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Post by esperanta on Nov 2, 2023 12:17:29 GMT
Hello everyone! I am so relieved I found this forum, I didn't know places like this existed on the internet (at least not in my country) Just for some background info, English is not my native language, so please excuse any spelling/grammar mistakes. I really hope you guys can give me some advice or input, as I find myself in a pretty difficult situation and don't know what to do. I am in my early 30s and only really learned about the concept of attachment styles about 4 years ago when I got together with my current partner, who leans more towards the avoidant side. I always knew that my behavior in relationships wasn't "normal", but finally had a name for it: I was anxiously attached. After years of trying to change my patterns on my own (which wasn't very successful) I finally decided to seek help from a therapist to overcome my fears of abandonment and rejection. On the whole, I believe I've made a lot of progress over the past couple of years, becoming more emotionally secure and handling being alone much better than before. Our relationship improved as well, and I was really starting to hope that we could make it work. Then we went through a period of separation a few months ago, and ever since then, things got worse again. I broke up with my boyfriend because he started pushing for having children. While I got used to our anxious-avoidant dynamic, I just couldn't see us as parents. We don't live together, he needs a lot of space and time to himself, and there are still those moments where he becomes completely distant and cold. On the other side, I don't feel secure enough or ready yet to become a mother, also because I am afraid that I'd be the one solely responsible for raising the children. When I addressed all these concerns, he persuaded me to come back with lots of empty promises, but I am not sure I made the right choice in getting back together. Ever since then, he started traveling for work quite frequently (not the usual dull client meetings, but pretty cool events that he attends where people party and socialize a lot), sometimes working 2 weeks in a row plus on the weekends. Just to clarify, he's not forced to attend these events, it's more of a nice "goodie" his company offers. We haven't been seeing each other much, and I feel like all the work I have been doing in the past years has been for nothing – I get really anxious and depressed when he's gone, and can't shake off that image of me sitting alone at home with a baby while he's out traveling and enjoying his life. I am not even sure what kind of advice I am seeking from you guys, but my therapist is currently on vacation for a month, so I can't reach out to him. I am scared of breaking up again because I know how much it hurt last time, but I am also not happy with the situation anymore. Thank you and sorry if this story is all a bit confusing. E.
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Post by anne12 on Nov 2, 2023 14:08:32 GMT
jebkinnisonforum.com/post/33550/You can Make your own lovevision It is also important as an ap to make your own selflove vision Both of you can make a love vision and Then find out if you want the same things Why did you brake up ? - Because he wanted a child or because he is away from you or what ? Was it a protest behavior that made you brake up or ? For how long have you been together ? Have you communicated how you are feeling / about what’s going on ? He is avoidant and he is on a mission and he is a man which can make him being in a “hunting mode”, having singular focus. As an ap you can forget about yourself You have to ask yourself “what about me, what do I want and need” and you have to communicate Do you have very different love languages ? (Undivided attention / spending time together is often important to aps) It is recommended that you share at least one top love language. Maybe you are just not meant for each other … Speaking up, asking if you can have a conversation about it (there is a tip on how to ask your partner for a conversation) In general women are already carrying the mental load in relationships which men are not always aware of, having a baby together can make it worse. New mothers needs a lot of support and care. jebkinnisonforum.com/post/40620/ - the mental load www.mamamia.com.au/kate-ritchie-maggie-dent-mental-load/omny.fm/shows/no-filter/laura-byrne-and-matty-j?in_playlist=podcastjebkinnisonforum.com/thread/2289/tips-create-lasting-juicy-relationship
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Post by alexandra on Nov 2, 2023 15:52:47 GMT
If it makes you feel better, it doesn't sound to me like the work was wasted time at all. You're extremely aware of the situation and dynamic and have made some really good decisions so far (not bringing children into an unstable situation). Getting back together wasn't necessarily a bad decision, as you got to see things through and find spots you're still working on. It sounds like you learned a lot from being together again, and it's made you think hard about what you actually want. Dating and relationships (prior to very serious commitment) are supposed to do just that, help you explore what you want and if the person you're with is the right partner for you.
