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Post by alpenglow on Aug 13, 2018 19:34:27 GMT
Some people on Tinder post their MBI type, so why not their attachment style But yeah, many would lie if they knew what that meant...
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Post by alpenglow on Aug 21, 2018 13:00:33 GMT
Short update on this story:
I'm still in contact with this girl, mostly in the form of a group chat with her sister. I have a hard time adjusting to this new dynamic. Things are not how they used to be in the beginning, obviously. I would get all sorts of compliments from her before, but not anymore, since we're no longer "together".
This is something I miss and makes me feel uncomfortable. Since my self-worth is so attached to that of what others think of me, a lack of positive interactions makes me seriously doubt my self-worth. Especially when that something was there and went away. I also notice that I get a bit jealous when they talk about people they meet during their travels, and in my head, these people are "more interesting" (meaning, have more worth) than me. I've been thinking that I should go no contact with her, in order to ease the pain of having to compare myself to people I don't even know.
So I had a chat with her, and explained the situation. We went over what happened between us. We both agreed that it was good to stop our relationship in early July before it went any further because we could both clearly see how incompatible we would be with each other (AP/DA). I explained to her what I just wrote, that my self-worth tends to be tied to what others think of me, and wrote that it might be best for us to go no contact, as this makes me suffer. She doesn't understand my position of course, because she's already adjusted to having me as a friend, and nothing more. For an AP, we all know how difficult it is to let go....she ended up being frustrated and upset with me, she doesn't understand why I'd want to stop having contact with her only because I don't want to face my issues and adapt to the new situation. She sees this as an act of cowardice, and wonders why she should even be in my life if I'm entertaining the thought of cutting her off in order to ease my suffering. She also views the whole thing as an attempt for me to be comforted and reassured of my own self-worth. Most likely true....and she stated many times that she hates having to reassure someone.
Given the situation, what do you guys think? Is it an act of cowardice for me to want to go NC instead of trying to adapt to a new situation where we are just friends? If this makes me suffer, isn't it best for me to let go of someone who will never be able to reassure me for anything, even as friends? My true real (secure) friends always manage to reassure me (not about the realtionship we have together as friends, which I never question, but for other things).
Had I been secure, I would have managed to get used to this new dynamic. But since I am not, until I get to that point maybe one day in the future, isn't it best to remove as many sources of stress as possible? Is this avoidance or is this healthy behaviour?
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Post by lilyg on Aug 21, 2018 16:11:48 GMT
Short update on this story: I'm still in contact with this girl, mostly in the form of a group chat with her sister. I have a hard time adjusting to this new dynamic. Things are not how they used to be in the beginning, obviously. I would get all sorts of compliments from her before, but not anymore, since we're no longer "together". This is something I miss and makes me feel uncomfortable. Since my self-worth is so attached to that of what others think of me, a lack of positive interactions makes me seriously doubt my self-worth. Especially when that something was there and went away. I also notice that I get a bit jealous when they talk about people they meet during their travels, and in my head, these people are "more interesting" (meaning, have more worth) than me. I've been thinking that I should go no contact with her, in order to ease the pain of having to compare myself to people I don't even know. So I had a chat with her, and explained the situation. We went over what happened between us. We both agreed that it was good to stop our relationship in early July before it went any further because we could both clearly see how incompatible we would be with each other (AP/DA). I explained to her what I just wrote, that my self-worth tends to be tied to what others think of me, and wrote that it might be best for us to go no contact, as this makes me suffer. She doesn't understand my position of course, because she's already adjusted to having me as a friend, and nothing more. For an AP, we all know how difficult it is to let go....she ended up being frustrated and upset with me, she doesn't understand why I'd want to stop having contact with her only because I don't want to face my issues and adapt to the new situation. She sees this as an act of cowardice, and wonders why she should even be in my life if I'm entertaining the thought of cutting her off in order to ease my suffering. She also views the whole thing as an attempt for me to be comforted and reassured of my own self-worth. Most likely true....and she stated many times that she hates having to reassure someone. Given the situation, what do you guys think? Is it an act of cowardice for me to want to go NC instead of trying to adapt to a new situation where we are just friends? If this makes me suffer, isn't it best for me to let go of someone who will never be able to reassure me for anything, even as friends? My true real (secure) friends always manage to reassure me (not about the realtionship we have together as friends, which I never question, but for other things). Had I been secure, I would have managed to get used to this new dynamic. But since I am not, until I get to that point maybe one day in the future, isn't it best to remove as many sources of stress as possible? Is this avoidance or is this healthy behaviour? Hello! Well, I'd honestly do NC for a month or two at least. I don't think it's a cowardly thing to do quite the contrary, I think it's the most mature and secure thing to do. You have plenty of secure friends and if you're interested in her in some other way it'll afect you. I think she's being selfish, actually. If someone was suffering because of my innability to return his feelings I'd cut contact myself (and I've actually done it when this has happened to me, because life has teached me it's very difficult to mantain a friendship like this. People need time to get over romantic feelings... and sometimes time even makes you realize you don't really want a friendship with that person). She'll probably get mad at you but honestly, I don't think she's even that good of a friend if she does not care you're having a hard time right now about it and you need time and space to heal.
