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Post by ocarina on Jul 16, 2018 20:15:51 GMT
hi notalone . i want to encourage you , that there isn't a right or wrong way to do this. as long as you are diligent in your effort to awaken to your own self-abandoning habits that you learned in order to cope when you were young, that process will eventually lead you to where you want to be in your relationships both with yourself and with others. So have faith, that if you keep at it, you will be ok. just keep going. also, i just listened to a talk about letting go of things that we want, which are ultimately causing us a lot of pain. It applies to persons, situations, outcomes, which we can't control but have a strong preference about. i have had to do this with my relationship and other things also. It's been helpful. I will share the process, and you can decide if it is helpful to you. It's a way of thinking through the situation and being in touch with the reality of it, and being very present to the feelings and thoughts that arise, in order to slow down the story-telling and mental traps that go along with denial and clinging to what we can't have. In your situation, the process might look like this: 1) I recognize that i have a strong, even overwhelming preference for things to be other than they are. What i would prefer is to be in a healthy intimate relationship with this person. 2). I recognize, that for reasons beyond my control, this person has not made themselves available to me, and has not partnered with me to make my strong preference, a reality. 3) The painful reality is that the engagement with this person is toxic and unhealthy for me. I feel i cannot live with it, or without it. Holding on like this makes me suffer terribly. I want to be able to let go, to stop hurting this way. 4). I vow to be present to myself and acknowledge in my body, and my mind, every thought and feeling that arises when i think about or am confronted with this situation . I will feel the emotions, identify them; and identify how they feel in my body. I will let them be, i will not do anything to run from them, numb them, relieve them. I will just feel them. 5). I am able to do this, because i recognize the reality, that these feelings are transient, like everything, ,they will arise, stay, and then subside. This is true of everything- everything changes. things in the past that disturbed me, no longer disturb me. this will pass also. As my feelings come up, i can look at them as real, important, but also transient , and subject to change. I can feel them and let them pass, without acting on them. 6). I will remind myself, that my pain and suffering is not coming from that person, that situation- in reality, it is coming from my inability so far, to let go and release it. This is my struggle, and my struggle alone- to let go. I want to be able to let go. 7). I will remind myself; that others who have been careful to practice working with their feelings and their sense of loss and disappointment this way, have been able to lessen the attachment. They have been able to take the the emphasis off of their preference, while focusing on healing the emotions that arise as a result of loss and disappointment. Others before me have been able to transform, and i believe that i can also, if i dedicate myself to it. This is a process of patience, gentleness to yourself, awareness, and taking control of your mind. It can be undertaken all day, every day, whether you are in contact or not. the point is, to repetitively practice and to have faith in your ability to be successful at it. Each day, you may notice that the emphasis on what you WISH could be, becomes less important than the reality, and what you do have control over. You may notice that you are able to be less impulsive in trying to ease the feelings, noticing that by just accepting them and feeling them, they lose their power to propel you into habitual acting out. You may notice as the days pass, that you have a new respect and tenderness growing for yourself, as you take better care of your feelings than anyone else ever has in your life, ever! I recognize that the activated attachment system of an AP is intensely difficult to work with so i am not minimizing that. But i just wanted to share what i have practiced, maybe you can take some or all of it to help you with your own process. That is a really great reply Juniper - very very wise words.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 21:15:26 GMT
ocarina, we avoidants have to do our own letting go, don't we? so tough! but there is a way, if we can just believe in ourselves enough to follow it through. for me, letting go of the things i have been burdened by, has been a process that i have simply committed to. i do the practice of it continuously even when i can't feel the relief, i just press on, do the work, feel the pain, do the work. over time, there is a softening. new information comes in, new insights, new space around me. then i can smile- i did it! i have faith now that i can bear it, i can tolerate the process, and if i am faithful to it i will find myself free. it works.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 1:04:10 GMT
