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Post by glenjo99 on Feb 24, 2019 7:49:05 GMT
So am dating a guy whom I thought was secure but I'm starting to think he may be dismissive avoidant.
For example he says he is his number one priority, doesn't want anything serious and is happy to meet up once or twice a week. He has made efforts with his texting, used to be non existent but does text more after a conversation we had about it.
So last night we went on a date, initiated by me, for dinner and back to mine for a movie. I had been sick with stomach flu last week, but recovered now. He would not kiss me in case I was still contagious 🙄. He wouldn't sleep over either as he didn't want to leave his dog alone in his house. Ok that's fine but why couldn't we stay at his.
I'm getting so many mixed signals. He says he likes me a lot, knows he comes across unemotional at times but man I'm struggling here. Show me some feeling!!!!
Am I dealing with a dissmissive avoidant here?
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Post by alexandra on Feb 24, 2019 10:18:07 GMT
Before you analyze his attachment style, is what he's said he is willing to offer in line with what you want? He sounds like he's set on a casual but steady hookup. Is that what you're looking for as well? If not, you may want to bail on a guy who already stated he's not interested in making a relationship or a partner a priority. Even if he is DA or not, he's happy being single for the time being, and that should be respected.
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Post by glenjo99 on Feb 24, 2019 10:26:05 GMT
Before you analyze his attachment style, is what he's said he is willing to offer in line with what you want? He sounds like he's set on a casual but steady hookup. Is that what you're looking for as well? If not, you may want to bail on a guy who already stated he's not interested in making a relationship or a partner a priority. Even if he is DA or not, he's happy being single for the time being, and that should be respected. Yes we had a conversation about what we are both willing to offer. We discussed our definitions of what a relationship means to each individually. We decided we are in a casual relationship, not serious and are both happy to meet couple times a week and text in between. We had a lovely Valentine's night, stayed over, bought me gift etc and a night away in a hotel the follow in night, my idea. Then I'd been sick this week so couldn't see him. Then when we met last night he just seemed cold. No kisses, didn't want to stay over and of course as an AP I took this as rejection. I think I'm also sensitive this week having been sick, don't feel 100 percent my usual self in terms of feeling attractive etc. I wonder did I over react by saying let's think about what we both want and meet up Monday to decide where we will go. (Is this a protest behaviour?). I just know that if I really wanted I nothing could keep me from wanting to sleepover in my partners after not seeing him for a week....
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Post by sissyk on Feb 24, 2019 12:47:13 GMT
How long have you been seeing each other? He seems like he is happy to enjoy your company when it suits him. That could be DA or it could just be a not as into it as you are guy. I can understand not wanting to leave a dog alone..and one not great night is just that. That happens.
It sounds like you are frustrated having to do a lot of the initiating and like you want someone more emotionally available and enthusiastic.
If you stay in a relationship with someone who seems hot and cold or emotionally stingy for whatever reason it is going to make you more anxious over time.
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Post by glenjo99 on Feb 24, 2019 12:52:02 GMT
How long have you been seeing each other? He seems like he is happy to enjoy your company when it suits him. That could be DA or it could just be a not as into it as you are guy. I can understand not wanting to leave a dog alone..and one not great night is just that. That happens. It sounds like you are frustrated having to do a lot of the initiating and like you want someone more emotionally available and enthusiastic. If you stay in a relationship with someone who seems hot and cold or emotionally stingy for whatever reason it is going to make you more anxious over time. Seeing him since start of January, so around 7.5 weeks. There is frustration around the initiating of things for sure. He seems so cold at times and that throws me. He has started texting more which I told him I appreciated. It's everything else, I ininiate the physical meet ups, the sex mostly and this puts a strain on me. He should be co creating this but I feel he's taking a passive role.
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Post by sissyk on Feb 24, 2019 13:40:10 GMT
Yes. I totally get it. It is exhausting and doesn't make sense. Why is this guy not leaping for joy and making a big effort? Especially in early buzzy days.
One thing I learned for sure is people tell you who they are right away and you should believe them.
So you can talk to him and say you want him to make more of an effort and be more enthusiastic. But you can't convince someone to feel differently IMHO....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 14:16:51 GMT
Seems like he already said he wanted casual. So believe that. Especially when men tell you that. If it’s casual there’s no co creation - it is whatever suits their needs and wants... especially if it’s casual.
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Post by mrob on Feb 24, 2019 14:30:29 GMT
This is what happens. There’s this expectation, without actually saying anything, that every intimate interaction is working towards something bigger. He should be this, he should be that.... this is a time to look at yourself and your motives. I was in a situation recently where sex was used as a manipulative tool, and while it may have been different in my 20s, in my 40s, no amount of sex is worth the grief of being manipulated.