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Post by alpenglow on Aug 21, 2018 21:35:19 GMT
Thanks for your commet, lilyg! Yes, I think I will be affected by her no matter what I do. It takes time (especially for APs) to get over romantic feelings. She doesn't understand that, because she can apparently quickly get over it and be interested in someone else (she told me about a guy she was interested in, that she later met during her travels, which of course triggered some jealousy in me). I insisted on what made me suffer, I didn't blame her, but she only thought that I was crazy and needed a therapist. Well, that part is true, but I can clearly see how I became activated/triggered when I'm in contact with her now. She's already got mad at me, and you're right, how could she be a good friend if she doesn't even understand that I'm having a hard time because I still have feelings for her. She stated that she doesn't see where the problem lies, as far as she is concerned. We brought things to an end on a romantic level 1,5 months ago, she is fine with it, and can keep a friendship with me without being emotionally affected, while I still struggle to come to terms with it. Even as a friend, she can't even meet my most basic need of feeling reassured/accepted no matter the cause. Thanks for confirming that it wouldn't be a cowardly thing to do. My secure friend told me the exact same thing!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 21:43:45 GMT
good things don't feel like shit. ❤️
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Post by lilyg on Aug 21, 2018 22:20:36 GMT
Thanks for your commet, lilyg! Yes, I think I will be affected by her no matter what I do. It takes time (especially for APs) to get over romantic feelings. She doesn't understand that, because she can apparently quickly get over it and be interested in someone else (she told me about a guy she was interested in, that she later met during her travels, which of course triggered some jealousy in me). I insisted on what made me suffer, I didn't blame her, but she only thought that I was crazy and needed a therapist. Well, that part is true, but I can clearly see how I became activated/triggered when I'm in contact with her now. She's already got mad at me, and you're right, how could she be a good friend if she doesn't even understand that I'm having a hard time because I still have feelings for her. She stated that she doesn't see where the problem lies, as far as she is concerned. We brought things to an end on a romantic level 1,5 months ago, she is fine with it, and can keep a friendship with me without being emotionally affected, while I still struggle to come to terms with it. Even as a friend, she can't even meet my most basic need of feeling reassured/accepted no matter the cause. Thanks for confirming that it wouldn't be a cowardly thing to do. My secure friend told me the exact same thing! 😊 You are not a coward, and c'mon, you're not crazy. Even the most secure person feels heartbreak and needs time to heal.