Helsbells , thank you. over time i have received a lot of good teaching, inspiration, and wisdom from generous men and women who have gone before, and help show me the way. I continually call upon the things i've learned, over and over again, to face life as it is. I always seem to find what i need to grow to my next step, even if it takes me longer than i'd like 😬 i am very pleased to be able to reflect what i have received in a way that can benefit others. That means that i am a part of a larger whole, which has become important to me in the last few years. ❤️ thank you. 🌸
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Post by lilyg on Jul 18, 2018 10:22:46 GMT
Helsbells , thank you. over time i have received a lot of good teaching, inspiration, and wisdom from generous men and women who have gone before, and help show me the way. I continually call upon the things i've learned, over and over again, to face life as it is. I always seem to find what i need to grow to my next step, even if it takes me longer than i'd like 😬 i am very pleased to be able to reflect what i have received in a way that can benefit others. That means that i am a part of a larger whole, which has become important to me in the last few years. ❤️ thank you. 🌸 Juniper the therapist I am currently seeing has a very basic knowledge about attachment theories and is going to read up on it more to help me. Can I ask you what would be the best course of action for me to truly get to understand and hopefully recover from this affliction that has burdened all my life. I so desperately do not want to continue this insanity of repeating the same dysfunctional patterns in my life. When I was very young I ran away with an older man who was a drug addict he abused me badly. I left him for an alcoholic who to be fair loved me very much but I was always second to his bottle. He eventually got sober after 25 years of being a drunk and were just beginning to enjoy a healthy relationship together when he was diagnosed with terminal esophagus cancer. My heart broke because I finally felt I had the partner I always wanted and he was cruley taken from me. The man who is now my ex and is FA met me at a very vunerable time of my life. I have only had experience with 3 men and was very nieve. I was so desperate for his love but not understanding anything about attachment theories it was probably the worse experience for me at the time. I want to salvage something good from my experience and that is to heal myself but I just don't know where to begin, I'm still in such an AP state and can't stop obsessing over him. I am able to own my part in the breakdown of the relationship, but unfortunately my ex is owning nothing on his side and is already looking for the next ONE and it's only been 7 weeks since we broke up. I hurt so bad, but I have always hurt so bad.i feel my alopecia is coming back as I'm unable to self calm. The thing is I work with very vunerable adults with mental illness and on daily basis using techniques to help them to self calm but can't apply any of this to myself i am I. A perpetual state of AP mode. Any recommendations of books about attachment especially AP that could help me to get better would be very much appreciated. I hope you don't mind me asking this of you. I would love to get to the place where you are I'm 53 now and have had enough. NOTHING CHANGES IF NOTHING CHANGES. Thank you so much and have a lovely day kind regards Helen x Hey Helen, I just wanted to tell you I hope you're better today. I lost the ones I loved the most to cancer too and it caused me a lot of wounds I had to heal. It is still difficult somedays, but it made me very very avoidant, I was a mess. I don't have that much experience in this but I have realized that before I knew about these styles, I started practicing healthy and secure relationships with my friends and family, as it felt safer for me than a man. I started to remember how to trust people and how to be caring and open with them (I know talk with my best friends about anything and it feels amazing), as well as having healthy boundaries (I was scared I was going to lose myself if I loved someone, that they wouldn't understand, that they wouldn't like my inner core, etc). So now I search for a guy who I can develop a relationship similar to my friends. Now I feel like I can have a good relationship with myself and better relationships with men (although I'm still working on that . I hope you can find a therapists who can help you better with your attachment style! Cheers!
