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Post by kristyrose on Feb 13, 2018 0:36:20 GMT
i shared these thoughts with another hurting AP in a message, it will be easy for me to copy past and show you what i mean. i will be at a computer shortly where that will be easier. so i will be back in just a little bit. Ok! Whenever you get a chance, thank you. appreciate the feedback!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 0:40:49 GMT
here is what a shared in the message, and maybe it will be a helpful perspective. This is what i discovered at some point on my path, this is how my love for myself showed itself to me, when i realized these things. I just was mistaken, i misunderstood myself.
here it is: you are so sad you don’t realize that your sadness is only because you have a deep respect and tenderness for your own heart. you’ve only been trained to deny it. i will try to help you recognize how much you love yourself. your love for yourself is already there, or else why would you care if she/he hurts you? if you didn’t love yourself, why would you let me know you are crying? you love yourself so much you are being your own friend and hero to find another person to help you. if you didn’t love yourself, you would abandon yourself when you are in pain but you look for ways to soothe. you just look and find the wrong things. but you do your best. that is love. if you don’t do something well, it doesn’t mean you are not sincere. your tender regard for yourself is obvious to me. i am a stranger. you’ve only learned some bad habits when it comes to expressing it and nurturing it. this will make sense at some point if it doesn’t now. you don’t need to come up with love that isn’t there, you need to recognize the love you already have.
and why would you love yourself as much as you obviously do, if you don’t also know you are worthy? you know all these things. you just are mistaken about them. it’s a simple misunderstanding.. it will take time but i promise if you don’t believe it now you will eventually. you love yourself enough to even be patient and keep trying when you feel so much pain you are in agony. you actually love yourself very very much.
you know you are worthy and that is why you never want to be hurt like that again. if you didn’t know you were worthy, you would never look for love at all. you know you are worthy, and that’s why you came to these boards. you know your voice matters, you know you pain matters enough to share it. you are advocating for yourself because you know you are worthy. You know you are worthy and so you cry. if you didn’t know you are worthy, you would hope it all happens again, you would wish yourself harm. you might speak to yourself in unloving terms , that’s just a bad habit, a learned habit, a habit that bruises and confuses you. you love yourself and that’s why you love others. you know they are worthy. you know they are worthy of a beautiful gift you can give them, and that gift is you, yourself. And so you give the best gift you have. You give yourself. you’re just confused. you have been conditioned by other people , your parents, society, your partners, who also did not know they love themselves. they were also confused. it may sound crazy, but it is not. the idea that you do not love yourself, or think you are worthy, that is the crazy idea. of course you do. we express our love for ourself in what we choose. you are trying to choose love. you are not trying to choose hate, or indifference, or cruelty. you simply do not have insight into how to choose well. how could you? you weren’t taught, because people didn’t know.
this is simple and profound and hope begins the moment you see how much you already know your worth, you already love yourself.
did you ever feel proud of an accomplishment? of course. because you love yourself.
it goes on and on. look and see every thing you do because you do love yourself. it will give you the courage you need to get better at loving yourself WELL.
there is nothing more true or more persistent than the love you already have.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 0:46:41 GMT
it was when i saw it this way, spontaneously, that i made a promise to do everything i could to learn how to love myself more skillfully and make the best decisions i could. and i promised i would just keep trying because i matter that much to me.
