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Post by tnr9 on Jul 31, 2020 18:34:47 GMT
I think your actions are commendable and agree with dhali that you did not do anything wrong based on your posts. You put up boundaries which are healthy in a relationship and he did not like this due to his own attachment issues. Regardless of his motivation, you can't suffer at the hands of his behavior. I think everyone defines cheating differently. For me, knowing a man is seeking attention from (what he considers) attractive females (because he finds them attractive) is enough to walk (though I have heard plenty of excuses about this, in the end this is what they are doing). Though this is a deactivation strategy, that is not acceptable. Please know, healthy women in committed relationships do not find this acceptable and you also not finding it acceptable and also having a conversation about it means that you are moving towards a healthier and stronger place and should be very very proud of yourself. I think it is inspiring. I know the NC is hard. Hang in there. Thank you, alice ! I appreciate it. I think he also knows deep down that being on there or seeking attention from other women wasn't/isn't acceptable in our relationship — as it wasn't open and we hadn't discussed previously. He didn't know exactly about my cheating/etc trigger but I had hinted at it by just broadly stating "shitty men in past relationships" and issues with "being betrayed, in the dark, and lied to." Again, I certainly don't think he consciously did it to hurt me, but it was a boundary that's my biggest basically (not being betrayed, in the dark, etc esp with other women) — so I had to be firm. And NC with social media involved is just brutal. It's so weird not to engage with his posts. I've had an ongoing discussion with alexandra about how it feels like protest behavior (which I'm trying to be very conscious not to do) yet it's actually not, it's just taking healthy space, etc. Ugh, just sucks though. I have so much compassion for him and what he's going through (especially understanding the trauma piece now much better), and I don't want him to think "I hate him" or went back on my promise that I'm always here for him. Of course, if he reached out and needed anything I would, so I know it's not like I'm going back on that technically — it just feels weird not to reach out and check in etc. But I guess he gave that up when he said he needed to be on his own (in different words but it did feel like he broke things off when he could've tried to work it out, like he just gave up and/or didn't want to face the conflict of the Tinder thing and/or had been wanting to get out for some time (even if just felt that way during deactivation... but the "you deserve better" thing makes me think that outside of deactivation he still wanted to be together but was truly just feeling crappy like he said). I just hope he doesn't think I "abandoned" him or broke up because of his depression/struggles, as it wasn't that. So I've been struggling with those thoughts/worries. But isn’t that the crazy making part...the statements that are not clear....the giving up on you but then saying you deserve better....it is a 1 foot in, 1 foot out and leaving the final decision to you. And doesn’t it stink that he won’t fight for you? I just wanted to bring a different perspective to this thread.
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Post by tnr9 on Aug 2, 2020 20:23:46 GMT
But isn’t that the crazy making part...the statements that are not clear....the giving up on you but then saying you deserve better....it is a 1 foot in, 1 foot out and leaving the final decision to you. And doesn’t it stink that he won’t fight for you? I just wanted to bring a different perspective to this thread. Interesting — in reading your comment, I at first thought about how traditionally I used to do protest behavior or be aloof to see if the person would "fight for me" or really cared — because if they didn't do those things, they didn't care, and I had just protected myself from getting hurt. Up until this relationship, I did this 100% of the time. Every situation. If you left any decision up to me, I would've either walked or keep pining in my head (or being miserable) but not doing any action (aka all avoiding). But that didn't work here (because he was more "fearful" than I was, he was more aloof — and I could recognize this and the gut feeling he did actually like me by subtle exchanges and just in general/the connection), and it taught me (plus through my work/therapy/awareness) not to do that. It taught me to "fight" for myself and what I wanted. Almost to the point of when I sent what I did, I of course deep down wanted him to "fight" for me or try, but it was different this time, I wasn't doing it for that reason — I was doing it to stand up for myself, so if it backfired, I knew I still had did the right thing. I did it to set a boundary for respect. Not because I wanted out really, not because I wanted him to fight, but because I knew it had crossed my biggest boundary and if I let it go, I'd be disrespecting myself and showing him it's ok to walk all over me. (I think at least on all of this, I'm still processing this) And I want/wanted him, want/wanted the relationship, but I knew I couldn't let myself get stepped on in that regard as I've been before. I don't even think it's not something that can be worked out in the future (or even then), but he chose not to try to talk it out. Like I said, maybe he'd been wanting to get out (or maybe just wanting to in deactivation) or maybe it was just giving up because it was easier — but he made that decision. I had to make decisions throughout the relationships when I'm historically and currently TERRIBLE at decisions (even though here I knew what I wanted which I often don't, even in simple things like what to eat). I also tried hard to get him to speak up about what he wanted and show him it's ok — as no one ever showed me that before. That doesn't mean I don't go back and forth, have doubts (certainly in the first week), etc... I do for sure, but it feels different this time and most of the time I can see clearly that I "fought" and tried so hard, I was vocal about my feelings, and just tried to love him... and it comes down to he doesn't have the capacity or tools to participate right now. It doesn't actually feel because of lack of love on his end. Sure he's a dick in deactivation — and I guarantee when he reupped Tinder he was in deactivation and a dismissive state — but I also get the reasoning behind this. It's weird to feel like something wasn't because of a lack of love, but more about capability and someone just more so "giving up" or maybe it's "letting me go" — I don't know, again still processing. I saw all of these things in a "calm" mindset, so you bet I'll probably write and have when I'm triggered/anxious, and it's all different... but getting it out there before the demons circle back over. I did not mean that he fought for you in an anxious/avoidant trap...I mean....that he gave up....all too easily. You fought for you...which is fantastic....completely shows in how you look back over things....but there is this mismatch between the two of you. You have progressed....you would have worked things out...taken out your toolbox and tried to meet him halfway. He did not....that is all I am pointing out. 🙂
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