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Post by lilyg on Jul 18, 2018 12:48:55 GMT
Hey Helen, I just wanted to tell you I hope you're better today. I lost the ones I loved the most to cancer too and it caused me a lot of wounds I had to heal. It is still difficult somedays, but it made me very very avoidant, I was a mess. I don't have that much experience in this but I have realized that before I knew about these styles, I started practicing healthy and secure relationships with my friends and family, as it felt safer for me than a man. I started to remember how to trust people and how to be caring and open with them (I know talk with my best friends about anything and it feels amazing), as well as having healthy boundaries (I was scared I was going to lose myself if I loved someone, that they wouldn't understand, that they wouldn't like my inner core, etc). So now I search for a guy who I can develop a relationship similar to my friends. Now I feel like I can have a good relationship with myself and better relationships with men (although I'm still working on that . I hope you can find a therapists who can help you better with your attachment style! Cheers! Thank you so much lilyg for your reply I got so much out of it. I am truly sorry to hear of all the loss you have had to go through and it sounds like you are learning to deal with it in a very healthy way through your relationship with family and friends. I will take that on board as it's a really good safe place to start. I can be very avoidant in certain situations and will need to take a close look at my behaviours. In a partner relationship I'm am totally AP and always have been. It's been enlightening to finally have some insight into why I am the way I am and can start to make positive changes finally. The sad thing is I feel this experience has really changed me. I can't explain it but I have never felt the way I feel now. I think it was probably caused by a timing thing as I was still grieving for my husband but felt so lonely. I probably wasn't in the best place to start a relationship and to have put up with the type of treatment my ex was doing. He is not a bad man, but he was very wrong for me and I have lots something of myself. I feel so changed inside. I feel right now between losing my husband of 28yrs then getting into a relationship with someone very avoidant the trust has completely gone. I feel very avoidant now and that is a new feeling for me. It was my attachment style that has led me here and I can't blame another. My ex does seem to have some awareness of his behaviour because he made comments on how he has treated women very wrongly in the past, and how he was a rubbish boyfriend and rubbish in relationship's but doesn't try to self improve. I do feel he did take advantage on me but I'm not blaming his attachment style for that, I think there is a side to him that's out for what he can get. It was wrong if him to be talking for hours on end to his on line gameing friends daily and to just think it was acceptable to leave me by myself. It was a new relationship and he never put the effort in. But again I was the one not being honest and pretending it was ok as I was terrified he would leave me if I tried to control me. But alas he did leave many times in 6mths and each time I asked him to come back. So hear I am hurting confused feeling duped, but with the self awareness I have never had before so I can salvage that from this experience and finally address the real issue and that starts and ends with me. Thanks again and I'm sending you a big hug from England X I understand! Right after losing my parents I entered an emotional abusive relationship. I was pretty secure in my relationships until cancer took my family away when I was really young, so I can totally understand that right now you're feeling extremely emotional and vulnerable, and that you're maybe dealing with severe trauma that is activating your attachment style. Be careful Give your heart to the ones that have your best interest at heart. I made lots of mistakes until I was able to finish my grieving process and rewired myself to trust people and myself again. Now it's been a few years and I can tell you there's a beautiful and meaningful life after death. No man (even no traumatic loss like yours) should take that away from you He may be a good guy but he cannot offer you that safe emotional space you, very understandably, need right now. Big hugs and if you need anything feel free to message!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 12:57:46 GMT
Helsbells , thank you. over time i have received a lot of good teaching, inspiration, and wisdom from generous men and women who have gone before, and help show me the way. I continually call upon the things i've learned, over and over again, to face life as it is. I always seem to find what i need to grow to my next step, even if it takes me longer than i'd like 😬 i am very pleased to be able to reflect what i have received in a way that can benefit others. That means that i am a part of a larger whole, which has become important to me in the last few years. ❤️ thank you. 