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Post by flic on May 8, 2018 4:47:25 GMT
A lot of advice here on the forum and also in the books / blogs I read about Attachment Theory conclude with the idea that often, the Anxious and Avoidant are just not a good match.
Now, rationally I can see this, but as we know, this does not quiet a longing heart. It does not stop one from loving / idealising and pining for their ex, and it doesn't quash the hope that I will change / they will change and that we will live the happily ever after.
I know my ex thinks we are incompatible without even knowing about Attachment theory, and yet it still has no bearing on my feelings and my hope.
Just wondered if anyone has any advice on tools / techniques to accept that even though the love was real, the match is not a good one.
i don't want to keep fanning the flame, I want to let it go. But I just can't make my emotional side listen to my rational.
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Post by flic on May 8, 2018 9:51:01 GMT
flic - have you ever been in a relationship with a secure before? I think another thing in his book - or somewhere else I read - said that you can only appreciate how nice it is to be with a secure (no matter how 'boring' or uneventful it is) when you have experienced both a safe relationship with a secure and a toxic one with an insecure. I've had that before. And I remind myself everyday when I feel weak with my insecure ex how invincible I felt when I felt completely loved and safe with my secure ex. My secure ex and I had actual life obstacles in front of us too, but I never felt the impending doom or awful struggle that I did/do with my most recent ex. Or the enormous heartache when it did eventually end because of these circumstances. As an FA, some people might say this man was my 'phantom' ex, but I don't believe so, because what we had was healthy and I have to remember that's the type of relationship I'm trying to get back to, instead of settling for someone who makes me feel not good enough - which I know is also untrue. I'd have said I was secure before my last relationship, but now I think maybe i had AP tendencies but I was just in a really good space mentally (I'd really embraced independence and and was loving single life). I actually think that's why my ex was so intro me - he felt very safe, but didn't find me boring (because little did he know, im a crazy AP!). I did have a 5 year relationship with someone who i think was secure, though he was still a bit emotionally unavailable (and i did act out a lot and throw tantrums...not because i thought he would leave me, but because of the lack of intimacy i think). You're right though, I did feel safe with him, even if it meant i was bored sometimes The thing is, my most recent ex never did anything particularly overt to make me feel not good enough, by all accounts he was an amazing boyfriend - so much physical intimacy and always doing nice things for me. I just never felt quite at ease or safe, because i always knew he was holding back a bit, never quite letting me in, and sometimes i'd get anxious about the space he needed, which was new for me to feel (I didn't realise some of is unease in letting me in was just fear, which i feel bad about now because he basically told me it was). I feel like he might be more FA than DA? As soon as he didn't feel safe with me he ran. But that's kind of my point - I feel like he was justified in doing so - so it's hard not to feel like if I just changed, he wouldn't have run away. And, it was always always exciting with him. I feel like i actually have to change my desire for excitement and adrenaline in the early stages of a relationship - which feels so counter-intuitive! Do you feel like that, or are you able to say that's what you want, and go after the safety?
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Post by flic on May 8, 2018 9:58:01 GMT
I also want to add that I believe that man helped me become secure. I'm not in contact with him, have all the love in the world for him, but can live my life happily without him. But now, I think with the wrong partner, I've regressed to FA. I seem to be unhappy with him AND without him. Some food for thought. Yeah i get that. I am wondering whether my ex made me fall solidly into AP territory - i used to love being alone and be really happy out of relationships and be really independent, and now I'm experiencing a loneliness I've never felt before and am scared to be single and feel like i've lost myself in losing him. I'm still friends with my ex secure - like you i have lots of love for him, but I actually wouldn't want to be with him. Maybe I need to start looking for a man like him again though. It's hard - all my friends and family loved him, but also said he was 'boring' in comparison to my recent ex. Really interesting to get your perspective on all this as an FA.
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Post by tnr9 on May 8, 2018 11:18:39 GMT
Hey Flic...our attachment issues only come out when we are in relationships...which explains why we can feel so in control and secure when we are not with a partner and then be completely surprised at how triggered we are with one. I believe B is FA as well with DA tendencies. Things get to be too much...he pulls back..way back....because he cannot handle strong emotions...and I am a very emotional girl...so even trying to navigate back to friendship has been challenging.
