Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 14:59:16 GMT
o don't think i'm being understood, quite in what i mean.
as. dA i don't feel hurt or rejected by criticism.
i feel attacked by an unhappy person who really should mind their own business or move on if they feel the need to be critical often. like i said, remember the foundation of protest behavior + critical remarks... it is overload of negativity.
on the whole, DA tire of complaining and negativity, we aren't necessarily hurt by it.
to a da, relationship and acceptance is not as important as to someone who is not dismissive.
criticism is a pain in the ass.
sounds awful, and it's not that i won't adjust in ways i find reasonable or respectfully addressed.
but that's not the norm in the AP/ avoidant trap.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 15:00:44 GMT
I find this odd. I think most people would say DAs are not sensitive, that we are cold and don't show when we are hurt. Coldness doesn't mean you're untouched. " "Really? i'm grown. who are you? have you seen a mirror lately? if you're miserable, why are you here?"" - that kind of reaction to something minor or to constructive criticism would be quite sensitive and defensive. no, with an ap in the trap, criticism is overlaid on top of an underlying continuous message of "you're not enough." you are failing to see the forest for the trees there.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 15:01:24 GMT
it's the whole dynamic.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 15:03:22 GMT
usually i read that AP admit having difficulty not being resentful. in relationship AP feels needy, but they are perceived as angry and demanding. true story. The AP anger is seen as criticism because the anger is about the DA not meeting the AP (sometimes irrational) need for attention, validation and reassurance. It is a criticism that the DA is not loving enough, caring enough, attentive enough, etc. I have been on the receiving end of this anger too many times and I have told them that I cannot fill their emotional space, that they need to do some of the work themselves. It falls on deaf ears and in the end, it's still my fault that they don't feel whole and loved. exactly. just what i'm saying. AP comes off as very angry in protest behavior, and then every little criticism on top of that feels like a continuation of protest behavior to a DA. it's just constant negativity.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 15:05:13 GMT
o don't think i'm being understood, quite in what i mean. as. dA i don't feel hurt or rejected by criticism. i feel attacked by an unhappy person who really should mind their own business or move on if they feel the need to be critical often. like i said, remember the foundation of protest behavior + critical remarks... it is overload of negativity. on the whole, DA tire of complaining and negativity, we aren't necessarily hurt by it. to a da, relationship and acceptance is not as important as to someone who is not dismissive. criticism is a pain in the ass. sounds awful, and it's not that i won't adjust in ways i find reasonable or respectfully addressed. but that's not the norm in the AP/ avoidant trap. I completely agree. It's annoying and tiresome. My ex ap was an emotional vampire, just draining.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 15:11:15 GMT
in the Ap/avoidant trap it's not typical for "constructive criticism" to be offered with an underlying mutual respect.
more likely, the criticism is coming from a chronically dissatisfied partner who feels that their unhappiness is the DA's fault.
that's definitely supported by the literature. and it does tend to drive a partner away.