🌸 Juniper the therapist I am currently seeing has a very basic knowledge about attachment theories and is going to read up on it more to help me. Can I ask you what would be the best course of action for me to truly get to understand and hopefully recover from this affliction that has burdened all my life. I so desperately do not want to continue this insanity of repeating the same dysfunctional patterns in my life. When I was very young I ran away with an older man who was a drug addict he abused me badly. I left him for an alcoholic who to be fair loved me very much but I was always second to his bottle. He eventually got sober after 25 years of being a drunk and were just beginning to enjoy a healthy relationship together when he was diagnosed with terminal esophagus cancer. My heart broke because I finally felt I had the partner I always wanted and he was cruley taken from me. The man who is now my ex and is FA met me at a very vunerable time of my life. I have only had experience with 3 men and was very nieve. I was so desperate for his love but not understanding anything about attachment theories it was probably the worse experience for me at the time. I want to salvage something good from my experience and that is to heal myself but I just don't know where to begin, I'm still in such an AP state and can't stop obsessing over him. I am able to own my part in the breakdown of the relationship, but unfortunately my ex is owning nothing on his side and is already looking for the next ONE and it's only been 7 weeks since we broke up. I hurt so bad, but I have always hurt so bad.i feel my alopecia is coming back as I'm unable to self calm. The thing is I work with very vunerable adults with mental illness and on daily basis using techniques to help them to self calm but can't apply any of this to myself i am I. A perpetual state of AP mode. Any recommendations of books about attachment especially AP that could help me to get better would be very much appreciated. I hope you don't mind me asking this of you. I would love to get to the place where you are I'm 53 now and have had enough. NOTHING CHANGES IF NOTHING CHANGES. Thank you so much and have a lovely day kind regards Helen x Helsbells, i relate to your story a lot, after a very painful childhood being raised by a pathological (intentionally cruel ) mother and an alcoholic father. I have a similar relationship history. as you know, i ended up on the dismissive end and you on the anxious, but the internal wounding and desolation is similar. As far as owning your part, that is helpful when we are in an adult relationship that we choose- it helps us turn our focus to our own mental and emotional processes and the way that we behave when influenced by pain. This is where our understanding begins, this is where the process of liberation from our own demons begins. But with utmost compassion i want to emphasize that here we are in adult bodies, adult relationships, with very wounded and damaged inner children. The young part of us was completely vulnerable and dependent on our caregivers to protect, nurture, and provide for us, but they were unable to do so and in many cases not only did not protect us, they were the ones we desperately needed protection FROM. Abuse became the normal dynamic for many of us. Neglect, and even hatred, became the familiar. This is so damaging, so painful, we learned many ways to cope, and our thought process while vulnerable and immature as children came up with creative ways to survive. Had we had a complete understanding of the situation we were trying to navigate, we would have been destroyed. And so, our coping mechanisms provided at least enough shelter for us , even if only in our own minds, to survive, albeit handicapped and having to adapt to conditions that in no way encouraged and supporter our emotional health and well being. So, as we "own our part" in our relationships, we turn our attention to our own emotional handicap. It can be stunning to step outside of our conditioning to see how we think and behave, when we stop focusing on another. But the idea here is to understand what is going on! Inside of us! and to see, oh my goodness, this needs my attention, i am hurting, i have always been hurting, and i must help myself heal!!! I must understand my own heart, my own mind, my own precious nature that has been battered since the time i was a child! Enough! I cannot stand by and allow myself to be victimized by other wounded people. I cannot victimize myself any longer. I cannot abuse myself , neglect myself, reject myself any longer. This is the place that introspection can take us. To the place of understanding and healing. Perhaps the most helpful undertaking for me, has been working to heal my inner Juniper, the little girl who had no one to care for her, and instead was target by cruelty. Very heartbreaking, and when i understood it i became her champion. I recommend working with your little Helen with a therapist. There are many books on this, and one i have read recently is "Reconciliation: Healing the Inner Child" by Thich Nhat Hanh. if you champion your inner child, she will have you to help and protect her, you will be able to calm her and nurture her. She will no longer need to try so hard on her own to be safe and find love, because she will have it from you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 13:37:27 GMT
the goal, of course, is to re-parent the inner child and bring her to mature security, not to appease her by giving her everything she wants, in her limited understanding of what exactly that is.
she's been running the show the best she could for a long time, and needs some real nurture and boundaries.
she needs an adult, you, to show her what real love is. she needs someone to protect her, and that's you. she needs someone to teach her what she didn't learn the the first time around. she needs some new messaging because the original messaging was very destructive.
in time, you can integrate her with your adult understanding and maturity. then the two of you can live together instead of being at odds. in attachment wounding, the child inside is constantly assessing need vs risk and not knowing how to manage either of those in a safe, mature and balanced way. she's doing the best she can but it's time for an adult to step in and help. and the only one who can do that, is you. ❤️
it's really healing.