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Post by lilyg on Aug 21, 2018 22:22:06 GMT
good things don't feel like shit. ❤️ This should be the slogan below 'Jeb Kinnison Attachment Type Forum' 😂
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Post by alpenglow on Aug 21, 2018 22:34:41 GMT
Yeah! Even secure people need time to heal from a heartbreak. That secure friend of mine (slightly anxious) said to me he would have had a hard time in my shoes, and would probabably have gone no contact as well, in order to heal. Great slogan, juniper! I should definitely trust my gut feeling more. Sometimes it's overactivated, but many times, it's actually quite spot on. If something feels very off and I feel on the edge, I should heed these signs. Still learning! Thanks again
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 22:40:53 GMT
good things don't feel like shit. ❤️ This should be the slogan below 'Jeb Kinnison Attachment Type Forum' 😂 right? it's really my litmus test these days!! 😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 22:46:38 GMT
Yeah! Even secure people need time to heal from a heartbreak. That secure friend of mine (slightly anxious) said to me he would have had a hard time in my shoes, and would probabably have gone no contact as well, in order to heal. Great slogan, juniper ! I should definitely trust my gut feeling more. Sometimes it's overactivated, but many times, it's actually quite spot on. If something feels very off and I feel on the edge, I should heed these signs. Still learning! Thanks again that's how we learn to trust and take care of ourselves. the whole business of doubting our gut and trying to convince ourselves that bad shit is actually ok, and that we are the ones that need to just stop stinking.... well, that's gotten me nothing but shit. so much shit. no more shit, k? never has anything that truly felt good, i mean, really felt safe and ok, been bad for me. so i go for what feels good, safe and ok. i don't have to force myself to trust what feels bad. i don't need to twist myself into a pretzel to make someone else feel good either . real love is simpler than this. real love is a lot more relaxing. it's not full of pitfalls and second guessing.
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Post by alpenglow on Aug 21, 2018 23:11:01 GMT
This is so true. When something feels safe, we are not activated, therefore a lot less anxiety (talking about APs at least). Everything happens a lot more smoothly, it's more relaxing indeed, and there is a lot less second guessing! Can't say that I have experienced this often, but I can totally imagine it. This is how it feels with my close (secure) friends.
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Post by notalone on Aug 22, 2018 0:49:50 GMT
good things don't feel like shit. ❤️ This should be the slogan below 'Jeb Kinnison Attachment Type Forum' 😂 100% 😄🙌👌
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Post by notalone on Aug 22, 2018 1:29:53 GMT
I know everyone’s already chimed in, but I really want to say I too totally support no contact. I relate to so much you talk about and here’s my take:
1. Letting go in this case is not cowardly AT ALL. Quite the opposite! AP or not, letting go can be tough. As an AP, detaching can be extra scary and painful. But when a relationship is not healthy it’s the right thing to do, and it takes strength and courage to let go. This is bravery and self love.
2. Even if you were secure, the way you describe her and the situation would be hard on anyone. This isn’t just a case of you not being secure enough, it’s a triggering scenario.
3. You want to become more secure, and you can, but staying connected to her will trigger you, delay your healing, and bring you in the opposite direction.
4. If you let go you WILL feel better in time. If you hang on you’ll just keep feeling like shit. The choice is yours. But as we know, “good things don’t feel like shit!” (My goodness that phrase makes me happy 😄)
I cut contact almost 4 weeks ago with someone I dated that triggered me too. I had all the same thoughts as you...if I were more secure I could handle this, why can’t I just be stronger, etc! It’s bull! I realized just today I have been in a much better mood for the last week or so! Funny how that works?! The first bit after going nc was hard, but then I started to feel better.
So yes, go no contact. Know any pain will pass. Ride the waves. Breath through them. It’s worth it. You’re worth it. You’ve got this! And we’ve got you!
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Post by andy on Aug 22, 2018 2:56:28 GMT
So I had a chat with her, and explained the situation. We went over what happened between us. We both agreed that it was good to stop our relationship in early July before it went any further because we could both clearly see how incompatible we would be with each other (AP/DA). I explained to her what I just wrote, that my self-worth tends to be tied to what others think of me, and wrote that it might be best for us to go no contact, as this makes me suffer. She doesn't understand my position of course, because she's already adjusted to having me as a friend, and nothing more. For an AP, we all know how difficult it is to let go....she ended up being frustrated and upset with me, she doesn't understand why I'd want to stop having contact with her only because I don't want to face my issues and adapt to the new situation. She sees this as an act of cowardice, and wonders why she should even be in my life if I'm entertaining the thought of cutting her off in order to ease my suffering. She also views the whole thing as an attempt for me to be comforted and reassured of my own self-worth. Most likely true....and she stated many times that she hates having to reassure someone. Given the situation, what do you guys think? Is it an act of cowardice for me to want to go NC instead of trying to adapt to a new situation where we are just friends? If this makes me suffer, isn't it best for me to let go of someone who will never be able to reassure me for anything, even as friends? My true real (secure) friends always manage to reassure me (not about the realtionship we have together as friends, which I never question, but for other things). Had I been secure, I would have managed to get used to this new dynamic. But since I am not, until I get to that point maybe one day in the future, isn't it best to remove as many sources of stress as possible? Is this avoidance or is this healthy behaviour? It sounds like you're doing great!!! Regarding "Had I been secure, I would have managed to get used to this new dynamic," I disagree. Secure people vary significantly in their preferences for navigating breakups and in many, many other aspects of their personalities and psychology. All they have in common is their ability to be close with others while also honouring and taking care of themselves. I know you're not secure yet, but you did some seriously working-towards-secure stuff in this story: You told your ex your true needs and feelings straight-up. BRAVE OF YOU! When she didn't listen to you or accept what you shared of yourself, you still did what you knew you needed to do instead of what she was trying to shame you into doing (ugh). SO BRAVE OF YOU! It all sounds like the opposite of cowardice, really.
