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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 0:01:33 GMT
Oh Definitely. He has made lots and lots of hurtful jokes in the past, not this bad, but I'm sure they wouldn't have been tolerated by other people. I didn't "feel" them for so long until one day it did hit me. It was like they had to build up for me to notice or I just avoided it. But this one hit me hard. I'm also mad at myself for letting it go on this long. It's like it had to punch me in the face before I realized this is wrong. Mary - I can relate to this - please don't be mad at yourself - we have all built these behaviour patterns as self protection and the tolerance is just part of that. I have sometimes felt that the world could literally explode all around me and I would carry on looking just fine. Same with my relationship, the little hurts built up again and again and again until the straw that broke the camels back. Funny that so often as avoidants we are vilified for hurting others but we endure with real fortitude such a huge amount of hurt - but it doesn't show, it just leaves scars inside at least I think it does. Sometimes there is such a time delay in my actually feeling things that it is difficult to tell but I think from experience, most hurts come out some way down the line. So true. It's a blessing and a curse. I know I look "fine" even when shit hits the fan. I know it's why so many people rely on me, but who can we rely on? It often seems there is no one that can be my rock. Too many people crumble when you need them most.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 12:28:21 GMT
It hit me this morning. This whole time, I have been trying to figure out why he did what he did. All the things he did to try and belittle me, pressure me, and push me. It was all about him wanting "power" in the relationship. It finally all makes sense and it makes me want to vomit.
I am posting this in hopes it will help others figure some things out. Power in relationships is just something I don't think about, so I didn't see it. "Power" is an illusion, there's no such thing in relationships. Each has the power to walk away. Don't get sucked in on either side of the illusion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 14:54:45 GMT
It hit me this morning. This whole time, I have been trying to figure out why he did what he did. All the things he did to try and belittle me, pressure me, and push me. It was all about him wanting "power" in the relationship. It finally all makes sense and it makes me want to vomit. I am posting this in hopes it will help others figure some things out. Power in relationships is just something I don't think about, so I didn't see it. "Power" is an illusion, there's no such thing in relationships. Each has the power to walk away. Don't get sucked in on either side of the illusion. yes! been there done that. good for you mary. this is all growth. thanks for sharing this. what a doozy, ouch, but glad you see what happened. the confusion , to me , is the hard part. once i see the reality i know how to move forward. it's liberating even if painful. the truth does set you free. we have to refine our perceptions with time and experience and self investigation, having not learned what healthy loving relationships look and feel like in our families of origin. it's a tall order to learn all this but we certainly can. it's progress. good for you. i'm sorry things turned out badly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 15:57:23 GMT
It hit me this morning. This whole time, I have been trying to figure out why he did what he did. All the things he did to try and belittle me, pressure me, and push me. It was all about him wanting "power" in the relationship. It finally all makes sense and it makes me want to vomit. I am posting this in hopes it will help others figure some things out. Power in relationships is just something I don't think about, so I didn't see it. "Power" is an illusion, there's no such thing in relationships. Each has the power to walk away. Don't get sucked in on either side of the illusion. yes! been there done that. good for you mary. this is all growth. thanks for sharing this. what a doozy, ouch, but glad you see what happened. the confusion , to me , is the hard part. once i see the reality i know how to move forward. it's liberating even if painful. the truth does set you free. we have to refine our perceptions with time and experience and self investigation, having not learned what healthy loving relationships look and feel like in our families of origin. it's a tall order to learn all this but we certainly can. it's progress. good for you. i'm sorry things turned out badly. Yes! It was so confusing. I couldn't understand why he does those things and I don't think he knows why he does either, but that's for him to figure out. It is liberating and I learned so much! Thank you for your support This forum is sooooooo helpful.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 16:09:10 GMT
@mary, i can see that this forum will be helpful to me also to improve some of my habits.
as far as understanding the why- in my case this was helpful with my partner because he is not abusive. he is not skillful at empathy as an automatic response but he is indeed kind and supportive.
so understanding can provide the opportunity to grow together, or grow APART, grow AWAY, lol!
when there are power plays in a relationship it's all about ego, not love. of course you know that. i have had a hard time in my life recognizing abuse for what it was, but the love i have in my life now teaches me and my instinctive reaction to love is peace and a feeling of value. so that is how i differentiate now. i have to know what love feels like in my body without trying to reason it out much. my reasoning left me in a tight spot most of my life because my thinking and understanding was skewed.
by my feelings have been a good guide. not that i always feel something objectively lo- it's not that feelings are facts. but when i listen to my heart i do better than relying on pure rationale.