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Post by notalone on Jul 24, 2018 16:58:34 GMT
As I let the idea that NC is best for me sink in, the thoughts "he doesn't want me" and "he'll end up committing to someone else" feel so painful. All evidence points to the fact that this is just how he is but some part of me just feels like it's me, like I'm not good enough, pretty enough, lovable enough, etc. I hate this about myself. I feel so self absorbed and like I'm letting my precious life be stolen by pain and rumination. I keep trying to focus on something else, or have self-compassion, and it's really hard. I'm not sure what to do. So...here is a thought...don't go NC.....but....post here when he reaches out for a reality check, a reminder that contact does not necessarily mean interest, just as no contact does not necessarily mean rejection. I think for APs NC is especially hard and it is perfectly fine that you choose to keep the line of communication open. You do have other options that may work better for you with regards to this situation. You are also allowed to keep the door open and then decide NC is better....the point is to consider your needs and not how he will react or respond to your boundary. Good luck. He contacted me on Saturday. He knew I had a date the weekend before and asked how it went. I replied it was lovely and asked how he was doing. On Sunday he replied and said "that's great news" and that he wants to hear all about my date. I replied with a thumbs up emoji. I cried all day and felt like I wanted to die. There were other things going on that were stressing me out too, and the idea that he's happy for me to have a great date hurt. I haven't heard from him since. I don't know why we are in contact, what he wants from me, or what I want from him. It hurts like hell. Since him, I've been on dates with 6 other guys, all who have been super interested in me, and I feel nothing towards them. I wonder if I'm only drawn to avoidant men? I'm tired and stressed. I don't know what to do.
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Post by tnr9 on Jul 24, 2018 17:33:49 GMT
So...here is a thought...don't go NC.....but....post here when he reaches out for a reality check, a reminder that contact does not necessarily mean interest, just as no contact does not necessarily mean rejection. I think for APs NC is especially hard and it is perfectly fine that you choose to keep the line of communication open. You do have other options that may work better for you with regards to this situation. You are also allowed to keep the door open and then decide NC is better....the point is to consider your needs and not how he will react or respond to your boundary. Good luck. He contacted me on Saturday. He knew I had a date the weekend before and asked how it went. I replied it was lovely and asked how he was doing. On Sunday he replied and said "that's great news" and that he wants to hear all about my date. I replied with a thumbs up emoji. I cried all day and felt like I wanted to die. There were other things going on that were stressing me out too, and the idea that he's happy for me to have a great date hurt. I haven't heard from him since. I don't know why we are in contact, what he wants from me, or what I want from him. It hurts like hell. Since him, I've been on dates with 6 other guys, all who have been super interested in me, and I feel nothing towards them. I wonder if I'm only drawn to avoidant men? I'm tired and stressed. I don't know what to do. Can I share what I see as an outsider looking in? I think he is acting like a "friend"...I think he is saying that he cares about you and is interested in how things are...but I also think that you sense that that is all he wants and as such....you are grieving all anew. That happens to me as well....so you are not alone. It is like...how can he move on so quickly while my heart still desires him? I am sorry you are going through this...but I am here for you.❤️❤️
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 12:36:36 GMT
So...here is a thought...don't go NC.....but....post here when he reaches out for a reality check, a reminder that contact does not necessarily mean interest, just as no contact does not necessarily mean rejection. I think for APs NC is especially hard and it is perfectly fine that you choose to keep the line of communication open. You do have other options that may work better for you with regards to this situation. You are also allowed to keep the door open and then decide NC is better....the point is to consider your needs and not how he will react or respond to your boundary. Good luck. He contacted me on Saturday. He knew I had a date the weekend before and asked how it went. I replied it was lovely and asked how he was doing. On Sunday he replied and said "that's great news" and that he wants to hear all about my date. I replied with a thumbs up emoji. I cried all day and felt like I wanted to die. There were other things going on that were stressing me out too, and the idea that he's happy for me to have a great date hurt. I haven't