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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 0:46:02 GMT
Here is a map of where people in a study felt different emotions in their body. I am confused about some of my emotions. I have realized that I don't feel fear as often as I think it. Meaning, I feel detached from it a lot of the time, because I can think of something I feel a fear about, but without a body feeling, it just seems far away. I have felt fear in my body but a lot of time my body isn't tuned in. So, I think that's an effect of my nervous system and I'm still trying to understand what's "normal". Pondering it today, I decided to look it up on the internet and this is what I found. Maybe it's interesting to you also. www.fastcompany.com/3024327/an-atlas-of-the-human-body-that-maps-where-we-feel-emotions
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 1:05:31 GMT
I used to be way detached from happiness and sadness, compared to fear, which is something I can detach or dissociate from. Anger, disgust, and contempt I feel deeply and strongly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 1:13:03 GMT
I used to be way detached from happiness and sadness, compared to fear, which is something I can detach or dissociate from. Anger, disgust, and contempt I feel deeply and strongly. Can you help me understand how you feel them? It's not that I haven't felt emotions in my body. It's not completely foreign to me. I have felt things strongly, but when I'm not feeling them it's very difficult for me to describe what that was like. That may sound dumb. I am not feeling anything in my body other than the weight of my self on my back as I'm lying down.... but I've had a complex day with a lot of emotions in my head as I have thought through some difficult stuff. I am trying hard to notice low level deactivation in myself , when it's going on. I guess it is now. So, at any rate I'd appreciate hearing your experience of feeling emotions as a body thing instead of just thoughts, if you're inclined to share. Do you feel feelings as body sensations every day, all the time, only sometimes, only if it's intense, etc. i'm just trying to understand myself here is all, and become more aware. Im very much in my head. I wonder if I've always been this way. I guess I feel confused a lot about this. Probably deactivation impacting me, lame.
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Post by faithopelove on Nov 11, 2019 1:41:13 GMT
I used to be way detached from happiness and sadness, compared to fear, which is something I can detach or dissociate from. Anger, disgust, and contempt I feel deeply and strongly. Can you help me understand how you feel them? It's not that I haven't felt emotions in my body. It's not completely foreign to me. I have felt things strongly, but when I'm not feeling them it's very difficult for me to describe what that was like. That may sound dumb. I am not feeling anything in my body other than the weight of my self on my back as I'm lying down.... but I've had a complex day with a lot of emotions in my head as I have thought through some difficult stuff. I am trying hard to notice low level deactivation in myself , when it's going on. I guess it is now. So, at any rate I'd appreciate hearing your experience of feeling emotions as a body thing instead of just thoughts, if you're inclined to share. Do you feel feelings as body sensations every day, all the time, only sometimes, only if it's intense, etc. i'm just trying to understand myself here is all, and become more aware. Im very much in my head. I wonder if I've always been this way. I guess I feel confused a lot about this. Probably deactivation impacting me, lame. @inmourning - Interesting read. (And not lame! 😉) I don’t feel my emotions to the extent the chart shows, but I am very familiar with the feeling of deep rejection, loss or abandonment. Those feelings are deep in my stomach. When an emotion is still hurtful, but less severe, I feel it in my heart. Sometimes I can have something that evokes a negative emotion of loss or rejection start in my stomach and later travel to my heart, and I know for me that’s progress bc the negative emotion is moving upward affecting me less. Anger would be in my head and happiness and joy I feel more in my chest and radiating up in a warm way. Those are the major emotions I feel.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 1:47:11 GMT