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Post by goldilocks on Aug 22, 2018 3:31:57 GMT
So I had a chat with her, and explained the situation. We went over what happened between us. We both agreed that it was good to stop our relationship in early July before it went any further because we could both clearly see how incompatible we would be with each other (AP/DA). I explained to her what I just wrote, that my self-worth tends to be tied to what others think of me, and wrote that it might be best for us to go no contact, as this makes me suffer. She doesn't understand my position of course, because she's already adjusted to having me as a friend, and nothing more. For an AP, we all know how difficult it is to let go....she ended up being frustrated and upset with me, she doesn't understand why I'd want to stop having contact with her only because I don't want to face my issues and adapt to the new situation. She sees this as an act of cowardice, and wonders why she should even be in my life if I'm entertaining the thought of cutting her off in order to ease my suffering. She also views the whole thing as an attempt for me to be comforted and reassured of my own self-worth. Most likely true....and she stated many times that she hates having to reassure someone.Given the situation, what do you guys think? Is it an act of cowardice for me to want to go NC instead of trying to adapt to a new situation where we are just friends? If this makes me suffer, isn't it best for me to let go of someone who will never be able to reassure me for anything, even as friends? My true real (secure) friends always manage to reassure me (not about the realtionship we have together as friends, which I never question, but for other things).Had I been secure, I would have managed to get used to this new dynamic. But since I am not, until I get to that point maybe one day in the future, isn't it best to remove as many sources of stress as possible? Is this avoidance or is this healthy behaviour? It sounds like you're doing great!!! Regarding "Had I been secure, I would have managed to get used to this new dynamic," I disagree. Secure people vary significantly in their preferences for navigating breakups and in many, many other aspects of their personalities and psychology. All they have in common is their ability to be close with others while also honouring and taking care of themselves. For what it is worth, I am DA and also need time to get over a breakup. I do not pine for exes, but am more likely to feel some repulsion during the breakup scene and sad feelings in the weeks that follow. I need time to process these, get back into my own energy. From there a fresh friendship can be built. With my last boyfriend, we broke up 5 years ago in summer and then reconnected as friends in the autumn. We enjoy food and hiking and as we know each other's family from having them as future inlaws, we can advise each other on family interactions, feelings about aging parents and such. Alpenglow, in the bold parts you are showing a lot of insight into your own process, your needs and the situation. You also show the courage to make the incompatibility explicit. By the way, I am DA and as I was reading this wondered to what extent reassurance is a thing for most people. Insecurities are not a frequent topic in my circle. I found and liked this article: www.bustle.com/articles/118709-9-ways-to-help-a-friend-whos-feeling-insecureI like the concept of being one's own primary source of security, yet being secondary support for each other. As a DA, I am quite often my sole source of security. I rarely even register the need for support. I more often just feel stressed or dissapointed and want for some me time. Looking into myself, I realise I have had a long day at work, and while some things went well, one meeting went more chaotic than I expected and I feel stressed about how I may have come across. Maybe cuddling with someone who pointed out what went well would have decreased my stress levels. This may have been more effective than self regulating in this case because I got home too late to meditate and run a bath, and resorted to lower quality regulation of eating chips and playing video games, which kept some stress in my body during the night. I did not sleep too well. I would resent being the primary source for another person, and I think any DA would. That said, I am open to the idea of meeting 80% on our own and helping each other out with the 20% of stressful situations that can be processed more effectively by reaching out to one another.
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