One big thing to consider is this: in the past, you've been depressed and anxious being away from him due to the anxious attachment. So now that you are feeling badly again, you're assuming it's still your own anxiety speaking, your fear of abandonment, feeling the pull of avoidance, and all the things you were trying to work through on your side. However, I think this time around your anxiety is telling you something different and it is NOT due to anxious attachment. It is actually telling you that the situation is making you unhappy for a concrete reason, not due to past trauma getting projected, and that staying in a situation in which you have real doubts is creating anxiety that you are abandoning yourself this time. But with all that work you've done and increased self-esteem and security, you no longer feel okay with pushing all your own needs away to avoid a breakup and disconnection. You want to do what's right for yourself, but you're scared because it's scary for APs to leave relationships.
While it sounds to me like this relationship has run its course and you've outgrown it, it's up to you if you are willing to break up with him or not. Similar to anne's suggestion, write down what you want in life at this point. For example, do you ever want to have kids? If so, it doesn't sound like you want to have them with him, in which case, is staying with him going to help you meet your goals? Or are you comfortable never having children? Things like that, which will help you decide if staying with him is a short term bandaid to avoid breakup pain but will lead to more and more unhappiness as time goes on, in which case you should rip off the bandaid, mourn the relationship, process your emotions instead of getting stuck in them like last time when you were unaware AP without the tools from therapy, and open yourself up for the partner you truly want.
Most importantly, listen to your instincts about your concerns with him being a parent. It is REALLY important to choose the right partner to help you with all the responsibility, if you are aware and in a position to do so. Having someone who won't be in your corner is going to make your life a lot more difficult. There are men out there who are looking forward to being dads and will put in the effort to be part of a strong support system to raise a kid. If you don't trust that he will step up, that's a really, really good reason for a relationship to not work out. Because whether you even decide you want kids or not, a relationship in which you feel you don't or can't trust your partner in some way isn't healthy or safe.
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Post by esperanta on Nov 2, 2023 16:38:04 GMT
Hi Anne, thank you for getting back to me I will look into the lovevision link you shared, it sounds really inspiring and I think this is work I have never really done before. You asked why I broke up, it wasn't protest behavior, but because I felt under a lot of pressure from him at the time. I just started a new career path, I have to care for my aging father, I have a dog to look after, and I just don't have the capacities to think about children on top of everything. Especially because there is this intense gut feeling that I'd be the one doing most of the work. We discussed all of this, and as I wrote, he came back to me with a lot of empty promises (we can take our time, we take some time off together, go traveling etc.). Maybe we are not meant for each other after all.
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Post by anne12 on Nov 4, 2023 9:15:58 GMT
I am wondering what type of man do you really want / need / think you deserve deep down ?
A more masculine or a more feminine leaning man ?
Of course it also depends if you in your core are more feminine or more masculine leaning
If you want a more masculine leaning man who wants to provide, then it is recommended that you learn how to receive as a woman. He can have a mix of maybe 20 % feminine and 80 % masculine energy ?
Aps gets in contact with their wounds from childhood, when they have to receive.
Also a lot of women needs to be in their masculine energy in todays society/ at work ect. which sometimes can make it challenging to switch into her more feminine energy after work / in her relationship with a man
You are also already taking care of your dad, which makes me think it would be nice to have a supportive partner, if you dare to let a man in and support you ?!
