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Post by tnr9 on Apr 19, 2021 0:44:23 GMT
Quick update. Still together with my boyfriend, things are still completely easy and secure. We have a general plan for hitting the traditional big relationship and family planning milestones. As time progresses and we've been together for what's getting on being a while, I feel like it's constantly reinforcing to me that the next most important thing in making a relationship work, after being emotionally healthy yourself, really is who you choose as a partner. When I was insecure and reacting to chemistry and quick sparks and feelings first and being less active in taking responsibility in who I chose (ie "you don't choose who you fall in love with, it just happens to you and then you show up best you can for that person" mentality), it never went well. Approaching this instead as curiosity in getting to know someone (with the only initial dealbreaker check being to make sure we're on the same basic wavelength about both wanting a serious relationship and marriage/children with the right person, but not jumping ahead past that about "this could be the one!"), and then having feelings develop based on how that person shows up every day has certainly taken out the miserable roller coaster aspect. It feels healthier that we take responsibility for choosing each other every day instead of having that more passive and reactive perspective. And we're not actively thinking about it that way or daily reaffirming "I choose you again today" like that or anything lol, just looking at it overall and in retrospect it seems like a good way to describe it. In practice, it's both of us treating each other every day with respect and affection naturally and it not seeming like a "chore" or like he's being put upon by being with me, as I often felt I was to avoidant boyfriends when I was AP. So, as I've posted before, stay optimistic that you can still find a good partner after 35! It may take going through more (sometimes many more...) dates than you hope, but it's doable. I recently had quite alot of thoughts about this. Love should be easy and free, and the best thing to do is to center yourself and allow the person to enter/leave the space willingly and respectfully. There're 3 parties in the relationship - me, them and us. If someone doesnt consider the interests of all 3 parties, it is a very difficult relationship to have! In other news, I'm getting married Congratulations @shiningstar!
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Post by alexandra on Apr 19, 2021 1:33:27 GMT
thanks guys, i dont' want to hijack alexandra's post about her dating life, but just wanted to inject some positive news here! Haha that's fine, I'm expecting to be behind you in 2022. The more earned secure examples on the board the better, I think. In terms of yes, this isn't only theoretical, attachment styles can shift with concerted effort.
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Post by alice on May 14, 2021 16:56:41 GMT
I was reading through this and wanted to add to the positivity.
I have been seeing someone for awhile and I'm floored by him. I was bored at first, for quite awhile. He is completely confident and secure, and he didn't do anything exciting or try to impress me. As months went by, I found out incredibly interesting things about him, and I can't tell you how many times I said "why didn't you tell me that???" and he said "I don't know. I just didn't think of it." I think Alexandra makes a great point about being curious about a person. This is all very different from the guys I had dated previously who bragged about all of the things they did in an effort to win me over (love bomb etc). And most of the time, when it came down to it, they weren't that impressive. There's nothing wrong per se with trying to impress someone, but I think insecure people push this instead of being secure just in who they are and that this will slowly come out as you get to know the other person.
About four months in, I decided to take a bit of a longer trip and I thought he may not want to see me if I was gone for an extended time. I didn't care. But he wanted to continue. I'm so glad he did because over time, he has impressed me so much. But it took time. What I knew at the beginning of the relationship was that he had good character, was smart, and was responsible, and our values aligned. There was not any kind of major chemistry or sparks and that did take some time. I am completely calm around him. He's communicative. And any time I tell him vulnerable things, he is supportive. On top of that, any time I feel I am missing something between us (like maybe he could hit a love language thing), he listens, thinks through his actions, and he tries to adjust for me. He doesn't get defensive. Our communication is clear and open and I really trust him. We do have a lot of fun together, but it doesn't come from that place where I feel like I have to constantly work really hard to be at the top of my game to impress him.
Anything I'm insecure about and have revealed to him doesn't seem to mean much to him. And then he randomly will tell me things he likes about me that I don't think much of. It's funny how we're all so preoccupied with certain insecurities that many people don't even see.
