sorgin
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Post by sorgin on Apr 27, 2022 13:03:11 GMT
I am sorry you had to watch this. Try not to take it personal. He thinks this time will be different but it won't. Hopefully he won't reach out so you can keep taking care of yourself and working on your own issues without being molested. Looks like you're doing it pretty wells so far. Thank you... Have got this (probably misguided) hope that this knowledge will push me further into the process of accepting that this is all definitely, definitely over this time and help me to move on. Just now it feels like a major set-back in my healing, and I'm actually just really angry and hurt, but as with all the emotions, I know it'll eventually pass. Whether it works or not with this new person is something I'm going to have to find a way to not put energy into... the truth is it might work, and I need to not make that a reflection of me. He's a good guy wrapped up with some very unhealthy layers... but a certain type of person might be able to ignore the layers and work with him exactly as he is. That's up to them to figure out. His relationships have got nothing to do with me now. The disrespect of posting about her hours after breaking up with me and knowing I would see it is just insane... and the fact that I can now see that he was gaslighting me in his reasons for breaking up, as he really tried to blame it all on me. Those things are what I feel angry about. You got reason to feel angry about it, no matter whether he is a good person or not, his acts are blameworthy. I think it's pretty normal to feel a set-back. In regard to what you say about knowledge... I can relate to this, some people here told me so, because it is at a subconscious level it doesn't matter how much knowledge you got on AT or selfknowledge. But how to deal with this pain and process it is what it will make the difference. I don't know what else to say, hopefully you'll get an answer from way better skilled members. Sending hugs to you.
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Post by sunrisequest on Apr 27, 2022 13:12:07 GMT
Thank you for your replies Sorgin. Gratefully accepted the hugs and the kind words.
Yeah, I'll allow myself to feel the anger for a little while. I actually think that will be good for me as I'm tired of my brain going to a place where I make excuses for him. He messed me around and treated me badly and betrayed my trust... I deserve better than that.
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Post by anne12 on Apr 27, 2022 13:13:42 GMT
“I do practice a few somatic exercises as a general thing, plus I journal and meditate and a few other grounding techniques. Feel lucky that I have them!! They definitely do help” - that sounds fantastic! sunrisequestI would get pissed I would do the two chair anger-exercise and strangle him or kick his balls in slow motion ect. There are 3 steps. jebkinnisonforum.com/post/25648/
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Post by deanna on Apr 27, 2022 15:01:31 GMT
I'm so sorry you are having to deal with this sunrisequest on top of what you were already processing. As if the break up was not enough! It's all coming at you at once which may feel like some kind of break in the future in terms of concentrating the pain to its absolute limits. I don't know what else to say other than I wish you didn't have to endure this and sometimes the only thing you can do is lean in to all the feelings, including anger as others have recommended. And if there ever was a time to be kind to yourself, this is it.
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rykus9
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Post by rykus9 on Apr 27, 2022 18:04:29 GMT
Thank you for your replies Sorgin. Gratefully accepted the hugs and the kind words. Yeah, I'll allow myself to feel the anger for a little while. I actually think that will be good for me as I'm tired of my brain going to a place where I make excuses for him. He messed me around and treated me badly and betrayed my trust... I deserve better than that. I am glad your are letting the anger make him more clear to you, and I think as hard as it is to feel this right now ultimately it is so much better you learn the truth about him and that situation so you can more easily establish clear boundaries. As far as your thinking on him and how he is nice and just has layers of bad someone else could overlook. Although I do agree with this, I feel the people willing to overlook things such as these are usually hoping you will overlook things in themselves as well. This isn't a healthy dynamic, just two people hoping they can make dysfunction work with the coping mechanisms they have. The fact they both are choosing long distance(unavailable) partners and that he chose that with you too leads to serious doubt on the level of commitment either are able to make (especially him if it's a trend as you where also long distance?) Sending positive thought and support to you. I think you deserve much better and I believe for all of us the more we learn the more likely we are to not only attract but enjoy more stable relationships.
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Post by sunrisequest on Apr 27, 2022 19:02:20 GMT
“I do practice a few somatic exercises as a general thing, plus I journal and meditate and a few other grounding techniques. Feel lucky that I have them!! They definitely do help” - that sounds fantastic! sunrisequestI would get pissed I would do the two chair anger-exercise and strangle him or kick his balls in slow motion ect. There are 3 steps. jebkinnisonforum.com/post/25648/Thank you… he he that made me smile. Yes perhaps that’s what I should do.