How would it feel to you/in your body if a man said to you: “I can see that you are under a lot of stress. It’s okay. You can lean on me. Will you let me be your rock and let me support you and take care of you right now ?” You can try to notice/track your body sensations …and see what comes up…
Also being under a lot of stress, can make difficult to let love in, because you are in survival mode
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Post by anne12 on Nov 4, 2023 10:34:15 GMT
More about ap and recieving/ breaking up (yes, they CAN leave a relationship) When aps have to recieve, their NO can come up alexandra (I am tagging you because you write, that it can be difficult for aps to leave a relationship - yes sometimes but not always) “When do the ambivalent typically leave a relationship: Typically after 3 months, 2 or 3 years, 5 years, 10 years. When the other person has become fully avaliable. E.g. When their partner say “I love you” when moving in together, when buying a House together, when getting married, when having children ect. Diane Poole Heller says: Their signal cry is turned to much on. Corrective Experiences for this attachment style include reetablishing a felt sense of consistency and the ability to receive love and caring when these essential qualities are actually present. “I want and yearn for love and connection but cannot have it.” The basic personal identity is formed around that idea —the “parent--‐patterned” experience that “I can want, but cannot have”. This can result in yet another dilemma that it is critical for the Anxiously attached person to realize: If and when love actually presents itself, they often need to create distance themselves or dismiss the love in order to keep this original identification intact. They then create their own worst nightmare by never being available to receive the love they so actively seek because, paradoxically and predictably, it has to be rejected or deflected for selfidentity to remain intact. (The attatchmentsystem kicks in after 1-2 years, when the partner is being precieved as permanent - at this time is when ambivalents can stop/ sabotage the relationsship. To recive takes them into the abandoment. They think, when they get love, it is not going to last (because of what happend is the past). The mark for leaving is often after 2 years of relationship…” ”Another relevant exercise is to have the client look at all the ways people in their lives try to show them love. The Five Languages of Love is a good reference. Have the person see if they dismiss or minimalize others’ love for them. It is helpful to point out how painful it may be for their partners or friends to have the love they offer deflected. I had that happen in my own life when my partner said how much he loved me and how much it hurt him that I could not seem to take it in. I initially felt insulted and was certain that he was wrong—until I took an honest look at myself and realized I did not feel deserving of love, and was determined to believe that his love could not be true. - Diane Poole Heller” jebkinnisonforum.com/thread/1072/healing-anxious-ambivalent-attatchment-tricks
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Post by esperanta on Nov 4, 2023 12:32:32 GMT
How would it feel to you/in your body if a man said to you: “I can see that you are under a lot of stress. It’s okay. You can lean on me. Will you let me be your rock and let me support you and take care of you right now ?” You can try to notice/track your body sensations …and see what comes up… Also being under a lot of stress, can make difficult to let love in, because you are in survival mode Reading these lines actually made me cry. This is basically one of my deepest longings and why I also started working with a male therapist who can (at least to some extent) provide this masculine "I am here, this is a safe space, you are allowed to just be yourself" energy which I have never experienced in my life (very early divorce of my parents, a stepfather who didn't particularly like me and vice versa). I am used to women being the ones I can lean onto in hard times, but never men. My partner has a strong feminine side which he likes to suppress though, he grew up in a belief system where men are not allowed to cry, always need to be hard on themselves and others, talking about feelings is considered wrong and weird etc.
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Post by anne12 on Nov 4, 2023 13:05:27 GMT
According to an attachment, se, therapist/ love vita coach, people with insecure attachment styles also have to work with their feminine / masculine energy because they often didn’t have healthy role models in their parents / family / society Also the patriarchy still exists in many countries What did your mother teach you about what it means being a woman ? What did your dad / your stepdad show you about what it means being a man ? How was the interaction between your mother and your father / your mother and your stepdad? The healthy masculine wants to provide for you and take care of you a masculine man likes to be able to provide for you if he is masculine leaning your feminine will be valuable to him you are valuable as a women to just radiate with your feminine pressence the masculine leads direction and the feminine leads depth and intimacy the feminine is not totally passive but she can tell what it is that she wants and needs There are a lot of posts about feminine / masculine energy in the general discussion Forum There is the false masculine and the false feminine And the healthy masculine and the healthy feminine What is a masculine leaning man - jebkinnisonforum.com/post/38444/“What is a masculine man and how am I in my feminine energy? A man who is in his masculine energy is not necessarily the prototype of a so-called ‘masculine’ man. So if you are thinking big muscles or a silent man who can not accommodate either yours or his own feelings, then it is not a man who is in his masculine energy. Even if he LOOKS LIKE a masculine man. A masculine man wants to give. The masculine energy is first and foremost rewarding. The vast majority of men wants to give to the woman they have chosen. Yes, they often want to give to many women. I'm not talking about being unfaithful, but they might be holding the door for women, showing care for an elderly woman, who can't find her purse at the supermarket, helping a colleague make her internet work, or getting something fixed in his girlfriends home. If a man does not feel that he can help or contribute with anything, he easily loses the meaning of staying in a relationship, and then he will withdraw emotionally or choose to leave the woman, because there is no need for him. So giving is simply fundamental to his self-esteem. Therefore, he fits with a woman who is in her feminine energy, which is the receiving energy....”