From what I have seen with this guy and looking back at all of the others, if you date someone who excites you, but you question their stability or character, you need to walk. I would always say I would wait it out to confirm, all the while I was getting attached and was drawn into the attraction, which was backed by nothing substantive. Deep down I knew this.
Also, I have had two FAs who I dated reach out and apologize. One seemed to have made some progress, but I think the other one was needing validation as it was an empty second apology. I remember how I felt, but wow, if I was "stuck" with him, I would've lost out on what I have now, and I just can't imagine. It's not even a close choice. I say stuck because I always felt like a slave to my attachment. And I don't feel that way now.
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Post by alexandra on Aug 16, 2021 3:58:05 GMT
iz42, I was thinking more about your post, and wanted to bump up alice 's last comment here if you hadn't seen it. It's very early and I can't tell you if your relationship will end up being the right one for you or not, but another take on things from someone else who was also trying to figure out more secure dating!
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Post by iz42 on Aug 16, 2021 5:45:38 GMT
alexandra that's so sweet of you! I hadn't seen alice's comment and I found it very helpful. What a lovely story. I almost posted an update today because things are going very well. I've been enjoying spending time with my boyfriend and I feel relaxed when I'm around him. It's only when I'm alone that I start getting hypervigilant and I come up with all these possible red flags that likely aren't actually there. I spent the past few days feeling anxious because our communication is awkward over text (hard to read tone and emotion, etc. and he rarely responds right away) and it leaves a lot of room for me to project all sorts of negative things into our interactions. When I brought it up, it turned out he had been feeling the same way about texting, so we decided to just talk on the phone more. I think that will solve the issue. I'm realizing how much my nervous system has been conditioned to be hypervigilant and how it's going to take a while to trust myself and to trust him. My feelings for him are slowly growing, which is nice
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Post by Dualcitizen on Aug 19, 2021 21:12:23 GMT
Quick update. Still together with my boyfriend, things are still completely easy and secure. We have a general plan for hitting the traditional big relationship and family planning milestones. As time progresses and we've been together for what's getting on being a while, I feel like it's constantly reinforcing to me that the next most important thing in making a relationship work, after being emotionally healthy yourself, really is who you choose as a partner. When I was insecure and reacting to chemistry and quick sparks and feelings first and being less active in taking responsibility in who I chose (ie "you don't choose who you fall in love with, it just happens to you and then you show up best you can for that person" mentality), it never went well. Approaching this instead as curiosity in getting to know someone (with the only initial dealbreaker check being to make sure we're on the same basic wavelength about both wanting a serious relationship and marriage/children with the right person, but not jumping ahead past that about "this could be the one!"), and then having feelings develop based on how that person shows up every day has certainly taken out the miserable roller coaster aspect. It feels healthier that we take responsibility for choosing each other every day instead of having that more passive and reactive perspective. And we're not actively thinking about it that way or daily reaffirming "I choose you again today" like that or anything lol, just looking at it overall and in retrospect it seems like a good way to describe it. In practice, it's both of us treating each other every day with respect and affection naturally and it not seeming like a "chore" or like he's being put upon by being with me, as I often felt I was to avoidant boyfriends when I was AP. So, as I've posted before, stay optimistic that you can still find a good partner after 35! It may take going through more (sometimes many more...) dates than you hope, but it's doable. I recently had quite alot of thoughts about this. Love should be easy and free, and the best thing to do is to center yourself and allow the person to enter/leave the space willingly and respectfully. There're 3 parties in the relationship - me, them and us. If someone doesnt consider the interests of all 3 parties, it is a very difficult relationship to have! In other news, I'm getting married This is exactly what love is, it's freedom, it's unconditional love! This is the interdependence, it's largely "equal" input from both sides with no "conditions", love is a choice. And when you are near 100% authentic self, nothing really phases you, you get upset about things but work through it, and because you have good communication in this state, you realise why things are the way they are, and positively move forward in your own time! There is nothing else! In fact daily you are at peace and neutral, not "happy", the state that is peddled onto us all via social media etc. There is no triggering of anxiety to cause a nervous system response to overexert oneself nor be avoidant, you simply deal with things. Well done anyway to you
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Post by krolle on Aug 20, 2021 2:50:48 GMT
I'm really jealous you guys are able to think this way.