it's a DYNAMIC. not one partner overly sensitive to reasonable behavior lol!!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 15:14:51 GMT
Coldness doesn't mean you're untouched. " "Really? i'm grown. who are you? have you seen a mirror lately? if you're miserable, why are you here?"" - that kind of reaction to something minor or to constructive criticism would be quite sensitive and defensive. no, with an ap in the trap, criticism is overlaid on top of an underlying continuous message of "you're not enough." you are failing to see the forest for the trees there. Sure, as long as you can asses if criticism is really criticism. I assume you do speak of such situations. But it can be that DA perceives any kind of anger (their partner is in a bad mood but it has nothing to do with DA for example) as criticism - or at least their senses are adjusted to look for that. Just like AP can think they're about to be abandoned when it isn't true but they could use DAs withdraws to justify their thinking. Would a secure person react in the same way, it's what I mean... Also, it seems you're referring strictly to AP/DA relationship. I could agree in such case but I don't think it's restricted to it. I'm sure secures experience it too (with unaware DAs)
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 15:18:27 GMT
no, with an ap in the trap, criticism is overlaid on top of an underlying continuous message of "you're not enough." you are failing to see the forest for the trees there. Sure, as long as you can asses if criticism is really criticism. I assume you do speak of such situations. But it can be that DA perceives any kind of anger (their partner is in a bad mood but it has nothing to do with DA for example) as criticism - or at least their senses are adjusted to look for that. Just like AP can think they're about to be abounded when it isn't true but they could use DAs withdraws to justify their thinking. Would a secure person react in the same way, it's what I mean... yes- but we are talking about the ap/avoidant trap. i'm providing the other side of the coin with the DA perspective of AP criticism in the trap. any DA with an AP is in the trap too. it's just a toxic pairing. My current boyfriend and i can have discussions about preferences that don't actually involve criticism at all. it's much more secure. why be critical, anyway? there are ways to communicate about needs and preferences that don't involve criticism at all.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 15:20:52 GMT
Sure, as long as you can asses if criticism is really criticism. I assume you do speak of such situations. But it can be that DA perceives any kind of anger (their partner is in a bad mood but it has nothing to do with DA for example) as criticism - or at least their senses are adjusted to look for that. Just like AP can think they're about to be abounded when it isn't true but they could use DAs withdraws to justify their thinking. Would a secure person react in the same way, it's what I mean... yes- but we are talking about the ap/avoidant trap.i'm providing the other side of the coin with the DA perspective of AP criticism in the trap. any DA with an AP is in the trap too. it's just a toxic pairing. My current boyfriend and i can have discussions about preferences that don't actually involve criticism at all. it's much more secure. why be critical, anyway? there are ways to communicate about needs and preferences that don't involve criticism at all. So here's the misunderstanding.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 15:24:20 GMT
yes- but we are talking about the ap/avoidant trap.i'm providing the other side of the coin with the DA perspective of AP criticism in the trap. any DA with an AP is in the trap too. it's just a toxic pairing. My current boyfriend and i can have discussions about preferences that don't actually involve criticism at all. it's much more secure. why be critical, anyway? there are ways to communicate about needs and preferences that don't involve criticism at all. So here's the misunderstanding. this thread was written by an AP talking about a DA. that's been the foundation of my input. my posts have been referring to that. i feel like if i go back and read i will see myself referring to AP criticism, not secure criticism. but i would have to go back to read in order to make sure, i've been multitasking lol.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 15:26:20 GMT
He sounds very similar to my ex DA that I still see. He couldn’t handle criticism- even if I was just joking around with him, for example, not making his bed or something that I considered trivial...and every conflict was a reason for him to see us an incompatible. I remember the first time I saw this- I mentioned to him that I would like us to go out on more date nights, he actually started to cry and told me he thought “things were going so well and he knew he shouldn’t have gotten attached to me.” I was stunned. I had no idea he’d react that strongly. It was the first glimpse I got of his insecure side. Our Friday night was ruined. It was also the beginning of myself being afraid to communicate openly with him. I was confused and hurt. I’d give him a couple days of space and then reach out. If he’s like my DA, he won’t be the one to reach out after a conflict where he felt wronged. i'm just going to say, about the criticism part. many of us, all insecure types, endured ruthless criticism when young. i chose mates that were consistently unhappy with me, critical, dissatisfied. that's the injury working. AP are typically chronically dissatisfied. Unhappy with their partner's "inadequacies". not enough this. not enough that. seeking validation, more, more, more. that's the injury working. when it comes to all the "joking" criticism, about "trivial" things, in my relationships, including the one with my toxic partner.... it was WEARING. EXHAUSTING to be continually ribbed about me being me. underlying the banter was a real incompatibility of needs, values, lifestyles. i don't believe necessarily in these situations that the DA is SO SENSITIVE to the smallest slight without believing that the AP or anxious leaning partner isn't overly critical and demanding with bigger things and says a lot of other critical things in jest. that would fit more with the AP/avoidant dance than this narrative about overly sensitive avoidants. let's consider that in the dynamic. perhaps one partner complains way too much and there is a critical speech overload . it could happen with an AP you know. Avoidant are sensitive to criticism and AP are critical. Avoidant are sensitive to criticism- and so are AP. Avoidant are critical to deactivate, also. why talk so much about exes? does it help, is it commiseration, i don't understand it so much. yeah i feel like i was being clear about the Ap/Da dynamic @christie. i don't understand the misunderstanding, but like i said i've been multitasking.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 15:26:44 GMT
So here's the misunderstanding. this thread was written by an AP talking about a DA. that's been the foundation of my input. my posts have been referring to that. i feel like if i go back and read i will see myself referring to AP criticism, not secure criticism. but i would have to go back to read in order to make sure, i've been multitasking lol. I understand. My thoughts like to wonder by nature so what I was saying easily could be off topic. I do that a lot. I probably wanted to figure out reactions of my partner.
