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Post by fearful8 on Jan 14, 2022 2:30:58 GMT
Introvert—good point!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 2:33:35 GMT
You're veering wayyyyy into unhealthy, AP territory here. This is classic. You need to stop analyzing him and analyze yourself- I don't mean that unkindly but you are drinking the AP kool-aid and buying into the fixer healer helper mentality with everything you've got and it's really unhealthy.
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Post by alexandra on Jan 14, 2022 2:34:11 GMT
FAs are likely to end up in abusive romantic relationships, yes. Their childhoods often had abusive dynamics of some sort, or at least chaos and inconsistency, so they are more primed to tolerate it. Or FAs think it is normal and how everyone is, as that has been their own experience. Or sometimes they even seek it out and are attracted to it (not consciously) because chaos and drama feels familiar and excites the nervous system, and they were taught to accept unacceptable behavior while still staying attached to the adult figure who was simultaneously scary but also necessary to get needs met. Since a child cannot meet its own needs, physically or emotionally. I prefer to cite stuff like this with actual research rather than random websites, but this is a pretty good discussion about it: www.heirloomcounseling.com/blog/2019/2/1/is-your-partner-avoidant-or-abusive-lets-talk-about-the-differencesFAs can be abusive, too. Some of it may be unconscious. Their own defense mechanisms and learned behaviors from unhealthy adults can be emotionally abusive without them realizing it. Some people just have bad character and are crappy and abusive. The cause doesn't really matter, abuse is abuse and should be left behind when possible. The one difference it makes if it's intentional or not is there's a better chance for the person to eventually heal and perhaps stop abusing people in the future -- but it won't help someone who is currently in the situation with them or has been in the past and shouldn't be used to make excuses to stick around.
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Post by fearful8 on Jan 14, 2022 2:36:07 GMT
What does AP stand for?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 2:39:11 GMT
Anxious Preoccupied attachment type, what you are currently manifesting. Also known as ambivalent. The classic clinger, or codependent type. That what this is that you're doing.
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Post by alexandra on Jan 14, 2022 2:44:29 GMT
Why do they always talk about 0-3? Is it just that your attachment is less likely going to be effected the older you are? When you're a young child, you can't regulate your own nervous system and emotions yet. You're not capable. So it's very important for at least some of the adults around to be attuned with you and sooth you, then as you get a little older, help teach you how to self-soothe. You don't have object permanence yet, you don't have a sense of self versus others or healthy boundaries, you need to learn it all. Some of it happens naturally, too (object permanence should develop between ages 2-4 or something like that if a kid is meeting healthy milestones). In my opinion, if you're around the same adults your entire childhood into your teens, they are probably going to have the same parenting habits and dynamics throughout. Maybe they'll change but most people don't unless they really want to or something major has happened. So that means, whatever dynamic you experienced when you were 0-3, you'll probably get more of the same with the same people and have it reinforced over and over as you become an older child. So the framework starts early and then most likely gets reinforced, and that's what you've learned. There's an age that, if trauma happens, you're still emotionally forming and your brain is developing. So if you were secure until you were, say, 7 years old, then experience a traumatic death or something, without good guidance you may start developing dysfunctional defense mechanisms because you're still an immature kid and don't know better how to cope. If something traumatic happens when you're a teenager or older, it's still going to impact you, but you may have more and better and more mature emotional tools at your disposal to handle it (or an already established dysfunctional set of tools and an insecure attachment style with patterns you lean on to try to cope). So again, my opinion is, the framework for your nervous system wiring and attachment style is formed in early life and reinforced, but other things can happen that can change it. More trauma without the tools to handle it is one way to get more insecure. Being an adult who decides to heal trauma and takes responsibility to earn security is one way to get more secure.
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Post by fearful8 on Jan 14, 2022 2:45:20 GMT
I have so much to think about. These are all such great points. Thank you all so much. I do want to understand myself too. It’s part of the reason why I’m asking. I’m in a way wondering I should never date another FA. Another person I know mentioned being an FA and it did make me go back and look at the attachment theory. I think someone once said it was only mentally Ill or adopted that are in this category of attachment so I never payed attention. I was surprised when I realized it was me too.
What would the typical response to discussing a core wound be? Withdrawal for a few days? I’m trying to gage how severe of an issue I’m dealing with too. I thought it was such a big deal he opened up to me and told me he was damaged in a very dissapointed way like he was frustrated or is that typical? I thought that would be only something an AF would do with someone they truly trust.
Also, I will admit, I like to help people. I spend a lot of time helping friends with their relationship woes but when it comes to me I can never think straight and I get all emotional and make excuses for the guy. I’m doing it way too much in this circumstance, likely. I’m usually level headed and make better choices when involving other people. Lol.
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Post by fearful8 on Jan 14, 2022 2:48:05 GMT
Oh yes, in my head I am stage 3 clinger! Ugh. I don’t know why I do this. I started reading something about healing old wound and I really did think about my parent in childhood being non emotional and never getting his attention in a positive way and how I really might be actually trying to fix that like they say and it just blew my mind. I know I’ve heard it a million times but it clicked finally that I try so hard when unavailable guy needs help because I want to prove I can and fix that childhood wound.
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Post by alexandra on Jan 14, 2022 2:48:32 GMT
I think someone once said it was only mentally Ill or adopted that are in this category of attachment so I never payed attention. I was surprised when I realized it was me too. This isn't true. It doesn't mean you're mentally ill. It can happen for lots of reasons, chaos and abuse being some. It can also happen if you had a parent who enmeshed with you, was co-dependent, didn't give you emotional space to grow, wanted you to parent them instead of them parenting you, and more...
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Post by alexandra on Jan 14, 2022 2:49:57 GMT
I started reading something about healing old wound and I really did think about my parent in childhood being non emotional and never getting his attention in a positive way and how I really might be actually trying to fix that like they say and it just blew my mind. I know I’ve heard it a million times but it clicked finally that I try so hard when unavailable guy needs help because I want to prove I can and fix that childhood wound. Or this! Inconsistency and neglect can cause it as well.
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Post by fearful8 on Jan 14, 2022 2:51:02 GMT
Also, I personally grew up in a chaotic home where life felt very confusing. My parents had difficulty explaining things to me that should have been basic things
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 2:52:16 GMT
Oh yes, in my head I am stage 3 clinger! Ugh. I don’t know why I do this. I started reading something about healing old wound and I really did think about my parent in childhood being non emotional and never getting his attention in a positive way and how I really might be actually trying to fix that like they say and it just blew my mind. I know I’ve heard it a million times but it clicked finally that I try so hard when unavailable guy needs help because I want to prove I can and fix that childhood wound. Right- seriously try to turn it off right now because the only thing you should be focusing on is that clinger dysfunction. This is stage 5 given he wants to see other people and has seen you once since November. See this for what it is, instead of all these distractions and fantasies. You are acting out your issues and that's all you need to know. I wish you the best but you won't find it in threads like this. Focus on your own wounds.
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Post by fearful8 on Jan 14, 2022 2:52:28 GMT
Alexandra— what does it mean to enmesh? I googled but hard to understand
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Post by fearful8 on Jan 14, 2022 2:53:36 GMT
Thank you introvert for your help. If anyone has suggestions on how to work on self, how they did it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 2:56:41 GMT
Thank you introvert for your help. If anyone has suggestions on how to work on self, how they did it? alexandra, tnr9 , @shiningstar all have made great gains. Stop asking about him and focus on yourself instead, there is a lot there to unpack and this is where you will get the most for your effort. Good luck!
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