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Post by alexandra on Aug 20, 2021 3:55:59 GMT
krolle, it wasn't intuitive or quick... I never thought I would think this way. That's why I recommend my friend's advice to trust in the process even if it seems slow and frustrating and like nothing is happening. Your brain is processing everything you're reading and doing and the new perspectives you're getting exposed to, consciously or not.
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Post by alexandra on May 5, 2022 4:58:39 GMT
It's been a while since I updated this thread, but things have stayed on the right track and I'm getting married! As I'd commented earlier to shiningstar, the discussion was for 2022 and we've stuck to that -- because I've definitely learned that while the details of the proposal itself can stay a surprise, nothing else important about the relationship progression should be surprising, left undiscussed, be unpredictable, or be confusing!
I'm very glad I've got a partner whose words, actions, and feelings are all aligned, after a lifetime of dating people with whom that was not the case. I'm also very glad I was at last ready for it and ready to recognize it when I met a compatible partner. They were few and far between when I was AP, in no small part due to my feeling doubt in the form of inexplicable boredom I couldn't verbalize or even attribute whenever a mature prospective guy came my way. There was no way I was ready for that kind of commitment (until I was), even though I didn't know it at the time at all and thought I was fully emotionally available and relationship-oriented the whole time!
Keep going through your healing process, and even when you're frustrated, know that being on this forum is in itself a helpful step in identifying and verbalizing issues. And remember that "accomplishing" the long-term relationship milestones isn't the prize here, though it's nice icing on the cake... this isn't, 'I'm engaged so that means I finally did it!' I think healing your multi-generational trauma so that you can feel comfortable with yourself and the others you choose to have around you, increasing your satisfaction in the life you build for yourself even when there's adversity around you that's out of your control, that's the core of what healing and earning secure helps accomplish. Whether you end up with a partner or not, whether you even want one! I did want to get married so I'm grateful that it's better late than never, but I wasn't ready until the cliche moment of getting to the point of, you can want a romantic relationship but you shouldn't need one. Once you're okay with either being in one or not but being equally okay either way, I've found that it's a good sign you're in a healthy place to be a good partner to someone else and sustain it.
Hopefully that doesn't sound preachy, because I'm just trying to share things I learned that work for me. My experience isn't the only way to get somewhere, but I'm pretty damn happy that all the difficult and painful work eventually got me to the changes I sought to make! People get there in their own time, but it is possible to heal and change if it's a priority in your life to do so. There will be times when you feel frustrated or deterred or you're not seeing progress at the speed you want and that's okay, but try to stick with it and keep believing there really are different perspectives and ways of being!
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Post by anne12 on May 5, 2022 7:49:04 GMT
alexandra This is fantastic news Congratulations 💃❤️❤️❤️ I just read this article today…., so I wanted to share it with you I have also found the posts about how to make a shadow wedding. How to Make marriage vows more realistic: (Alain de Botton) ”Vows should accurately anticipate what will make us want to get divorced—and confirm to us that our subsequent sadness will not be an unusual or personal curse. Here is a selection of vows that would be made by a couple in my utopia: – I accept that I am—in countless ways I don’t yet know—very hard to live with. – We accept not to panic when, some years from now, what we are doing today will seem like the worst decision of our lives. – When you are mean, when you call me a fucking bastard, I will strive to remember that at heart, it is because you are hurt—not that you are fundamentally nasty. – Everyone has some very significant things wrong with them. We promise not to look around. There isn’t anyone better out there really. Once you get to know them, everyone is impossible. In a utopian wedding, the guests would offer the couple different sorts of presents. Primarily, they would arrive with accounts of why their own marriages were difficult and why they were themselves awkward people to live with. Nothing makes us happier than news of the troubles of others, as these presents would implicitly recognise. At dark moments in the marriage, one would turn to these gifts and flip through descriptions of the marital troubles of one’s friends and relatives—and would come away feeling that one was cursed certainly, but—importantly—in no way alone.” www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/if-i-ruled-the-world-alain-de-bottonHow to make a shadow wedding: www.shadowwedding.com/basics.htmlwww.shadowwedding.com/jim_jessica_benson_interview.html
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Post by alexandra on May 5, 2022 8:08:41 GMT
Thank you! The good news is, dating throughout the pandemic has made our lives constantly about problem-solving and negotiating risk, so after all that practice, I feel like we're pretty well-suited to confronting issues as they come up. Also, getting married after you've dated as many people as I have -- I don't need to look around further if we're having disagreements. I know what else is out there, and I'm firmly over any the grass is greener days lol. A benefit of getting married later, I guess!