heard from him since. I don't know why we are in contact, what he wants from me, or what I want from him. It hurts like hell. Since him, I've been on dates with 6 other guys, all who have been super interested in me, and I feel nothing towards them. I wonder if I'm only drawn to avoidant men? I'm tired and stressed. I don't know what to do. it is my opinion that when two people remain in contact while dating other people, it's about ego ego ego ego. "You still want me? Good, that means i'm awesome and not insignificant. Or unattractive. Or a terrible lover. Or whatever." It's two people poking around looking for validation. in your case, since you're AP, you are attached to obtaining love and loyalty from a person who has demonstrated that they are absolutely unavailable to you, is that correct? my guess is that you're motivation is to get validation and look for clues that maybe he has had a change of heart, perhaps he sees you moving on and realizes what he he's missing out on, maybe this has jarred him into realizing he doesn't want to lose you, maybe he is jealous, and can't bear the thought of you with another man? In his case, he has demonstrated to you that he is very casual about sex, slept with other women in your absence, and with this standard of behavior he may be poking around to see if you would put him in your rotation and give him a shot at sex or ego stroking. He has let you know that he is down for just simple dating and some good times, and perhaps he is wondering if you've come around to his way of thinking, because it's more of a sure thing to get sex and some validation from someone already in the lineup, rather than have to go out and find new partners. Especially if you know the person is really into you and thinks you're amazing. I'm not at all trying to be harsh. I'm pointing out the reality that people stuck on their attachment wounding and avoidance of intimacy (AP AND AVOIDANT ARE EMOTIONALLY UNAVAILABLE AND ACT THAT OUT IN OPPOSITE WAYS) are seeking ego strokes, temporary pacification, evidence that they are desirable , evidence that they aren't so undesirable that someone would cut them off, distraction from the toil of real life and problems they aren't prepared to face, etc etc. No one here is evil or horrible, just insecure, milling around with other insecure people who haven't yet gained the awareness or emotional skills to enact real change on the unconscious patterns. You are more aware than him it seems,, because you are here learning about attachment wounding and how it impacts your relationship patterns. This being the case, it will be up to you to continue to build awareness and bring change into those patterns. As painful as this is, it is incredibly empowering to gain this insight and the support you need to heal and grow. That's my perspective, please only take it to heart if you see truth or value in it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 12:37:56 GMT
So...here is a thought...don't go NC.....but....post here when he reaches out for a reality check, a reminder that contact does not necessarily mean interest, just as no contact does not necessarily mean rejection. I think for APs NC is especially hard and it is perfectly fine that you choose to keep the line of communication open. You do have other options that may work better for you with regards to this situation. You are also allowed to keep the door open and then decide NC is better....the point is to consider your needs and not how he will react or respond to your boundary. Good luck. He contacted me on Saturday. He knew I had a date the weekend before and asked how it went. I replied it was lovely and asked how he was doing. On Sunday he replied and said "that's great news" and that he wants to hear all about my date. I replied with a thumbs up emoji. I cried all day and felt like I wanted to die. There were other things going on that were stressing me out too, and the idea that he's happy for me to have a great date hurt. I haven't heard from him since. I don't know why we are in contact, what he wants from me, or what I want from him. It hurts like hell. Since him, I've been on dates with 6 other guys, all who have been super interested in me, and I feel nothing towards them. I wonder if I'm only drawn to avoidant men? I'm tired and stressed. I don't know what to do. it is my opinion that when two people remain in contact while dating other people, it's about ego ego ego ego. "You still want me? Good, that means i'm awesome and not insignificant. Or unattractive. Or a terrible lover. Or whatever." It's two people poking around looking for validation. in your case, since you're AP, you are attached to obtaining love and loyalty from a person who has demonstrated that they are absolutely unavailable to you, is that correct? my guess is that you're motivation is to get validation and look for clues that maybe he has had a change of heart, perhaps he sees you moving on and realizes what he he's missing out on, maybe this has jarred him into realizing he doesn't want to lose you, maybe he is jealous, and can't bear the thought