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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 2:30:48 GMT
Hi, I am trying online dating and I am wondering if someone can help me identify red flags for a potential AP online connection? I am currently chatting with a gentleman for the first time, and I noticed that he is very communicative and curious, which is fine. However, he also mentioned that touch is his love language so "don't be surprised if I hug you when we meet" - and I sort of paused at that. Not that it's a huge deal, but there are two things that stood out to me (I am dismissive so I am aware that my boundaries may be higher than some). First- telling me not to be surprised instead of asking if I would be comfortable with that- it was a statement rather than a polite question. Not that it's horrible, but it does assume something from me. Second: assuming we will meet with a "when" instead of "if". Note: he doesn't seem creepy, just forward and communicative and friendly. And fairy eager. Also, he sent me pictures of his food that he prepared for dinner and I did wonder if he was trying to impress me He asked a lot of questions about me which is also fine. I answered them honestly, they were about my dating experiences and things that are important to me. He said that touch is his love language and he likes to snuggle, hold hands, and be near his parter. This is obviously very important as he asserted it within the first few comments. I am not used to online dating and also not quite familiar with what is reasonable, in terms of first contact and boundaries and what is shared. Like I said, my limits are a little tighter than some. But already I feel he might be on the AP side, just by the nature and content of his sharing. He did respect my polite explanation , after a bit of exchange, that I would like to unwind and do chores for the evening and that we could pick up the conversation perhaps the following day. After a little further chatting he did wrap it up. I wasn't rigid about it but the convo went on a little longer than I expected. I kept engaging and didn't have to but if someone mentions it is time for them to sign off, I respect that right away and don't ask for further engagement. So, I'm just wondering, are there early signs that a person might be AP? Are there any signs in what I have shared or is that normal stuff? To add, I asked him if he was familiar with AT, as he was asking many questions about me and what's important and how I tick. He said he was not familiar but would accept the assignment and look it up. (Very eager to be open and cooperative, not a bad thing perhaps but notable). I suggested he take a quiz and let me know. (I was open and answered his questions and this wouldn't be unreasonable in my opinion). Of course I will disclose my AT status to him, and that may be all she wrote. But, I am trying to learn about early signs for AP and what's healthy and what's perhaps not- I could use some guidance. Thank you!
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Post by anne12 on Apr 19, 2019 8:41:19 GMT
You can try to look at This m.youtube.com/watch?v=VNvyF8aS8WAYou can also look into Stan Tatkins Sherlock dating skills And also Diane Poole Heller about texting ect. Some avoidants can give Up before they have even started dating irl. Maybe you can adress some of the things the person wrote(the touching thing ect) and see how the person reacts ?
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Post by 8675309 on Apr 19, 2019 12:07:17 GMT
I think men that talk any sort of affections so soon tend to be the needy type or just trying for sex. I also find those a bit eager to be more the needy type as well. Eager can be nerves too but over eager is a sign of needy for me and I have not been wrong so far. Me personally when they start saying I like to cuddle, any sex mention, etc in that first batch of chat, I am turned off. There is no need to mention these things as a topic so fast. His love language is touch so hes going to like lots of touching. Probably more than you will like specially as a Dismissive even though you are aware. Hes letting you know he going to be all over his women with affection and want it back. Him bringing that up so fast is telling you this. These reads to me, Ive been so affectionate with other women and they have been put off so Im going to let you know right now I'll be all over you and I want you all over me.
Im put off by what you wrote and Im a secure. Ive always had a good needy man sniffer. haha. I could be all wrong but what you wrote makes me feel turned off.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 13:05:01 GMT
I think men that talk any sort of affections so soon tend to be the needy type or just trying for sex. I also find those a bit eager to be more the needy type as well. Eager can be nerves too but over eager is a sign of needy for me and I have not been wrong so far. Me personally when they start saying I like to cuddle, any sex mention, etc in that first batch of chat, I am turned off. There is no need to mention these things as a topic so fast. His love language is touch so hes going to like lots of touching. Probably more than you will like specially as a Dismissive even though you are aware. Hes letting you know he going to be all over his women with affection and want it back. Him bringing that up so fast is telling you this. These reads to me, Ive been so affectionate with other women and they have been put off so Im going to let you know right now I'll be all over you and I want you all over me.
Im put off by what you wrote and Im a secure. Ive always had a good needy man sniffer. haha. I could be all wrong but what you wrote makes me feel turned off.
I tend to agree, it's not just me lol. I had let him know that I am an early riser and so go to bed early. Lifestyle things like that are important to me and it prevents late night texting when I'm winding down. But I told him we could pick the chat up the next day. So he did. At 6:20 a.m. lol. When I said I had slept in he sent a pic of him with coffee and said "But I got your coffee ready " It would be cute if we were in a relationship, maybe. I like cuteness and good mornings but that's for relationships not before even meeting. I also like to keep text and electronic communication to a minimum, before meeting. I just need a little groundwork and see if there is enough aligned in order to meet, which I like to keep simple and soon in order to get a sense of a person in real life. He's pretty quick out of the gate. Honestly that's never gone well for me (or either of us ) so I'll probably mention what my comfort level is with all that, practice clear and kind boundary communication even though I'm put off. It's not irritation or anything just a lack of interest because he does seem needy and over reaching.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 13:19:37 GMT
You can try to look at This m.youtube.com/watch?v=VNvyF8aS8WAYou can also look into Stan Tatkins Sherlock dating skills And also Diane Poole Heller about texting ect. Some avoidants can give Up before they have even started dating irl. Maybe you can adress some of the things the person wrote(the touching thing ect) and see how the person reacts ? Thank you Anne, I am loathe to watch videos, it's not my favorite medium but I might check that out. But I did find an article on texting from DPH. www.google.com/amp/s/dianepooleheller.com/online-dating-how-to-use-texting-to-identify-attachment-styles/amp/I identify with secure texting behavior, and definitely see anxious behavior in his. I'm dismissive but not extremely so, and do well with secure people. AP is just not a match for me, but at least I know it and can communicate kindly and gently. Incompatibility is a reality of the dating process, I don't see it as any big deal.