Can you help me understand how you feel them? It's not that I haven't felt emotions in my body. It's not completely foreign to me. I have felt things strongly, but when I'm not feeling them it's very difficult for me to describe what that was like. That may sound dumb. I am not feeling anything in my body other than the weight of my self on my back as I'm lying down.... but I've had a complex day with a lot of emotions in my head as I have thought through some difficult stuff. I am trying hard to notice low level deactivation in myself , when it's going on. I guess it is now. So, at any rate I'd appreciate hearing your experience of feeling emotions as a body thing instead of just thoughts, if you're inclined to share. Do you feel feelings as body sensations every day, all the time, only sometimes, only if it's intense, etc. i'm just trying to understand myself here is all, and become more aware. Im very much in my head. I wonder if I've always been this way. I guess I feel confused a lot about this. Probably deactivation impacting me, lame. @inmourning - I don’t feel my emotions to the extent the chart shows, but I am very familiar with the feeling of deep rejection, loss or abandonment. Those feelings are deep in my stomach. When an emotion is still hurtful, but less severe, I feel it in my heart. Sometimes I can have something that evokes a negative emotion of loss or rejection start in my stomach and later travel to my heart, and I know for me that’s progress bc the negative emotion is affecting me less. Anger would be in my head and happiness and joy I feel more in my chest and radiating up in a warm way. Those are the major emotions I feel. Thank you for this, Faith. So are you saying that it's normal for you to feel all these emotions in your body and you notice it regularly? If you are concerned about something, do you feel it or just think it? I am going to try to really notice this all day tomorrow or the next day or two, to see if I can register things more often. How would someone feel an emotion in their whole body? Obviously I have nerve endings all over and can feel all kinds of things, but I'm not sure how you'd feel something like an emotion everywhere.
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Post by faithopelove on Nov 11, 2019 2:04:38 GMT
@inmourning - I don’t feel my emotions to the extent the chart shows, but I am very familiar with the feeling of deep rejection, loss or abandonment. Those feelings are deep in my stomach. When an emotion is still hurtful, but less severe, I feel it in my heart. Sometimes I can have something that evokes a negative emotion of loss or rejection start in my stomach and later travel to my heart, and I know for me that’s progress bc the negative emotion is affecting me less. Anger would be in my head and happiness and joy I feel more in my chest and radiating up in a warm way. Those are the major emotions I feel. Thank you for this, Faith. So are you saying that it's normal for you to feel all these emotions in your body and you notice it regularly? If you are concerned about something, do you feel it or just think it? I am going to try to really notice this all day tomorrow or the next day or two, to see if I can register things more often. How would someone feel an emotion in their whole body? Obviously I have nerve endings all over and can feel all kinds of things, but I'm not sure how you'd feel something like an emotion everywhere. @inmourning - My therapist also used to ask me where I felt emotions. We were usually talking about rejection or abandonment at the time and I was feeling it acutely so it was easy to identify that deep in my stomach or to a lesser extent my heart. No, I’m definitely not aware of my feelings all the time. I’m trying to become more mindful. At work I’m completely on the go from the second I get there until I leave- distracted by my many demanding students. It’s in the evening when my day is finally settling down when I have some quiet time to notice how I’m doing. This is new to me as well but I’ve been watching some good videos by Thais Gibson to help me.