of you with another man? In his case, he has demonstrated to you that he is very casual about sex, slept with other women in your absence, and with this standard of behavior he may be poking around to see if you would put him in your rotation and give him a shot at sex or ego stroking. He has let you know that he is down for just simple dating and some good times, and perhaps he is wondering if you've come around to his way of thinking, because it's more of a sure thing to get sex and some validation from someone already in the lineup, rather than have to go out and find new partners. Especially if you know the person is really into you and thinks you're amazing. I'm not at all trying to be harsh. I'm pointing out the reality that people stuck on their attachment wounding and avoidance of intimacy (AP AND AVOIDANT ARE EMOTIONALLY UNAVAILABLE AND ACT THAT OUT IN OPPOSITE WAYS) are seeking ego strokes, temporary pacification, evidence that they are desirable , evidence that they aren't so undesirable that someone would cut them off, distraction from the toil of real life and problems they aren't prepared to face, etc etc. No one here is evil or horrible, just insecure, milling around with other insecure people who haven't yet gained the awareness or emotional skills to enact real change on the unconscious patterns. You are more aware than him it seems,, because you are here learning about attachment wounding and how it impacts your relationship patterns. This being the case, it will be up to you to continue to build awareness and bring change into those patterns. As painful as this is, it is incredibly empowering to gain this insight and the support you need to heal and grow. That's my perspective, please only take it to heart if you see truth or value in it.
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Post by notalone on Jul 26, 2018 15:28:09 GMT
He contacted me on Saturday. He knew I had a date the weekend before and asked how it went. I replied it was lovely and asked how he was doing. On Sunday he replied and said "that's great news" and that he wants to hear all about my date. I replied with a thumbs up emoji. I cried all day and felt like I wanted to die. There were other things going on that were stressing me out too, and the idea that he's happy for me to have a great date hurt. I haven't heard from him since. I don't know why we are in contact, what he wants from me, or what I want from him. It hurts like hell. Since him, I've been on dates with 6 other guys, all who have been super interested in me, and I feel nothing towards them. I wonder if I'm only drawn to avoidant men? I'm tired and stressed. I don't know what to do. juniper – You make excellent, astute points. RE: “you are attached to obtaining love and loyalty from a person who has demonstrated that they are absolutely unavailable to you, is that correct?” I ended things with him, he wanted to keep dating, but casually. He said it takes him a long time to commit (6-12 months). But also, his history of relationships shows strong DA patterns, and loads of evidence to suggest even if he did commit, the relationship would not be sustainable. RE: “my guess is that you're motivation is to get validation and look for clues that maybe he has had a change of heart, perhaps he sees you moving on and realizes what he he's missing out on, maybe this has jarred him into realizing he doesn't want to lose you, maybe he is jealous, and can't bear the thought of you with another man?” YES RE: “You are more aware than him it seems” I'm unsure about the awareness part, he's also pretty aware, maybe a bit less because he's not actively working on or learning about attachment, but it's pretty surprising to me how much awareness he has about how he is. The biggest difference - he's not actively working on changing or learning about it, instead he's decided the solution for him is casual dating and sex, and that if he does that, maybe at some point it will lead to love. In any case, his awareness is not terribly important to me. Deep down, I know I need to just move on. Please forgive me if the answer to this questions seems overly obvious, but simply put, do you suggest no contact?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 15:42:13 GMT
notalone, you are doing the right things. even with dating even tho that isn't the best option right now- you can be aware of what's going on in you and how you habitually think, feel, behave. it's all fodder for growth. I have found that radical acceptance of where i am helps me move forward, instead of being complacent i stop the internal rush to be OTHER. Something powerful happens just with awareness. One of my teachers said that mindfulness (awareness of how things ARE ) is like the sun. When it shines on things, it changes them. just by nature of its light and warmth. So. Moving on will happen, don't force it. Daily, do the next right thing to open your mind, engage in small new habits like posting and sharing and being vulnerable, and moving on will happen over time. It's not an event it is a process. be patient. you will get there.