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Post by kristyrose on Feb 13, 2018 0:47:38 GMT
this made me cry, in a good way of course :-)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 1:00:41 GMT
this made me cry, in a good way of course :-) because you love yourself more than you understand, at least that is what i see.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 1:03:30 GMT
trusting yourself to learn how to love yourself well, takes time. but you have time and the most faithful friend available in yourself. i think you should just keep being brave and listen to yourself more, not less. just allow a shift in your misunderstanding, it is simple but not easy. i believe this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 1:03:38 GMT
tgat, that makes a lot of sense. Perhaps it's not needing to love yourself more. It's learning the skills to protect yourself and love another at the same time? I just wonder when a relationship becomes so toxic, how much is it even about love?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 1:08:41 GMT
tgat, that makes a lot of sense. Perhaps it's not needing to love yourself more. It's learning the skills to protect yourself and love another at the same time? I just wonder when a relationship becomes so toxic, how much is it even about love? i would say the point of the relationship becomes moot once you realize you thought you needed it to do something it can’t do. dont overthink that part. maybe just take some time to feel the love for yourself. when i felt mine for the first time it made me cry and i felt proud that i could be so courageous even though i wasn’t skillful. i sure was trying hard and that made me feel good. nothing else mattered to me as much as that and i never got abused again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 1:15:48 GMT
tgat, that makes a lot of sense. Perhaps it's not needing to love yourself more. It's learning the skills to protect yourself and love another at the same time? I just wonder when a relationship becomes so toxic, how much is it even about love? and i do agree with you. it’s all about misunderstandings and unskillful attempts is all.
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Post by alpenglow on Feb 13, 2018 15:26:52 GMT
Take into account that many (if not all) APs think lowly of ourselves, low self esteem. This can totally be changed, but it takes awareness and work. While still in an insecure place, we dont see our value, and therefore assume people wont see it either. Which is totally wrong, because people do value us. Therefore, we tend to fall into desperation as in "I wont find anybody else who loves me because I am unlovable" or "this was my only shot for happiness"... these may sound a bit exaggerated but I am trying to make a point. This pessimistic view of the future triggers more anxiety, and we try to get the ex back as a last resource. When the ex refuses or rejects us again, the powerlessness we have over the situation creates anger, and we blame the ex partner for being a villain. It takes time to gain awareness about the break up because in the first stages anger and anxiety are clouding our understanding. These are my two cents to answer your post, since I have behaved as an AP in some break ups. Very interesting topic as usual! I second every description here, especially the one written by comeheregoaway. It doesn't even sound exaggerated to me, this is truly how I feel when I get rejected and my abandonment issues come to the surface. It sounds extreme, but it's a very very painful place to be. It's very deep and intense....probably the worst feeling I know of. Thanks a lot for the long message you wrote, tgat, about what you would say to a person suffering from this. This is definitely something I'm going to keep to try and remind myself of my worth and capacity to love and be loved! This is gold.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 16:06:35 GMT
Take into account that many (if not all) APs think lowly of ourselves, low self esteem. This can totally be changed, but it takes awareness and work. While still in an insecure place, we dont see our value, and therefore assume people wont see it either. Which is totally wrong, because people do value us. Therefore, we tend to fall into desperation as in "I wont find anybody else who loves me because I am unlovable" or "this was my only shot for happiness"... these may sound a bit exaggerated but I am trying to make a point. This pessimistic view of the future triggers more anxiety, and we try to get the ex back as a last resource. When the ex refuses or rejects us again, the powerlessness we have over the situation creates anger, and we blame the ex partner for being a villain. It takes time to gain awareness about the break up because in the first stages anger and anxiety are clouding our understanding. These are my two cents to answer your post, since I have behaved as an AP in some break ups. Very interesting topic as usual! I second every description here, especially the one written by comeheregoaway. It doesn't even sound exaggerated to me, this is truly how I feel when I get rejected and my abandonment issues come to the surface. It sounds extreme, but it's a very very painful place to be. It's very deep and intense....probably the worst feeling I know of. Thanks a lot for the long message you wrote, tgat, about what you would say to a person suffering from this. This is definitely something I'm going to keep to try and remind myself of my worth and capacity to love and be loved! This is gold. i am so glad it spoke to you, alpenglow! i believe that we should be reminding ourselves and each other of these things more than we are reinforcing old and false beliefs. to make this grow you have to give it attention and prioritize it. feed the love instead of the rehashing that invalidates you. turn your attention to your love for you, instead of the rejection you misunderstand and internalize. internalize your goodness instead of your unworthiness. i think it is difficult to correct a deep misunderstanding like this and requires more diligence than has been given to reinforcing the misunderstanding. that has been my experience. it takes training, and good training partners. very happy we all have found our way here, from both ends of the spectrum.