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Post by faithopelove on Nov 11, 2019 2:09:24 GMT
When I felt rejection and embarrassment (it was those things together ) last week when my guy laughed at me ( I misunderstood , he thought I was cute) it was a pinch in my chest. But it was very short and then just went to sadness. When you feel rejection in your stomach do you feel sick? @inmourning - Not exactly sick but it’s a deep aching pain and I hate feeling it. It’s like being punched in the gut.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 2:13:21 GMT
@inmourning - Interesting read. (And not lame! 😉) I don’t feel my emotions to the extent the chart shows, but I am very familiar with the feeling of deep rejection, loss or abandonment. Those feelings are deep in my stomach. When an emotion is still hurtful, but less severe, I feel it in my heart. Sometimes I can have something that evokes a negative emotion of loss or rejection start in my stomach and later travel to my heart, and I know for me that’s progress bc the negative emotion is moving upward affecting me less. Anger would be in my head and happiness and joy I feel more in my chest and radiating up in a warm way. Those are the major emotions I feel. Hm. I can relate to the stomach thing. If I feel betrayed, I almost feel sick to my stomach. I think I’ve felt it other times in my stomach. It is the severity of it. Anger I feel in my chest. Rejection or the potential for it, I dissociate from. I feel it and it gets stuffed down down down. I’m not sure I can explain but it gets pushed down. Thank you for this input Jane. I thought everyone felt rejection as a pinch on their chest. I can't imagine it in my stomach. But I know what you mean about pushing down. I can sometimes switch something off and sometimes my body just says "Nope we will be having none of that" and before I know it I'm just kind of neutral- I might still be thinking a lot about it but my body isn't overwhelming me with it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 2:15:30 GMT
When I felt rejection and embarrassment (it was those things together ) last week when my guy laughed at me ( I misunderstood , he thought I was cute) it was a pinch in my chest. But it was very short and then just went to sadness. When you feel rejection in your stomach do you feel sick? @inmourning - Not exactly sick but it’s a deep aching pain and I hate feeling it. It’s like being punched in the gut. Oh wow!! I'm sorry. I have felt punched in the stomach but I can't remember why. I think it was rather quick to subside. Does it stay with you? You don't have to answer all these questions.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 2:50:04 GMT
I'm feeling more with my somatic therapy. I don't like all of it. When I say I'm feeling more I mean emotions- I obviously have always been able to feel all the sensory stuff like pain and massages and sex and all that. (Yay!) Its the emotions that are different. I've never questioned it. Probably because I HAVE felt intense stuff but maybe I just am not feeling body stuff as often as non-avoidants. I guess there is no way to know but I'll ask my therapist about what he thinks. He's deep into all the neuroscience of attachment and trauma and all that. Lol no it’s not all pleasant, from my experience, when you’re used to numbing out. Just a thought, I don’t know if it would operate the same way for you, but maybe ask your therapist for guidance on how to handle or operate regularly with the new feelings/sensations (as opposed to just being open to feeling them). For me, I was used to operating one way, and when I changed my patterns (not with therapy though), I was completely lost in how to function with the more challenging and painful emotions. It’s like learning how to walk again, but as a full grown adult. Maybe that’s an obvious comment, but I wish I had had some guidance. No, I know what you mean and I appreciate what you're saying. I do find myself reaching out for help a lot more. I've cried a lot in the last few months. I've also reflexively deactivated or dissociated from the emotions a lot so it's been a roller coaster. I've been more genuine because I am ABLE to be, for instance when I was crying all over myself to K (that's what i'm going to call my guy from now on, i'm sick of labeling him). I was being super vulnerable talking about my hurt feelings instead of denying them or checking out from them somehow. It was overwhelming. BUT I felt a lot better and was happy for the experience of being really genuine with him. All it takes is some kindness to fix that kind of stuff up- repair it. It makes me want to talk to him about every little thing I notice now but that would annoy him. Lol. I'm going to show him the body map at some point and see what he says. I'm guessing he will be mystified a bit too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 2:52:14 GMT
Haha he just texted me in the middle of writing this and guess what I felt my smile right away and my face felt warm around my jaw. So that's cool.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 3:08:26 GMT
i feel anger in the chest, like a ball of fire that fills up my entire upper chest to throat, so think of the space between your mouth and underboob. it also comes out from my throat - that's why my voice rises when i get angry. and if i get really angry, i snap. the emotion just shoots out of my head lol, and it feels like my head exploded. I've rarely reached that state, but if i do, it's like a fire hydrant.
happiness and fear come together, usually followed by sadness. This combination of feelings usually is from social interactions e.g., someone made me happy. when i'm feeling happy, it starts from the heart, very localized. then it squeezes probably from fear. when it comes out, it's also from my throat, but in a much smaller "stream" compared to anger - anger is like this massive water column exploding from a fire hose, happiness + fear is more constricted, softer, and weaker stream of intense emotion. sadness then just starts from the mid chest, sternum area, usually more like a welling up.
