, just want to take things day by day accepting who we both are. Would you mind providing some insight? I totally understand that you don't know him as a whole person, but I can tell you he is classic FA and I am classic AP working towards secure. I can try Kirsty - and this is from a totally personal point of view I guess. Firstly any sign of insecurity or neediness makes me run for the hills - it's a sad reflection I suspect of finding it difficult to accept and express my own vulnerability and I think I am getting better at it, but previously I required some kind of impossible perfection from myself and from my partner so when a relationship became real I would run because there was a kind of pressure to be really seen which I found difficult. Secondly I struggle enough to look after myself, a relationship in which is appears I need to be emotionally supportive to another person, that I have responsibility for their wellbeing feels like a pressure. Once the relationship label goes, then the pressure goes even if I continue to see the person. In my last relationship with a fellow avoidant because we were both ridiculously independent the apparent responsibility was not there which made things easier for me. Perhaps this person struggles with pressure of expectations in the same way? For me, I tend to become happier to consider the relationship idea if I have some time and space from the person - it's asthough things get too much and then suddenly I explode with stress from unsaid needs, fear of conflict which has shut down communication. At this point I will run, but often once the dust clears, feel more able to discuss and see my behaviour clearly. I am not sure if this will help at all - the problem for me is all mine, poor communication and incredibly strong self reliance makes it very difficult to get and stay close - I also take a very very long time to get close to people. Any hint of sympathy or too much probing to understand things freaks me out too. My ideal partner is one who's there for me - and really present, but is willing to give me time and space to open up. I hope I can offer much the same nowadays.
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Post by ocarina on Jan 19, 2018 13:52:45 GMT
To add - when I feel off in a relationship, it may actually be a reflection of my own internal state which I then translate into something being wrong in the relationship - I suspect this is something that happens alot in life. If you feel broken inside it's much easier to blame it on something ie lover, job, house, money, weight etc than to really examine and sit with the hurt. In my experience APs turn to relationships when the feel broken and avoidants turn outside relationships ie to work, addictions etc
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 14:08:05 GMT
To add - when I feel off in a relationship, it may actually be a reflection of my own internal state which I then translate into something being wrong in the relationship - I suspect this is something that happens alot in life. If you feel broken inside it's much easier to blame it on something ie lover, job, house, money, weight etc than to really examine and sit with the hurt. In my experience APs turn to relationships when the feel broken and avoidants turn outside relationships ie to work, addictions etc Ocarina thank you for your self awareness. I'm an FA (who teeters more to AP) but I often compartmentalise my own awareness .... like for example, all of the above also fits a description of myself, yet when I'm thinking about my FA I become clueless, and then I can read this from his perspective and understand. It's really weird? Since, surely I of all people can relate to what is happening for him, but because I turn AP with him, and he turns more AV with me, I become clueless haha! I just don't know how to date an FA, it feels impossible to me. Because, even when things are going well, they aren't ... I know my FA likes me but it's this weird skittish IN/OUT/IN/OUT unsaid attitude that seems to be going on that confuses me so much... right now we're in a kind of weird limbo land, where he wants me THERE but there's no progression... and I can't tell whether I'm being benched or if FA really just doesn't know me well enough. Can you shed any light out of your own insight?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 14:11:59 GMT
Someone mentioned before about it being like walking on glass ... that's how I feel. Scrutinised closely, judged harshly for human imperfection, like I'm on a stage for an Improv show and there's one person in the audience and they're looking really unimpressed about the show but I'm doing my best? What kinda annoys me about my FA (and probably myself) is that someone could be really amazing and I'll still feel "off" sometimes, but I tell them... it wasn't until my FA started picking apart things I do that I realised how paralysing that is. It's just really difficult.