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Post by notalone on Jul 26, 2018 16:01:21 GMT
notalone , you are doing the right things. even with dating even tho that isn't the best option right now- you can be aware of what's going on in you and how you habitually think, feel, behave. it's all fodder for growth. I have found that radical acceptance of where i am helps me move forward, instead of being complacent i stop the internal rush to be OTHER. Something powerful happens just with awareness. One of my teachers said that mindfulness (awareness of how things ARE ) is like the sun. When it shines on things, it changes them. just by nature of its light and warmth. So. Moving on will happen, don't force it. Daily, do the next right thing to open your mind, engage in small new habits like posting and sharing and being vulnerable, and moving on will happen over time. It's not an event it is a process. be patient. you will get there. May I ask you juniper - Can you bluntly tell me: if you suggest no-contact with this guy? If you suggest not dating right now?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 17:46:29 GMT
notalone , you are doing the right things. even with dating even tho that isn't the best option right now- you can be aware of what's going on in you and how you habitually think, feel, behave. it's all fodder for growth. I have found that radical acceptance of where i am helps me move forward, instead of being complacent i stop the internal rush to be OTHER. Something powerful happens just with awareness. One of my teachers said that mindfulness (awareness of how things ARE ) is like the sun. When it shines on things, it changes them. just by nature of its light and warmth. So. Moving on will happen, don't force it. Daily, do the next right thing to open your mind, engage in small new habits like posting and sharing and being vulnerable, and moving on will happen over time. It's not an event it is a process. be patient. you will get there. May I ask you juniper - Can you bluntly tell me: if you suggest no-contact with this guy? If you suggest not dating right now? Ha, that's a hard one. Why? because of impulse! sometimes, fighting an impulse is more of a dilemma than just engaging and walking it out with open eyes. For this reason, i actually suggest- don't change anything but your awareness right now. As you remain in contact, as you ruminate; as you go through highs and lows and anxiety and fantasy and every mood and feeling that comes with contact with this guy, just be aware of it. Live it, feel it, let it wear you down if you need to, just be fully present to it. That's what has worked for me and i know it's not necessarily a "go to" answer for everyone. I am the kind that has had to ride the ride till i was inspired by insight and exhaustion or empowerment to get the hell off it. And that exhaustion, insight, and empowerment came from tasting every damn bite of the plate in front of me. But that's me. As long as you take responsibility for every thought, feeling, and action that you take, ultimately- do whatever is in front of you. Then, when you say enough, you'll have truly had enough. My thing is , i can survive anything but my own dead end- that is intolerable to me. Doesn't matter, how i get there. If i get to a dead end doing things the old way i know for sure i will find a new route and nothing was lost. If there was a pat "do it this way" answer that worked this would be easy. But it's not- it's a process. An alcoholic stops drinking a long time before they put the bottle down. They start stopping when the suffering sinks in enough and they can't blame anyone else. they start stopping when they know they can't go on. Until then, good luck getting them to see it. I'm the same way. Good habits start with awareness and getting plain sick and tired of the of the bad habits. If you're in bad habits and you know it, just get really familiar with every damn bad habit with your eyes wide open. That will give you some insight on how exactly how and what to change, if you stay close to your supports in the meantime. Of course, you have begun to wake up and sleeping is no longer an option. So stay close to recovery resources and just do your day, you'll know when to change it up. That my best advice actually. Some say- don't do this, don't do that.... i say, go ahead and do it and feel every damn bit of it. Maybe it's something only an avoidant can approach this way, i have no idea! i really don't but there ya go! Someone will chime in and steer this another way of i have just told you something harmful- i would accept that lol. i have no idea!
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