awkwardness and embarrassment start with a pinch in a chest. could go all over the body if i let it, usually stays around the neck and shoulders.
when im happy e.g., from eating good food tht i've been craving with no fear, it's more just a heavier, fuller, steadier spread of warmth from diaphragm area.
contempt and disgust usually starts from the throat and eyes - eye rolling, and gag reflex. much more localized in the head (cos of judgment and wariness) than in the body.
dread for me comes from the stomach and below the heart. this increasing sense of heaviness.
anxiety is usually located around the area from the eyes to the boobs. lots of light, tense energy - think deer in headlights.
The one time that "broke" me was when my ex started pulling away then texted me that he wanted to spend more time on work and less time on us. it just felt like my entire soul was ripped out of my chest from my throat - everything was empty. that ripping out emptied out both my brain and heart - I just wasn't there anymore, even though i was completely functioning e.g., going to work and having meetings. I don't think there was much feeling most of the times, just this big emptiness that was gaping and it felt no matter how much i breathed, the gap cannot be filled. usually, deep breathing helps to diffuse all the other feelings described above.
A long time ago up to my early 20s, i rarely felt anything. I was quite cold and clinical, but probably just suppressed alot of emotions. I remember those times, the feelings mainly stayed in my eyes and head, not so much bodily. like what @janedoe said, i started "feeling" when someone told me I was emotionally retarded, and it was just... messy. I think as part of "feeling" I also got involved in alot of emotional trauma and drama, which I could have dealt with better when i was dissociated, but the experience of "feeling" PLUS the drama was just crazy making. It's like going to war without training but coming out of it as a soldier versus going to war as a trained combat soldier and coming out a veteran.
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Post by faithopelove on Nov 11, 2019 3:12:31 GMT
@inmourning - Not exactly sick but it’s a deep aching pain and I hate feeling it. It’s like being punched in the gut. Oh wow!! I'm sorry. I have felt punched in the stomach but I can't remember why. I think it was rather quick to subside. Does it stay with you? You don't have to answer all these questions. @inmourning - I don’t mind sharing. The abandonment/loss/rejection pain I feel in my stomach isn’t constant but in the direct aftermath of a break up or, for example, a partner shutting down on me will bring about those feelings. The severity wears off as time goes on- recalling different events w my therapist though brought up familiar feelings of abandonment in my stomach. I never noticed where these emotions were felt before my therapist had me pause and feel the emotion. My DA has started to come out of his deactivation or “thaw” state as I call it. He responded to me Sat night and said he’d like to try again this upcoming week. I have a feeling I’ll get to practice my emotional self-control, communication and conflict resolution skills all at once. I do need to get a better handle of the self-awareness and questioning the negative self-talk. Be more direct in communication. And I want to tell him these things when we talk.
