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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 7:53:27 GMT
And @shiningstar you write that I may "Think it's not there" which doesn't matter in your opinion? That emotions originate somewhere and etc etc because it's my "way of limiting emotion?". If I try to feel a sensation and it's not there that means I can't feel it. I think it doesn't matter now that you can't feel it in your body, because it's a process to get there and/or maybe it's not something that applies to everybody? Like, I wouldn't stress out about it. For me, feeling emotions in the body was an outcome that resulted from other insights/choices I've made, not so much the key thing I was working on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 8:00:14 GMT
If a person has plenty of sympathetic arousal they will be feeling all those activated emotions. If the parasympathetic dominates they won't. So @shiningstar your level of sympathetic response can make you feel what someone without that level of sympathetic activation cannot feel.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 8:07:21 GMT
I think it doesn't matter now that you can't feel it in your body, because it's a process to get there and/or maybe it's not something that applies to everybody? Like, I wouldn't stress out about it. For me, feeling emotions in the body was an outcome that resulted from other insights/choices I've made, not so much the key thing I was working on. It does matter to me. I do not mean to dismiss you. What I meant is that it's just one thing in a big messy process, and it's not a linear move towards it, so it's ok if you haven't experienced that because it'll come in time as you work on other processes. in any case, i'm not assuming nor interpreting anything. I'm sharing my very personal experiences and words are only that useful in expressing that big mess. I understand that my experiences do not describe yours and yours mine, and that we are very different people.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 8:12:38 GMT
Thank you for clarifying, I'm not very clear atm the struggle is real. I feel that life is richer without the numbing, I am trying to understand things I don't understand yet, and really wish it was easier to get through it all but it is what it is. I'm thankful for the process but it's a lot.
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Post by anne12 on Nov 11, 2019 8:45:11 GMT
@inmourning What does your therapist tell you to do when you are in the state you are in now ? Does he tell you that you only got typical avoidant attatchment style or that you also got some desorganised attatment style/trauma ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 8:57:37 GMT
A long time ago up to my early 20s, i rarely felt anything. I was quite cold and clinical, but probably just suppressed alot of emotions. I remember those times, the feelings mainly stayed in my eyes and head, not so much bodily. like what @janedoe said, i started "feeling" when someone told me I was emotionally retarded, and it was just... messy. I think as part of "feeling" I also got involved in alot of emotional trauma and drama, which I could have dealt with better when i was dissociated, but the experience of "feeling" PLUS the drama was just crazy making. It's like going to war without training but coming out of it as a soldier versus going to war as a trained combat soldier and coming out a veteran. Wow, this brought a tear to my eye because I relate so much. What a good description. I think, at that time, maybe, it was that wherever it was that I WAS feeling things, I shoved it away from my heart as far as I possibly could. If it was in my head, fine. If it was way down below my stomach, that was also fine. Anything to protect my heart. It was in my early 30s that I opened up...and I opened up to the wrong people. And it was war. I remember in the midst of the turmoil, I felt like my guts were hanging out, exposed, and I was desperately trying to push them back inside. And I thought, "What is wrong with me? I was always able to keep my guts in before." But I couldn't seem to put them back. My family, friends wondered why I wasn't myself. Nothing ever phased me before. Those were the few who I let see me like that. Most I disappeared from. And I lost a lot of really good friends that way. It was nothing personal but just not wanting to let people see me with my guts hanging out. i agree - anything to protect my heart! and the more I do that, the emptier that space is, because it does not feel and therefore does not get "exercised". It's really like a muscle, the more emotions you feel and let in your heart, the stronger it becomes when the workout is over. the less you use it, the more the atrophy, and the thinner/weaker the muscle gets. The emotions are "kept in" because I'm not letting it all hang out for people to see, and that includes myself. The less I see/feel them, the emptier I became or so I thought. When I got "broken" it all came out; i was never really empty empty, it was just all hidden away somewhere else i couldn't see nor access. I also opened up to the wrong people in the past few years, those who have cognitive empathy but not emotional (this was discussed in another thread). I keep thinking it's my fault for not being normal, and that I didn't know how to do these things (sharing, activating, being vulnerable) automatically like everyone else seems to be doing. The truth is I opened myself up randomly to people, and those who took advantage of it were those who were unhealthy as well. it was a huge lesson in itself. These days, i try to give myself the space to feel things, and maybe share them with someone else. I no longer feel the need to open my guts up to others to form a connection with them, if anything, they need to earn my trust first before I truly do that. And it is not just for self-protection, it is also out of respect for someone else's well-being that I do not unleash potential triggers on them during my sharing. has that been your experience as well? What did happened after you opened up?