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Post by alpenglow on Feb 13, 2018 19:27:12 GMT
What you are saying is very true. It is about giving less attention to the negative and more to the positive. Of course it's not as easy as it sounds, and this is not the only method to make things better, but it's definitely one important tool. Some therapists emphasize the fact that self-love among people like AP's is not exactly lacking, that it is there to begin with, like for everyone else, but that it is somehow buried deep down and inhibited by all the negative self-talk. So it is truly about nourishing that little flame that would like to shine brighter inside our heart (I'm getting poetic now...). Regarding the misunderstanding, I came across the same concept very recently. I don't know if any of you have gotten those ads on Facebook recently about Artie Wu from Preside Meditation. I bought his 25 USD package with a series of audio files. One session was very interesting, precisely about this concept of original misunderstanding, during our childhood. For APs (perhaps for avoidants as well?), we learned very early on that love was conditional. I will only receive love IF. If I do this, if I do that....But this is actually a misunderstanding. Our parents did love us somehow. Even if they treated us badly. I still have a hard time accepting this but I am getting there. But because of their own attachment issues, their love for us was perceived by us as being conditional. The guy's point was that our parents would still love us even if we didn't do the things that we thought we had to do in order to be loved in return. Hence the misunderstanding. This is what we need to learn to differentiate. Also happy to have found my way here
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 19:52:32 GMT
i wrote a poem a couple of years ago to put into words how i experienced the making and breaking and reinventing of myself.
The words “love that needs reasons “ is in there.
i didn’t know about attachment theory at that point but i read my poem recently and it is such a picture of how i relied on my inner sanctum to thrive!!
i refer to my-
chest full of seeds known only to me thieves pried my ribs but could not reach i hide them where i go to breathe i have a chest full of seeds
somehow i always thought it was there but even i couldn’t open it for a long time.
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Post by alpenglow on Feb 13, 2018 20:04:23 GMT
Nice poem! And quite insightful at a time you didn't know about attachment theory! It is there somewhere inside us, but often silenced. We need to find it, and let it be heard, let is take the space it needs for it to thrive and grow.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 20:09:17 GMT
What you are saying is very true. It is about giving less attention to the negative and more to the positive. Of course it's not as easy as it sounds, and this is not the only method to make things better, but it's definitely one important tool. Some therapists emphasize the fact that self-love among people like AP's is not exactly lacking, that it is there to begin with, like for everyone else, but that it is somehow buried deep down and inhibited by all the negative self-talk. So it is truly about nourishing that little flame that would like to shine brighter inside our heart (I'm getting poetic now...). Regarding the misunderstanding, I came across the same concept very recently. I don't know if any of you have gotten those ads on Facebook recently about Artie Wu from Preside Meditation. I bought his 25 USD package with a series of audio files. One session was very interesting, precisely about this concept of original misunderstanding, during our childhood. For APs (perhaps for avoidants as well?), we learned very early on that love was conditional. I will only receive love IF. If I do this, if I do that....But this is actually a misunderstanding. Our parents did love us somehow. Even if they treated us badly. I still have a hard time accepting this but I am getting there. But because of their own attachment issues, their love for us was perceived by us as being conditional. The guy's point was that our parents would still love us even if we didn't do the things that we thought we had to do in order to be loved in return. Hence the misunderstanding. This is what we need to learn to differentiate. Also happy to have found my way here This concept is different for me. I have been bound my whole life by the belief that my parents loved me despite the abuse. I was bound to believing that was what love was. That is how I experienced love because that's what I received as a child, therefore I chose people that "loved" me in this way which is not love at all. It was only recently that I was released from this (through therapy) by the realization that my parents did not love me, did not care for me. This was validated for me and I am now released to see that it's not love. Love is something I didn't get or experience growing up. Now I am free to find out what love really is and it will be a brand new (better) experience for me. No idea if this is about avoidance. It's just my own experience of growing awareness and newfound freedom.
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