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Post by tnr9 on Jan 19, 2018 14:19:04 GMT
Someone mentioned before about it being like walking on glass ... that's how I feel. Scrutinised closely, judged harshly for human imperfection, like I'm on a stage for an Improv show and there's one person in the audience and they're looking really unimpressed about the show but I'm doing my best? What kinda annoys me about my FA (and probably myself) is that someone could be really amazing and I'll still feel "off" sometimes, but I tell them... it wasn't until my FA started picking apart things I do that I realised how paralysing that is. It's just really difficult. I can relate...I don't know what my ex is...but he kept talking about doubts and considerations...and I always felt like a bug under a magnifying glass...being judged against some fantasy girl that would be "the one". I honestly could never relax in knowing I was in a relationship because it seemed so fragile. The worst part was he would never elaborate...just made these vague statements that I interpreted as him not ever being sure about us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 14:29:46 GMT
Someone mentioned before about it being like walking on glass ... that's how I feel. Scrutinised closely, judged harshly for human imperfection, like I'm on a stage for an Improv show and there's one person in the audience and they're looking really unimpressed about the show but I'm doing my best? What kinda annoys me about my FA (and probably myself) is that someone could be really amazing and I'll still feel "off" sometimes, but I tell them... it wasn't until my FA started picking apart things I do that I realised how paralysing that is. It's just really difficult. I can relate...I don't know what my ex is...but he kept talking about doubts and considerations...and I always felt like a bug under a magnifying glass...being judged against some fantasy girl that would be "the one". I honestly could never relax in knowing I was in a relationship because it seemed so fragile. The worst part was he would never elaborate...just made these vague statements that I interpreted as him not ever being sure about us. It makes me feel sad to finally realise that I did this to so many people in my life. I really relate to what you just said, from the other side, since I did that to every partner I had. People would ask how things were going with us and I'd slag my partner off because all I could see were the parts that didn't match the ideal or if I really liked them and was past the idealisation stage, if you gave me long enough it'd be "yeah, they're good but-". It was always vague for me too because I could never put my finger on why I resented the weight of the relationship ... I had an ideal in my head about what I wanted, and of course, no one could fit that ideal all of the time and I'd be so disappointed when they couldn't and I'd make a huge ruckus about it ... in a "change or I leave" kind of way. I can't imagine how grateful my exes are when I eventually left them! Like you said, you're never going to be "the one", maybe we're best off just telling them from the get-go that we're imperfect and that we'll never be perfect, and to expect some challenge in that way.
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Post by ocarina on Jan 19, 2018 14:55:21 GMT
To add - when I feel off in a relationship, it may actually be a reflection of my own internal state which I then translate into something being wrong in the relationship - I suspect this is something that happens alot in life. If you feel broken inside it's much easier to blame it on something ie lover, job, house, money, weight etc than to really examine and sit with the hurt. In my experience APs turn to relationships when the feel broken and avoidants turn outside relationships ie to work, addictions etc Ocarina thank you for your self awareness. I'm an FA (who teeters more to AP) but I often compartmentalise my own awareness .... like for example, all of the above also fits a description of myself, yet when I'm thinking about my FA I become clueless, and then I can read this from his perspective and understand. It's really weird? Since, surely I of all people can relate to what is happening for him, but because I turn AP with him, and he turns more AV with me, I become clueless haha! I just don't know how to date an FA, it feels impossible to me. Because, even when things are going well, they aren't ... I know my FA likes me but it's this weird skittish IN/OUT/IN/OUT unsaid attitude that seems to be going on that confuses me so much... right now we're in a kind of weird limbo land, where he wants me THERE but there's no progression... and I can't tell whether I'm being benched or if FA really just doesn't know me well enough. Can you shed any light out of your own insight? 'I will have a go. I don't think that as the partner of an FA that there is very much you can "do" as such - and the doing often makes things worse. I think it genuinely is an impossible situation - in that deciding to change and cultivate self awareness is a very personal thing and requires internal motivation. Even the people who change for another person can't do so for long (as we see on here so often). I think in all relationships whatever attachment style we are, we owe it to the other to seek inner clarity ourselves - to be ok with not being perfect and to be completely honest from the get go about ourselves. That sounds simple but it's so from what we are - with the layers of persona, insecurities, boundaries to keep ourselves within our comfort zone etc. All these things also mean that when our intimate partner touches bits of what we don't like, it burns and we either run, or try to fix it or don't say anything for fear of rocking the boat or whatever. Our only option is to truly see the person as who they are - and if necessary walk away or learn to be internally ok enough to be able to navigate things as they come along. So often things are nearly perfect so we try to manipulate the other person into place - invalidating the fact that they too are humans, different ones than us, who will continue to press our buttons etc unless we learn to accept and embrace the buttons. If we can do this, we have the chance to look at the other person as a real gift who can help teach us to approach our own healing with a compassionate embrace rather than running, or trying to fix. I don't know if this makes any sense at all - but this has certainly been my experience both with myself and in my relationships - it's a work in progress.