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 9:01:18 GMT
@inmourning What does your therapist tell you to do when you are in the state you are in now ? Does he tell you that you only got typical avoidant attatchment style or that you also got some desorganised attatment style/trauma ? We are working through some things in sessions with trauma I don't recognize as such because everyone goes through things. He says I'm dominantly avoidant with some disorganized that he thinks is arising more as I work through or something like that. Im not hugely deactivated right now or dissociated, just tired from a busy emotional day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 9:24:50 GMT
Thank you for clarifying, I'm not very clear atm the struggle is real. I feel that life is richer without the numbing, I am trying to understand things I don't understand yet, and really wish it was easier to get through it all but it is what it is. I'm thankful for the process but it's a lot. @inmourning what is this struggle you speak of? the struggle of having this somatic experience or the struggle of understanding all of it or the struggle of not deactivating so you can feel? i also wished things were easier to get through, but there is also joy in the process of discovering yourself all over again, and if it is not there, well, that's an opportunity to develop this part the way you want it. it IS a lot, for anybody, and it's a process that require patience and an easygoing attitude towards it, like having fun with finding out what your map is. that way, it's really more of a discovery process where you reacquaint yourself with yourself, and that is so much more enjoyable. I wish you luck in this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 9:33:54 GMT
Thank you for clarifying, I'm not very clear atm the struggle is real. I feel that life is richer without the numbing, I am trying to understand things I don't understand yet, and really wish it was easier to get through it all but it is what it is. I'm thankful for the process but it's a lot. @inmourning what is this struggle you speak of? the struggle of having this somatic experience or the struggle of understanding all of it or the struggle of not deactivating so you can feel? i also wished things were easier to get through, but there is also joy in the process of discovering yourself all over again, and if it is not there, well, that's an opportunity to develop this part the way you want it. it IS a lot, for anybody, and it's a process that require patience and an easygoing attitude towards it, like having fun with finding out what your map is. that way, it's really more of a discovery process where you reacquaint yourself with yourself, and that is so much more enjoyable. I wish you luck in this. Actually at the moment I was referring to the struggle of being kind of exhausted, immediately. So I'm not super clear. But in general, the struggle of attachment stuff, I feel like it's not well understood that all sides of attachment are a struggle.
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Post by anne12 on Nov 11, 2019 9:38:15 GMT
@inmourning Okay that makes a lot of sence, that you've also got some trauma. Wether it's developmental trauma or chok trauma, stress or all of the above
A lot of people are walking around with some kind of trauma, that they just don't know about.
If you remember Peter Levines definition of trauma - then we can't just say to other people/to ourselves: "oh, that's nothing special" because we all react differently.
And you also know Diane's definition of desorganised
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 15:24:26 GMT
@janedoe the most effective way for me to handle the deactivation stuff is to work through things with my somatic therapist. I'm aware of more stuff as I do that but talking about it is like you said exhausting, and doesn't help that much. At least not as much as getting help from an expert in it.
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Post by tnr9 on Nov 11, 2019 15:50:50 GMT
Anxiety starts in my stomachs and radiates out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 16:13:34 GMT
So that's interesting, when I read about the anxiety of anxious preoccupation I have been imagining chest feelings, I don't know why- but there seems to be a lot in the stomach. I can't remember the last time I felt something in my stomach but I'm just going to pay attention to things like this to understand more.
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