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Post by rykus9 on May 5, 2022 14:59:17 GMT
Congratulations alexandra! So glad to hear your success!
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2022 15:24:25 GMT
Thank you! The good news is, dating throughout the pandemic has made our lives constantly about problem-solving and negotiating risk, so after all that practice, I feel like we're pretty well-suited to confronting issues as they come up. Also, getting married after you've dated as many people as I have -- I don't need to look around further if we're having disagreements. I know what else is out there, and I'm firmly over any the grass is greener days lol. A benefit of getting married later, I guess! Haha yep, I feel that- at my age I don't feel like I'm settling at all, but seriously I know enough to know that the grass isn't greener! Congratulations.
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Post by iz42 on Aug 30, 2022 21:28:48 GMT
I haven't been on the boards very much so I just saw this update. Congratulations on your wedding alexandra!!! I'm so happy for you! <3 It's been a while since I updated this thread, but things have stayed on the right track and I'm getting married! As I'd commented earlier to shiningstar, the discussion was for 2022 and we've stuck to that -- because I've definitely learned that while the details of the proposal itself can stay a surprise, nothing else important about the relationship progression should be surprising, left undiscussed, be unpredictable, or be confusing! I'm very glad I've got a partner whose words, actions, and feelings are all aligned, after a lifetime of dating people with whom that was not the case. I'm also very glad I was at last ready for it and ready to recognize it when I met a compatible partner. They were few and far between when I was AP, in no small part due to my feeling doubt in the form of inexplicable boredom I couldn't verbalize or even attribute whenever a mature prospective guy came my way. There was no way I was ready for that kind of commitment (until I was), even though I didn't know it at the time at all and thought I was fully emotionally available and relationship-oriented the whole time! Keep going through your healing process, and even when you're frustrated, know that being on this forum is in itself a helpful step in identifying and verbalizing issues. And remember that "accomplishing" the long-term relationship milestones isn't the prize here, though it's nice icing on the cake... this isn't, 'I'm engaged so that means I finally did it!' I think healing your multi-generational trauma so that you can feel comfortable with yourself and the others you choose to have around you, increasing your satisfaction in the life you build for yourself even when there's adversity around you that's out of your control, that's the core of what healing and earning secure helps accomplish. Whether you end up with a partner or not, whether you even want one! I did want to get married so I'm grateful that it's better late than never, but I wasn't ready until the cliche moment of getting to the point of, you can want a romantic relationship but you shouldn't need one. Once you're okay with either being in one or not but being equally okay either way, I've found that it's a good sign you're in a healthy place to be a good partner to someone else and sustain it. Hopefully that doesn't sound preachy, because I'm just trying to share things I learned that work for me. My experience isn't the only way to get somewhere, but I'm pretty damn happy that all the difficult and painful work eventually got me to the changes I sought to make! People get there in their own time, but it is possible to heal and change if it's a priority in your life to do so. There will be times when you feel frustrated or deterred or you're not seeing progress at the speed you want and that's okay, but try to stick with it and keep believing there really are different perspectives and ways of being!
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