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Post by kristyrose on Jan 19, 2018 18:08:26 GMT
'I will have a go. I don't think that as the partner of an FA that there is very much you can "do" as such - and the doing often makes things worse. I think it genuinely is an impossible situation - in that deciding to change and cultivate self awareness is a very personal thing and requires internal motivation. Even the people who change for another person can't do so for long (as we see on here so often). I think in all relationships whatever attachment style we are, we owe it to the other to seek inner clarity ourselves - to be ok with not being perfect and to be completely honest from the get go about ourselves. That sounds simple but it's so from what we are - with the layers of persona, insecurities, boundaries to keep ourselves within our comfort zone etc. All these things also mean that when our intimate partner touches bits of what we don't like, it burns and we either run, or try to fix it or don't say anything for fear of rocking the boat or whatever. Our only option is to truly see the person as who they are - and if necessary walk away or learn to be internally ok enough to be able to navigate things as they come along. So often things are nearly perfect so we try to manipulate the other person into place - invalidating the fact that they too are humans, different ones than us, who will continue to press our buttons etc unless we learn to accept and embrace the buttons. If we can do this, we have the chance to look at the other person as a real gift who can help teach us to approach our own healing with a compassionate embrace rather than running, or trying to fix. I don't know if this makes any sense at all - but this has certainly been my experience both with myself and in my relationships - it's a work in progress. I think this is beautifully stated. I've spent the greater part of last year looking inward at my AP tendencies and I can see how I pushed too hard on my ex to fulfill a role in my life he wasn't quite ready for. I wish I had gone slower with him, I think he got overwhelmed because about 2 yrs in, he started picking fights nonstop. Once we came back together as a non-couple, the fighting he broke up with me over was gone. I realize now the pressure was gone and I continue to learn how to self-soothe and not reach out and give him space, we are coming to a place of more honesty. He invited me out this saturday but said we cannot have a sleepover. A strange thing to impose out of nowhere, but I think he is feeling that we are getting too close again, so I'm going to have to back off. We are having a talk tonight about us, so I'm just going to let him know where I'm at and "stand still". he will probably run, but always comes back, just want to try and slow down this cycle.
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Post by kristyrose on Jan 19, 2018 18:41:42 GMT
To add - when I feel off in a relationship, it may actually be a reflection of my own internal state which I then translate into something being wrong in the relationship - I suspect this is something that happens alot in life. If you feel broken inside it's much easier to blame it on something ie lover, job, house, money, weight etc than to really examine and sit with the hurt. In my experience APs turn to relationships when the feel broken and avoidants turn outside relationships ie to work, addictions etc Ocarina, Thank you for this post and the one before it as well. You have given me more insight into how he may be feeling. He keeps coming back, but I want him to feel like he can be away as long as he needs to without it always having to be him declaring we must move on. He is a wonderful person and I sometimes see him struggle with me, just want him to feel safe and free. I'm learning so much on this forum about how my actions as an AP can affect those who are on the avoidant side and Im learning so much. The more I continue to work on self-soothing and slowing down and avoiding just being reactive to his pushing me away, the more clearly I can see when and how he gets activated.
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Post by yasmin on Jan 19, 2018 18:52:14 GMT
I think it is quite normal to feel nervous breaking up. Especially for an anxious type because rejection and abandonment are among the worst fears so the thought that you might someone else feel rejected and abandoned is a though they may not be able to come to terms with. However, if you stay in a relationship that is making you miserable to save the feelings of your partner you are still abandoning them, and yourself too. If you are staying to spare their feelings, your unhappiness will not create a happier situation for them because you can't be honest in a situation like that And it certainly won't get better for you if you are not being honest with yourself. If the person is FA I think they would rather you break things off then act out anxiously or prolong a bad situation. They seem to move on a bit faster than their anxious counterparts, and please FA's if I am incorrect in saying that, correct me. This is just what I have read in all the resources about the subject of Attachment. I am an FA and would always rather be with a partner who broke things off clearly and honestly rather than left me guessing. I find it incredibly hard to break off relationships too, in that I will prevaricate and stay for fear of upsetting my partner. However I am often mentally checked out a very long time previously and then when I do leave - usually suddenly, my partner will be incredibly shocked. Unfortunately by then it's usually irreparable damage. I will also sometimes jump from relationships out of fear that the other person doesn't want me - ie to reject before being rejected. Usually this happens when I am with someone I desperately want to be with and often in hindsight I have misinterpreted their lack of interest in me or rather seen it through my own eyes rather than the reality of the situation. This and your other posts are very, very, very much like me. I think we have very similar attachment styles ocarina
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