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Post by esperanta on Nov 4, 2023 15:07:22 GMT
What is a masculine leaning man - jebkinnisonforum.com/post/38444/“What is a masculine man and how am I in my feminine energy? A man who is in his masculine energy is not necessarily the prototype of a so-called ‘masculine’ man. So if you are thinking big muscles or a silent man who can not accommodate either yours or his own feelings, then it is not a man who is in his masculine energy. Even if he LOOKS LIKE a masculine man. A masculine man wants to give. The masculine energy is first and foremost rewarding. The vast majority of men wants to give to the woman they have chosen. Yes, they often want to give to many women. I'm not talking about being unfaithful, but they might be holding the door for women, showing care for an elderly woman, who can't find her purse at the supermarket, helping a colleague make her internet work, or getting something fixed in his girlfriends home. If a man does not feel that he can help or contribute with anything, he easily loses the meaning of staying in a relationship, and then he will withdraw emotionally or choose to leave the woman, because there is no need for him. So giving is simply fundamental to his self-esteem. Therefore, he fits with a woman who is in her feminine energy, which is the receiving energy....” Thank you for all the helpful links and threads. I am just reading through everything, and it makes a lot of sense to me (or fits my current situation).
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Post by anne12 on Nov 7, 2023 10:27:29 GMT
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Post by anne12 on Nov 7, 2023 11:01:36 GMT
Thread about how to listen to your intuition esperantajebkinnisonforum.com/thread/1970/intuitionThere are 3 types of intuition: Your bodily intuition: Your bodily intuition is the part that we call our belly sensation/the gut. But the body has no language. Our body senses. We read other people and the outside world with our body. We enter a meeting room and sense a mood. We listen to others and sense if they do not speak the true. The most basic tool is to know your "yes" and your "no" in the body. The first is your truth signal, your "yes". It is your body that tells you that this is the right choice. When the body says "yes" you will typically experience it as a sense of expansion in the body. Your chest opens up. You straighten your body. You can experience chills in different places on the body. Your body feels lighter and full of energy. When you notice your body's "yes" reactions, you will begin to feel feelings, such as joy, curiosity, security, calmness and serenity. You can feel something is the right decision because it feels good, calm and safe. The second signal is your warning signal. It's your body that says "no". You can feel that your system is contracting. Your body collapses a little. The stomach contracts. Often, a no feeling is empty. Your bodily intuition tells you that this is not the right solution. The more you notice your body's signals, the easier it will be for you to make the right decisions. Many of us have been accustomed to ignoring our body signals. We have learned to base important decisions solely on logic. In fact, listening to what the body tells you is far more sustainable and strategically wise. Your cognitive intuition Our brains have two sides, the left and the right half. In our society, we have been brought up to primarily use our left brain. It is the part of the brain that thinks logically and rationally. It is really good at solving problems. To weigh for and against. To think things through an extra time. You use your left brain when you solve problems, write to-do lists or research on the Internet. For most of us there is a non-stop inner dialogue from we wake up until we fall asleep at night. It is the left hemisphere that is active. Our cognitive intuition is primarily located in the right hemisphere. Our right brain half perceives and processes emotions, sensations, music and art. Right brain half thinks holistically and creatively, but it is without language. Right brain half communicates in pictures, in visions and music. The right hemisphere typically presents us with a solid solution. If you want a greater access to your overall potential, then you must consciously learn to draw on both the right and left brain. A simple exercise is to take a piece of paper and write down a problem that you would like a solution to. Your left hemisphere job is to take notes that come from your right hemisphere. The most important thing is that, without judging, you write down everything that comes to you. Try it and you'll be surprised at what answers you get. Your emotional intuition Our heart is an important tool for strengthening our intuition. At the HeartMath Institute, scientists have found a concept that they call heart coherence - which means "to be logical, coherent, consistent and understandable". When there are similarities between our three intuitive systems: body, brain and heart, we experience heart coherence. Heart coherence activates feelings of calm, coherence, attachment to others and security. You can train your ability to experience heart coherence. …..