don't know if this makes sense to anyone but me. but i do know that love doesn't hurt.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 18:32:55 GMT
@mary , i can see that this forum will be helpful to me also to improve some of my habits. as far as understanding the why- in my case this was helpful with my partner because he is not abusive. he is not skillful at empathy as an automatic response but he is indeed kind and supportive. so understanding can provide the opportunity to grow together, or grow APART, grow AWAY, lol! when there are power plays in a relationship it's all about ego, not love. of course you know that. i have had a hard time in my life recognizing abuse for what it was, but the love i have in my life now teaches me and my instinctive reaction to love is peace and a feeling of value. so that is how i differentiate now. i have to know what love feels like in my body without trying to reason it out much. my reasoning left me in a tight spot most of my life because my thinking and understanding was skewed. by my feelings have been a good guide. not that i always feel something objectively lo- it's not that feelings are facts. but when i listen to my heart i do better than relying on pure rationale. don't know if this makes sense to anyone but me. but i do know that love doesn't hurt. Yes, my ex is so insecure, he tried to keep beating me down. It's so easy to see now, but I was blind to it. I think since it wasn't effecting me, he had to "up the ante". Yes, I would have seen it sooner if I had feelings as my guide. I'm working on that. We need both logic and emotions to make the best decisions. I can totally see now that he loved my like pizza, not a person. I am so glad you are making strides in this area. I have a lot of work to do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 19:13:07 GMT
@mary , i can see that this forum will be helpful to me also to improve some of my habits. as far as understanding the why- in my case this was helpful with my partner because he is not abusive. he is not skillful at empathy as an automatic response but he is indeed kind and supportive. so understanding can provide the opportunity to grow together, or grow APART, grow AWAY, lol! when there are power plays in a relationship it's all about ego, not love. of course you know that. i have had a hard time in my life recognizing abuse for what it was, but the love i have in my life now teaches me and my instinctive reaction to love is peace and a feeling of value. so that is how i differentiate now. i have to know what love feels like in my body without trying to reason it out much. my reasoning left me in a tight spot most of my life because my thinking and understanding was skewed. by my feelings have been a good guide. not that i always feel something objectively lo- it's not that feelings are facts. but when i listen to my heart i do better than relying on pure rationale. don't know if this makes sense to anyone but me. but i do know that love doesn't hurt. Yes, my ex is so insecure, he tried to keep beating me down. It's so easy to see now, but I was blind to it. I think since it wasn't effecting me, he had to "up the ante". Yes, I would have seen it sooner if I had feelings as my guide. I'm working on that. We need both logic and emotions to make the best decisions. I can totally see now that he loved my like pizza, not a person. I am so glad you are making strides in this area. I have a lot of work to do. i get it. I was able to endure very serious and traumatic things stoically, that is the word that i have been called. i remember being very much like that as a child, i remember my parents physically fighting and even there was blood and i went to the conflict to see what was happening and take it in, i don't know why. i wanted to help. my siblings remember none of it because they hid. they were smart. After i would see the violence i would go to my bed and lay down in the dark and i physically felt like the bed was tipping me out! it is a very clear memory for me! i think i shut down then. Now, i really rely on my body and physical sensations to alert me. for years i was just kind of a block of doing... not feeling. It's so weird to explain but maybe you can understand it. i know in my body what i can not figure out with my head. i am getting better at getting the two to jibe. i have a long way to go too. when i think i have arrived somewhere life hands me another clue- this whole process is like a scavenger hunt trying to find myself. I would be happy to learn about things together with you here. i am not able yet to share my deepest thoughts with my closest friends and that is because i am still sorting them out after all this time. The closest i can come to raw open is my partner but that is a process also and i am still finding out how i hide from him. he has seen my at my messiest tho and still understands so it's helpful. he's messy too. sometimes! I am so glad you are getting some understanding , that's a huge push forward. you don't need or deserve that crap, i'm sure you know that full well! i am sure that such an insecure person was threatened by your independent nature and your strength. that is what therapists have told me about he abusers in my past. they don't go for weak targets, they go for strong ones. what's the point of dominating a weak person? it's really something if you can dominate a person of substance. strength can be in the form of fortitude or beautiful character.... there are many ways to be strong. in his weakness, and probably combined lack of empathy for you, he needed to dominate instead of love you. so he just didn't have he capacity to love and appreciate you. that's all, it's that simple. i bet you are an incredible woman and he probably saw that and didn't know what to do except bring you down to his level. try, anyway. i'm sorry you endured it but now you can be peaceful and free.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 21:43:31 GMT
by the way @mary, it seems like i used to have an emotional range of 4-5 feelings that i could identify, if i tried. but i found a list of all the different emotions with descriptions of them and the distinctions between them. it helped me sort out different feelings instead of lumping them under broad categories of good, bad, angry, happy... etc. of course i don't have a different physical feeling for each of those many emotions that exist. but, when i feel something strongly and i am not able to identify it right away, it helps me to get quiet all by myself and recall the list, kind of mentally check like a diagnostic. then things get a lot more clear. a lot of times if i am upset i have a block of tangled up yuck that i really can't understand but i can eventually sort out several distinct feelings going on, it helps me fine tune what i need to do to address it.
i can do this with old, historical childhood stuff if i get triggered, and i also find it helpful for current situations. if i find that resource again i will post it in the support forum for DA you might be able to google around to find something like that. it may sound silly but it has really helped me understand myself , my reactions, and other people better.