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Post by faithopelove on Nov 11, 2019 3:18:44 GMT
i feel anger in the chest, like a ball of fire that fills up my entire upper chest to throat, so think of the space between your mouth and underboob. it also comes out from my throat - that's why my voice rises when i get angry. and if i get really angry, i snap. the emotion just shoots out of my head lol, and it feels like my head exploded. I've rarely reached that state, but if i do, it's like a fire hydrant. happiness and fear come together, usually followed by sadness. This combination of feelings usually is from social interactions e.g., someone made me happy. when i'm feeling happy, it starts from the heart, very localized. then it squeezes probably from fear. when it comes out, it's also from my throat, but in a much smaller "stream" compared to anger - anger is like this massive water column exploding from a fire hose, happiness + fear is more constricted, softer, and weaker stream of intense emotion. sadness then just starts from the mid chest, sternum area, usually more like a welling up. awkwardness and embarrassment start with a pinch in a chest. could go all over the body if i let it, usually stays around the neck and shoulders. when im happy e.g., from eating good food tht i've been craving with no fear, it's more just a heavier, fuller, steadier spread of warmth from diaphragm area. contempt and disgust usually starts from the throat and eyes - eye rolling, and gag reflex. much more localized in the head (cos of judgment and wariness) than in the body. dread for me comes from the stomach and below the heart. this increasing sense of heaviness. anxiety is usually located around the area from the eyes to the boobs. lots of light, tense energy - think deer in headlights. The one time that "broke" me was when my ex started pulling away then texted me that he wanted to spend more time on work and less time on us. it just felt like my entire soul was ripped out of my chest from my throat - everything was empty. that ripping out emptied out both my brain and heart - I just wasn't there anymore, even though i was completely functioning e.g., going to work and having meetings. I don't think there was much feeling most of the times, just this big emptiness that was gaping and it felt no matter how much i breathed, the gap cannot be filled. usually, deep breathing helps to diffuse all the other feelings described above. A long time ago up to my early 20s, i rarely felt anything. I was quite cold and clinical, but probably just suppressed alot of emotions. I remember those times, the feelings mainly stayed in my eyes and head, not so much bodily. like what @janedoe said, i started "feeling" when someone told me I was emotionally retarded, and it was just... messy. I think as part of "feeling" I also got involved in alot of emotional trauma and drama, which I could have dealt with better when i was dissociated, but the experience of "feeling" PLUS the drama was just crazy making. It's like going to war without training but coming out of it as a soldier versus going to war as a trained combat soldier and coming out a veteran. @shiningstar - Wow, you’re good at this! Since I’m severely DA with my parents I wonder if I also suppress a lot of my feelings? I’m only AP in romantic relationships.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 3:18:56 GMT
I used to be way detached from happiness and sadness, compared to fear, which is something I can detach or dissociate from. Anger, disgust, and contempt I feel deeply and strongly. Can you help me understand how you feel them? It's not that I haven't felt emotions in my body. It's not completely foreign to me. I have felt things strongly, but when I'm not feeling them it's very difficult for me to describe what that was like. That may sound dumb. I am not feeling anything in my body other than the weight of my self on my back as I'm lying down.... but I've had a complex day with a lot of emotions in my head as I have thought through some difficult stuff. I am trying hard to notice low level deactivation in myself , when it's going on. I guess it is now. So, at any rate I'd appreciate hearing your experience of feeling emotions as a body thing instead of just thoughts, if you're inclined to share. Do you feel feelings as body sensations every day, all the time, only sometimes, only if it's intense, etc. i'm just trying to understand myself here is all, and become more aware. Im very much in my head. I wonder if I've always been this way. I guess I feel confused a lot about this. Probably deactivation impacting me, lame. ah, did you mean how did I come to feel them? sorry it's a little disjointed - this is something i've also been going through in the past 2 years, so it's also quite new to me. The way i can think of my experience so far is three layers of emotions. 1. that it is there, mostly in my head, perhaps with a tinge in my body somewhere. 2. things i've described below where the emotion is more located in my body, not so much in my head. 3. i'm just THE EMOTION. overtaken by it and lost my head. Happened to me probably a couple of times where I get so angry/triggered that my head just exploded. I've practiced being mindful and allowing my emotions to surface without losing control of myself or of it. There's a very fine balance where i give space to the emotion to be expressed (take form) while holding myself in control and present - that's a state that requires much practice; usually there's alot of fear of either losing yourself to the emotion and therefore not allowing the emotion to take form or a fear of not being heard/felt and therefore the emotion just explodes on everyone. It's like... giving birth to a demon baby and your willpower and control will shape what this baby will look like. A well-practised witch/wizard can do this with control, but a novice just makes it messy. like i said, i was very much in my head - very DA. at some point, without therapy, i decided to try "the other way", and just swung very hard to the other side. still recovering from it though.
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