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Post by esperanta on Nov 8, 2023 17:40:42 GMT
Hello again! And thank you Anne for all your valuable input, I tried one of the techniques mentioned in your links (I think it was called water tank) plus envisioning the relationship I want for my future self, and it felt really empowering!
Just a quick update: My partner and I had a serious conversation about our relationship after my first post on this forum. There was a lot of blame involved from his side, many reasons why he felt that I was the one responsible for our issues and that he didn't think we were compatible. When I then asked him why he couldn’t just accept my breakup a few months ago, he didn’t give me an answer. Nothing was resolved during this conversation, he just said something along the lines of: "you need to figure out if you can make things work between us or not," which honestly felt like he was dumping all the responsibility on me (again).
What I also noticed was that his phone vibrated a few times while we talked, and he shielded the display from my view when checking it. Perhaps I'm overthinking this, but this behavior was quite unusual for him.
Next day I received a message saying that he needed space for a couple of days, so I didn’t reach out to him again. It's been almost a week now with no contact.
It’s not the first time that he goes radio silent for days after a disagreement/argument, but I think our relationship has reached a point where it’s become unhealthy and destructive. I feel very hurt and upset, but I will not pursue him or try to get in contact again. If this is the way he wants to break up (by ghosting me), I’ll just let it go. I'm done.
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Post by mrob on Nov 9, 2023 6:56:31 GMT
It sounds like he does not have the testicular fortitude to do the job and end it. You have agency here as well, and can choose to end it. It doesn’t mean he gets off scot free, he will continue with his insecure attachment style for years (or in my case decades) aimlessly wandering through peoples lives. You, on the other hand, are looking to change so this doesn’t happen again.
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Post by cherrycola on Nov 9, 2023 16:39:22 GMT
Hello again! And thank you Anne for all your valuable input, I tried one of the techniques mentioned in your links (I think it was called water tank) plus envisioning the relationship I want for my future self, and it felt really empowering! Just a quick update: My partner and I had a serious conversation about our relationship after my first post on this forum. There was a lot of blame involved from his side, many reasons why he felt that I was the one responsible for our issues and that he didn't think we were compatible. When I then asked him why he couldn’t just accept my breakup a few months ago, he didn’t give me an answer. Nothing was resolved during this conversation, he just said something along the lines of: "you need to figure out if you can make things work between us or not," which honestly felt like he was dumping all the responsibility on me (again). I agree with Mrob. I've had someone use that line on me "I don't think we are compatible" and I now wish my response was you are right we are not. I know view it as a manipulation technique. the person wants to you to bend over backwards and change who you are to make things work rather than changing their behavior or ending things. Any healthy secure person if they came to that after self reflection would end the relationship. I wouldn't let him get away with ghosting, I would close the door myself. You are worthy of someone who can self reflect and see their part in conflicts.
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Post by anne12 on Nov 10, 2023 10:47:03 GMT
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