|
|
|
Post by faithopelove on Nov 8, 2018 15:27:06 GMT
also, as DA i would most be aware of the response to criticism in me that says: "Really? i'm grown. who are you? have you seen a mirror lately? if you're miserable, why are you here?" and finally, "OMG SHUT IT. " there isn't a whole lot of patience with complaining in the DA mindset. it just part of the anxious /avoidant dynamic, this unhappiness. In this case, I brought up going out more for the first time and I expected us to have a conversation about different things we could do as a couple. I didn’t see it as complaining but communicating my desire. In my experience, in the past, the conversation would’ve been a two way dialogue w no tears, fears or drama. I wasn’t expecting his sensitive response to the point he thought I was unhappy and leaving him. To me, this was like saying I like chocolate ice cream more than vanilla. I was raised with daily criticism also so I get how insecures are sensitive to that, but my intention here was to have a conversation about where we could go to enjoy ourselves. That was my first glimpse of his trauma. That night, it wasn’t my anxiety but his that dominated the night. I talk about my ex bc he’s my reference point to avoidants- my brother and dad as well but different context than all the relationship talk on this board...a lot of topics are relationship centered, as I’d expect bc human connection is an important piece in our lives.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 15:29:23 GMT
this thread was written by an AP talking about a DA. that's been the foundation of my input. my posts have been referring to that. i feel like if i go back and read i will see myself referring to AP criticism, not secure criticism. but i would have to go back to read in order to make sure, i've been multitasking lol. I understand. My thoughts like to wonder by nature so what I was saying easily could be off topic. I do that a lot. I probably wanted to figure out reactions of my partner. it creates kind of a circular convo but i understand
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 15:30:48 GMT
also, as DA i would most be aware of the response to criticism in me that says: "Really? i'm grown. who are you? have you seen a mirror lately? if you're miserable, why are you here?" and finally, "OMG SHUT IT. " there isn't a whole lot of patience with complaining in the DA mindset. it just part of the anxious /avoidant dynamic, this unhappiness. In this case, I brought up going out more for the first time and I expected us to have a conversation about different things we could do as a couple. I didn’t see it as complaining but communicating my desire. In my experience, in the past, the conversation would’ve been a two way dialogue w no tears, fears or drama. I wasn’t expecting his sensitive response to the point he thought I was unhappy and leaving him. To me, this was like saying I like chocolate ice cream more than vanilla. I was raised with daily criticism also so I get how insecures are sensitive to that, but my intention here was to have a conversation about where we could go to enjoy ourselves. That was my first glimpse of his trauma. That night, it wasn’t my anxiety but his that dominated the night. I talk about my ex bc he’s my reference point to avoidants- my brother and dad as well but different context than all the relationship talk on this board...a lot of topics are relationship centered, as I’d expect bc human connection is an important piece in our lives. i understand completely, and i am not trying to be critical i'm just expounding on the DA perspective in the trap
|
|