I think the best thing you can do (if you are truly interested in moving on) is to change your thoughts about where you are at and also your thoughts about him. Right now...what you are calling your "hopeful side" is simply the little girl who wants to believe a different outcome is possible with this man....change the dialogue to say..."I let this man go in love, while I look forward to dating a man who is...(name the specific characteristics you are looking for)". And then visualize yourself with someone else who treats you the way you want (don't let your picture ever go back to one with him).
For APs, we hate to give up on anyone we love because to give up on our parents wasn't an option....even with the inconsistent responses, we still developed hope that we could achieve a different outcome...and all we have done is transferred that very message onto our dating partner. But our dating partner is not our parents....so we can let them go..in love.
It is a lot of work to catch yourself in the act of
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Post by DearLover on May 8, 2018 15:57:06 GMT
For me, I am just concentrating on the way I felt in the relationship. I am stopping obsessing about his behaviour, what he did or didn't do and whatever emotional problem he might have. Do I ever want to feel that way again? Nope. That has been enough for me to see that he isn't the right person for me and I am not the right person for him and that is it! We were in each other's life for a reason, everything dies and changes. I am accepting it. It is much easier than going against to 'what is'.
Also compatibility and being secure doesn't guarantee a happily ever after either, there are lots more variables into play.
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Post by leavethelighton on May 9, 2018 23:46:00 GMT
. . . Just wondered if anyone has any advice on tools / techniques to accept that even though the love was real, the match is not a good one. i don't want to keep fanning the flame, I want to let it go. But I just can't make my emotional side listen to my rational. The struggle is real. I think for a long time I felt like there must be some "solution," some strategy for "letting go"; either I hadn't found it or deep down I didn't really want to let go. Then I decided it was impossible to let go. I don't know what I think now, though I am finally able to be more rational about it. I can't say I ever found a magical strategy (and we're talking a full decade). It's just that eventually-- preferably in less than a decade-- you realize that you want to love people who will stick around and put in more effort, and Mr/MsDA is never going to be that person. If they were, you wouldn't be on these forums. I know hope can spring eternal. But you're right, one doesn't have to keep fanning the flame just because it can't be fully extinguished. Whatever behaviors you engage in that are your version of "fanning the flame"-- keep trying from different angles to do it less. And whatever would fan OTHER flames, keep trying to do that more. And it won't change quickly, but it will change by degrees, until you feel like you have finally changed.
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Post by flic on May 10, 2018 0:24:12 GMT
. . . Just wondered if anyone has any advice on tools / techniques to accept that even though the love was real, the match is not a good one. i don't want to keep fanning the flame, I want to let it go. But I just can't make my emotional side listen to my rational. The struggle is real. I think for a long time I felt like there must be some "solution," some strategy for "letting go"; either I hadn't found it or deep down I didn't really want to let go. Then I decided it was impossible to let go. I don't know what I think now, though I am finally able to be more rational about it. I can't say I ever found a magical strategy (and we're talking a full decade). It's just that eventually-- preferably in less than a decade-- you realize that you want to love people who will stick around and put in more effort, and Mr/MsDA is never going to be that person. If they were, you wouldn't be on these forums. I know hope can spring eternal. But you're right, one doesn't have to keep fanning the flame just because it can't be fully extinguished. Whatever behaviors you engage in that are your version of "fanning the flame"-- keep trying from different angles to do it less. And whatever would fan OTHER flames, keep trying to do that more. And it won't change quickly, but it will change by degrees, until you feel like you have finally changed. Interestingly, the action I took yesterday - in replying to my (FA i actually think)'s letter to me where he clearly explains why it can never work between us - by sending him a reply acknowledging that it can't work, that we are incompatible, is the best thing i could have done. It has extinguished the flame of hope, maybe not entirely, but by me saying it, owning responsibility for the acceptance of it being over (as much as i didn't want to) he now knows that i accept it. Even if it's not fully true, it stops me from thinking that he thinks Im waiting for him, it gives him permission to move on, it gives me permission to move on. It still hurts, and there's still moments where i want to have hope, but it's definitely drawn a line under it. I feel more free.
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