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Post by sunrisequest on Apr 27, 2022 19:07:05 GMT
I'm so sorry you are having to deal with this sunrisequest on top of what you were already processing. As if the break up was not enough! It's all coming at you at once which may feel like some kind of break in the future in terms of concentrating the pain to its absolute limits. I don't know what else to say other than I wish you didn't have to endure this and sometimes the only thing you can do is lean in to all the feelings, including anger as others have recommended. And if there ever was a time to be kind to yourself, this is it. Thank you! Agree, leaning into it is the only way. Also going to create some better boundaries about allowing news of him come my way. I don’t want to know what he’s up to now. Accepting in a really final way that this is definitely over for good is going to be the only way to move on. Even though I knew that logically before, there was a part of my brain that was still hoping for it. This feels so much more final now.
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Post by sunrisequest on Apr 27, 2022 19:29:06 GMT
Thanks for your thoughts Rykus9! I really hope this is the case and I’ll attract someone more secure next time.
No, we weren’t long distance, we lived close to each other and I was readily available in all the ways. The fact he is FA leaning more anxious means that he chased very hard to begin with, he was talking about moving in within the first month etc… always wanting to talk about the future, marriage etc, even before we really knew each other properly. I had to slow it down quite a lot at various stages (which made him feel very insecure and upset), but the more committed I became as time went on, the more he’d pull back and freak out.
He said that he’d done that in the past relationships too and was trying to change it. So I’m guessing if he follows the same pattern, he’ll be trying to find a way to live with her asap… and then drama will follow in a different way. But who knows???
if he chooses someone more avoidant (which is more typical for his attachment rather than someone like me who is more AP) then he may get along better with that vibe. He even mused on that one day, that his options were to stay with me and find a way to deal with all of his crap (cos I was acting like a mirror to him plus holding him to account) or find someone else who would just put up with his crap. Sounds like he decided to go for the latter.
Either way, that shouldn’t matter to me now… the learnings for me here are plenty. The red flags have stacked up all along the way and I made excuses for them. My own anxious tendencies flared massively towards the very end and after he kept threatening to leave so frequently… so now I see where my own insecurity still needs some healing.
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Post by deanna on Apr 29, 2022 1:32:23 GMT
Just chiming in to see how you are sunrisequest - it's a mighty shock you've received this week, and while it's clear you are doing everything you can to absorb this new development in a healthy way which serves you, that doesn't mean it's not super tough going and draining. We all have healing and learning to do, but it still takes a while to process all the lingering feelings and the pain - and for your heart/ nervous system to catch up with your brain, and the clarity you have around the dynamic.
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Post by sunrisequest on Apr 29, 2022 4:42:08 GMT
Aww, yep, you hit the nail on the head!!!! Thanks so much for checking in deanna I really appreciate that. Yes, am doing all I can to process in a healthy way, but the truth is my nervous system is completely wired and I've been feeling quite fragile the last few days. Moving between journalling, meditating, calling my mum (who is amazing at just listening and validating) and catching up with friends. Feeling a healthy dose of shock still and my heart does feel very sore - I think mainly it's the breach of trust, and the disrespect that I just didn't expect from him. I'm not used to this type of behaviour from people who say they love me. I had a really difficult experience quite a few years ago with an abusive family member (my ex husband's family), which went on for quite a long time. I ended up experiencing some pretty major PTSD symptoms for a good year. My nervous system feels this week like it did for that entire year... so yeah, I'm struggling a bit. But trying to keep breathing and remembering that I have so many more tools to deal with anxiety and stress than I did then. I have been thinking a bit about the reason my ex would have posted a pic of himself and this girl a few hours after we broke up... it feels like such a toxic move on his behalf, but it occurred to me that he may have been feeling the need to persuade himself and his new love that he had moved on and that I was nothing to him... when the reality was he was telling me that he loved me and missed me only a couple of days before he met her. I doubt it would go down so well with his new lady if she knew the truth. It also explains the cold and harsh breakup call where he basically re-wrote the history of our relationship. I thought he had disassociated because of his attachment fear, but it seems more likely he was trying to persuade himself that he didn't feel that much love for me anyway. I don't buy it. I know that he did really love me. I could feel it. Far out, it's a process this breakup grief, isn't it?!?!