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Post by anne12 on Apr 19, 2019 14:36:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 15:39:01 GMT
Yes, it's too much already. I don't really care to meet, it's just a bad start. Now the part I don't like- communicating that I'm not interested. Any ideas? I don't mind being frank and kind but firm- but I'm curious how others would handle it.
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Post by sissyk on Apr 20, 2019 14:06:44 GMT
My 2 cents. A little texting is good to make sure you are not going to be wasting an hour of your life you will never get back on a IRL drink with a nonstarter.
But that all you describe sounds like way to much back and forth before meeting. Meet sooner rather than later.
I had a guy spend a week texting me about every meal and beer he consumed. Then he stood me up saying our age difference was too great. Another guy was a lovely chatter for a few days then he mistakenly texted me a message clearly meant for his real girlfriend/wife.
If all you have done is text, just text him a message you have decided not to pursue this for now on reflection but you enjoyed chatting and wish him well. He will survive..he may be texting several gals with his enthusiastic emotional full court press persona.
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Post by sissyk on Apr 20, 2019 14:16:58 GMT
PS..his texting sounds like he is trying a forward highbrow let's get physical! strong flirt. I'm not sure it has much to do with an attachment style as a dating style at this point. I'm APIsh.
One thing I have learned after kicking around with my DA companion for a year is it takes time to really get to know someone. Seeing people as types can be both clarifying and blurring of other people's complexities.
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Post by 8675309 on Apr 20, 2019 17:38:29 GMT
Already texting at 6 in the morning, run! LOL. I feel ya on its cute when youre actually dating not when you have not even met yet.
He is needy or wanting to get sex quickly. Probably both. Red flag either way. All I know is any secure man I dated did not come on this strong.
Word of advice, always do a coffee meet for the first meet, dont get involved in dinner/drinks or some activity. Coffee meets are low investment for both sides. He pressures for dinner/drinks, red fag.
The coffee meet is to see if you even want to go on a date. Also do it sooner rather than later so you dont chat for weeks wasting time, weed out fast with coffee meets. How one acts with chat and how they are in person is a different ball game.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 19:15:04 GMT
Thank you everyone. I agree, a little texting is ok but I like to keep it minimal and only for establishing some basic things and planning the meet, which also in my mind should be minimal.
This guy initiated texting countless times within 24 hours. I replied in minimal ways until I finally just let him know I don't want to proceed. Red flags galore!
I don't know that I will pursue online dating, it is just not appealing in any way to me. I gave it a shot and it's just not worth the headache.
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Post by leavethelighton on Apr 20, 2019 23:44:15 GMT
I think it's okay to email or text or whatever a bit before meeting. Not for months, but a couple weeks maybe. I suppose I'm biased in that I last internet dated about 18 years ago in a younger phase of life and I wanted to establish more mutual interests or perspectives or something before bothering with the coffee date. I think this may be a bit about personality whether you want to meet up fast or whether you want to give if a few weeks. As long as you're not online chatting for months while deluding yourself into think it's more or that people's online personas = their in-person personas then I don't see a problem with not doing a coffee date really quickly after meeting online.
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Post by tnr9 on Apr 22, 2019 17:39:03 GMT
My love language is physical touch...but I always ask before hugging...I don’t expect it. He sounds overly eager....too soon to really determine whether he is AP....but he obviously doesn’t take boundaries of another person into consideration and that for me is a warning sign. Because the moment he doesn’t get his way...how is he going to respond?
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Post by faithopelove on Apr 27, 2019 6:11:42 GMT
Sounds like too much too fast. I would be turned off and run...and I am AP. Also, the AP love language is touch so another indicator that he’s AP. His neediness would be too much for me esp considering you haven’t even met!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 5:14:00 GMT
Sounds like too much too fast. I would be turned off and run...and I am AP. Also, the AP love language is touch so another indicator that he’s AP. His neediness would be too much for me esp considering you haven’t even met!! He was over the top, could have even been narcissistic love bombing. I have a difficult time with the online thing, the electronic communication is really a trouble spot. I am reserved in the amount of contact I want to participate in prior to meeting. I try to be polite and courteous and warm enough to show adequate interest in meeting. But I'm not very interested in a person prior to meeting because for all I know they are nothing at all like what they portray on their profile, and anyone can write anything over text, without it being true. I gather nothing of real interest prior to meeting, as it means nothing until I have a live person in front of me to sense and communicate with. The profile and introductory conversations are merely an introduction as I see it! So, anyway, I seem to only attract chasers, and I wonder if it's just me or if it's the way online dating is? I don't want to be pursued prior to even meeting. I am pretty sure that the online dating venue is just a poor fit for me. I would probably trigger even a mildly anxious person because of the impersonal nature of texting and my approach, it's much easier and natural for me to encounter prospective dates in person without this terrible text / call process with random strangers.
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