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Post by ocarina on Mar 19, 2018 22:14:07 GMT
by the way @mary , it seems like i used to have an emotional range of 4-5 feelings that i could identify, if i tried. but i found a list of all the different emotions with descriptions of them and the distinctions between them. it helped me sort out different feelings instead of lumping them under broad categories of good, bad, angry, happy... etc. of course i don't have a different physical feeling for each of those many emotions that exist. but, when i feel something strongly and i am not able to identify it right away, it helps me to get quiet all by myself and recall the list, kind of mentally check like a diagnostic. then things get a lot more clear. a lot of times if i am upset i have a block of tangled up yuck that i really can't understand but i can eventually sort out several distinct feelings going on, it helps me fine tune what i need to do to address it. i can do this with old, historical childhood stuff if i get triggered, and i also find it helpful for current situations. if i find that resource again i will post it in the support forum for DA you might be able to google around to find something like that. it may sound silly but it has really helped me understand myself , my reactions, and other people better. I like your description of emotions as "a block of tangled yuck" -my emotional life often seems like this - some unrecognisable semi tangible pot of darkness to be avoided if at all possible. I would be interested to see the resource you mentioned.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 22:38:37 GMT
ocarina, i will try to find it! also you mentioned buddhist monks- buddhist psychology breaks down 51-52 mental formations you can look up, it is helpful also. that's easy to find on the net. i had to research all that about the mind to start to get better.
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Post by mrob on Mar 20, 2018 12:13:49 GMT
It hit me this morning. This whole time, I have been trying to figure out why he did what he did. All the things he did to try and belittle me, pressure me, and push me. It was all about him wanting "power" in the relationship. It finally all makes sense and it makes me want to vomit. Sometimes it has nothing to do with attachment styles. He was mistreating you because you felt like a threat for him, somehow. What a poor sense of self. The only thing he can do is making you feel insignificant, so he can put himself higher. I feel sorry for this sort of people. I am sorry he has disrespected you and hurt you like this. You deserve better. Sometimes it has everything to do with an insecure attachment style. If he was secure, he wouldn’t have the need to go searching for someone he can be superior to, repeatedly, and for someone that he would even think of pulling the abhorrent race card on. That would have to be the lowest of the low. It may have everything to do with attachment style, but at the end of the day it’s what you’ll accept that matters. Mary, you’ve come leaps and bounds in the last couple of months. I’m sad this has happened. This sick, screwed up fool has prepared you for something, someone better (if that’s what you choose). I could go through every cliche, but I’m sure you’ve heard them all before.
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Post by mrob on Mar 20, 2018 12:14:53 GMT
Sometimes it has nothing to do with attachment styles. He was mistreating you because you felt like a threat for him, somehow. What a poor sense of self. The only thing he can do is making you feel insignificant, so he can put himself higher. I feel sorry for this sort of people. I am sorry he has disrespected you and hurt you like this. You deserve better. Sometimes it has everything to do with an insecure attachment style. If he was secure, he wouldn’t have the need to go searching for someone he can be superior to, repeatedly, and for someone that he would even think of pulling the abhorrent race card on. That would have to be the lowest of the low. It may have everything to do with attachment style, but at the end of the day it’s what you’ll accept that matters. Mary, you’ve come leaps and bounds in the last couple of months. I’m sad this has happened. This sick, screwed up fool has prepared you for something, someone better (if that’s what you choose)
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Post by Jaeger on Mar 21, 2018 20:56:20 GMT
I agree. A secure person can be racist but I believe a secure person who is racist would not have dated me in the first place. I think it's just something he resorted to based on his inner bias and poor self image. I think it is attachment based because he did it to me, not a stranger. mrob, thank you for your support. It was a wake up call for sure and I do deserve better. It will take me a while to trust again, but I have hope one day I can. If he was secure and said this thinking that it wouldn't hurt you, he would definitely have done something about it the second he realized that this assumption was wrong. I'm sorry he hurt you like that, Mary. You deserve better and going by what I've seen from you here, I'm confident you'll find it when you think the time is right to open yourself up to it.
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