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Post by deanna on Apr 29, 2022 5:25:16 GMT
Ah sunrisequest, break ups always suck but the one you're dealing with has extra layers of crap to deal with, it is extra triggering. I am glad you have tools and a support system to help you (including your 'mum' - I wonder if you're Australian like I am), but it's all so fresh and you're left with this new development to wrestle with. Attachment issues or not, your ex has treated you shabbily and comes across as weak and irresponsible, to all parties concerned. When relationships end, especially when they end badly, it's tempting to rewrite history - e.g. the love was delusional, never real etc - but you felt it, and that's also why it hurts so much. It sounds like you know how to take care of yourself, and that will stand you in good stead ultimately, but for now maybe some unfiltered anger will also help you along. Take care, this is rough terrain.
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Post by sunrisequest on Apr 29, 2022 11:51:19 GMT
Yes, I'm an Aussie too! deanna Although none of my family live here sadly. Thank you so much, your kind words are like a balm in a shitty week. I feel relaxed and calm in this moment, and so I'm just appreciating that for what it is. I'm sure those moments will come more frequently. I know from your posts you're a music lover too, lots of that going on here to help try and shift the energy... although there was a few terrible days where I was playing Taylor Swift on repeat. I can't even stand her music. That was a low point!!! Ha ha.
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Post by deanna on May 1, 2022 5:19:59 GMT
I thought of you yesterday sunrisequest as a Taylor Swift break up song came on rage...whatever it takes, to help the process along. I predict soon enough you will look back and go 'oh dear, remember when I was so heartbroken over x that I flogged TS...gosh, that was a TIME wasn't it?' And it will be, as the increasing moments of calm foreshadow. That said, it does seem there's a lot more to get over with some break ups than others, so it makes sense you need to diversify your tools, including your playlist. Hang in there.
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Post by sunrisequest on May 19, 2022 12:09:23 GMT
Hmmmmm.... I heard from my ex this week. First time since we broke up (except for when he came to collect his things one day). It was just a couple of messages, about something very benign that he didn't really need to message me about at all. Then he said 'I'm in his thoughts' so he thought he'd check in, so I think that was the real reason for his message. And when I responded and said I guess that's how breakups go, thoughts don't necessarily go away straight away, he emphatically responded that no they definitely don't. I didn't respond beyond that but his messages really unsettled me.
After the way things ended, I didn't expect to hear from him at all. It's been almost two months and I'm quite sure (but not certain) he's been in a relationship with the girl he crossed over with for that time. So it's possible they've hit a stumbling block and this is his way of dealing with it. Or it could have been motivated by something else - maybe his ego needing to try and figure out if I still care, or some guilt surfacing for the way he treated me.
I luckily had a counselling session already booked in so I feel like I've been able to steady my resolve to not even slightly entertain letting him back into my life. Not that he's trying at the moment, but if it happens again, I know I'll have to make a boundary and ask him not to contact me again... he doesn't even know that I'm aware of the fact he crossed over to another relationship when he was still technically with me, and I have no intention of discussing any of the past with him now, I see that as being a futile exercise. But I did want to keep things somewhat amicable because we do live in the same community and do have some mutual friends.
It's just annoying.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2022 2:33:15 GMT
Hmmmmm.... I heard from my ex this week. First time since we broke up (except for when he came to collect his things one day). It was just a couple of messages, about something very benign that he didn't really need to message me about at all. Then he said 'I'm in his thoughts' so he thought he'd check in, so I think that was the real reason for his message. And when I responded and said I guess that's how breakups go, thoughts don't necessarily go away straight away, he emphatically responded that no they definitely don't. I didn't respond beyond that but his messages really unsettled me. After the way things ended, I didn't expect to hear from him at all. It's been almost two months and I'm quite sure (but not certain) he's been in a relationship with the girl he crossed over with for that time. So it's possible they've hit a stumbling block and this is his way of dealing with it. Or it could have been motivated by something else - maybe his ego needing to try and figure out if I still care, or some guilt surfacing for the way he treated me. I luckily had a counselling session already booked in so I feel like I've been able to steady my resolve to not even slightly entertain letting him back into my life. Not that he's trying at the moment, but if it happens again, I know I'll have to make a boundary and ask him not to contact me again... he doesn't even know that I'm aware of the fact he crossed over to another relationship when he was still technically with me, and I have no intention of discussing any of the past with him now, I see that as being a futile exercise. But I did want to keep things somewhat amicable because we do live in the same community and do have some mutual friends. It's just annoying. You sound good though! I'm glad you're continuing with therapy to support your process getting through this and looking toward your future, healthier without him in it. It does suck that he contacted you. I feel that a clean break is the only way to really break, and that engaging in contact just gets messy. I've been there before too, and it's just a time and energy waster. Mindf*ckery. But good on you that you know you need boundaries and that you know better than to revisit the past with him. It would only slow you down on your way to peace and freedom.
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