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Post by glenjo99 on Feb 24, 2019 15:43:24 GMT
Yes. I totally get it. It is exhausting and doesn't make sense. Why is this guy not leaping for joy and making a big effort? Especially in early buzzy days. One thing I learned for sure is people tell you who they are right away and you should believe them. So you can talk to him and say you want him to make more of an effort and be more enthusiastic. But you can't convince someone to feel differently IMHO.... I agree and that makes sense.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 16:23:16 GMT
How long have you been seeing each other? He seems like he is happy to enjoy your company when it suits him. That could be DA or it could just be a not as into it as you are guy. I can understand not wanting to leave a dog alone..and one not great night is just that. That happens. It sounds like you are frustrated having to do a lot of the initiating and like you want someone more emotionally available and enthusiastic. If you stay in a relationship with someone who seems hot and cold or emotionally stingy for whatever reason it is going to make you more anxious over time. Seeing him since start of January, so around 7.5 weeks. There is frustration around the initiating of things for sure. He seems so cold at times and that throws me. He has started texting more which I told him I appreciated. It's everything else, I ininiate the physical meet ups, the sex mostly and this puts a strain on me. He should be co creating this but I feel he's taking a passive role. I am DA. It sure looks like you are trying to make a Relationship out of Friends with Benefits. This will Not Work. If a DA man is having sex with you, but not acting like he wants a relationship, but says he really likes you , it means: The Liking: He wouldn't have sex with someone he doesn't like, or even someone he just tolerates. He won't spend time around ANYONE he doesn't like because that's how DA are- solitude is preferred to poor company. So yes, he likes you. This means NOTHING other than he finds you to be decent company. It does NOT imply relationship potential beyond the meetups you are initiating for sex or whatever else. The sex: Is sex. He wouldn't have it with somone he doesn't like, see above. The not acting like he wants a relationship: Speaks for itself. You are AP? Take a look at what you are doing here, you chasing an unavailable guy. I would never cheerlead you into asking for what you need, thinking you're co creating something, because thats your own narrative. It's an AP narrative happening with a person who isn't sharing your narrative. I don't know if he is DA at all. He is just a guy who isn't pursuing a relationship with you and believes you signed up for casual sexual with him because you did. Did I understand that correctly? Go find a man who wants to co-create if that is what you want, but don't try to move casual sex to a relationship. Or you end up here talking about him being possible DA and leaving your AP out of the conversation, and you get your feelings hurt in real life because you're loving a fantasy there and here also. Also: what mrob said. If you agreed to go casual, then keep your word. Go casual. Don't change the script. It won't work for you. However, it will work for him the whole time you consent to having sex with him while carrying out the relationship in your head and here as long as you don't bother him too much about it. That's not what you want, right? I'm not at all saying DA are horrible. I'm saying.... what you see is what you get. There is really no blame here, he's accepting what you are putting out and you are accepting what he is putting out by participating. From what you've written here, I can only see that you are participating in a FWB situation.
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Post by glenjo99 on Feb 24, 2019 16:46:06 GMT
Seeing him since start of January, so around 7.5 weeks. There is frustration around the initiating of things for sure. He seems so cold at times and that throws me. He has started texting more which I told him I appreciated. It's everything else, I ininiate the physical meet ups, the sex mostly and this puts a strain on me. He should be co creating this but I feel he's taking a passive role. I am DA. It sure looks like you are trying to make a Relationship out of Friends with Benefits. This will Not Work. If a DA man is having sex with you, but not acting like he wants a relationship, but says he really likes you , it means: The Liking: He wouldn't have sex with someone he doesn't like, or even someone he just tolerates. He won't spend time around ANYONE he doesn't like because that's how DA are- solitude is preferred to poor company. So yes, he likes you. This means NOTHING other than he finds you to be decent company. It does NOT imply relationship potential beyond the meetups you are initiating for sex or whatever else. The sex: Is sex. He wouldn't have it with somone he doesn't like, see above. The not acting like he wants a relationship: Speaks for itself. You are AP? Take a look at what you are doing here, you chasing an unavailable guy. I would never cheerlead you into asking for what you need, thinking you're co creating something, because thats your own narrative. It's an AP narrative happening with a person who isn't sharing your narrative. I don't know if he is DA at all. He is just a guy who isn't pursuing a relationship with you and believes you signed up for casual sexual with him because you did. Did I understand that correctly? Go find a man who wants to co-create if that is what you want, but don't try to move casual sex to a relationship. Or you end up here talking about him being possible DA and leaving your AP out of the conversation, and you get your feelings hurt in real life because you're loving a fantasy there and here also. Also: what mrob said. If you agreed to go casual, then keep your word. Go casual. Don't change the script. It won't work for you. However, it will work for him the whole time you consent to having sex with him while carrying out the relationship in your head and here as long as you don't bother him too much about it. That's not what you want, right? I'm not at all saying DA are horrible. I'm saying.... what you see is what you get. There is really no blame here, he's accepting what you are putting out and you are accepting what he is putting out by participating. From what you've written here, I can only see that you are participating in a FWB situation. No I didn't sign up for a casual thing. We had a conversation around what we both want. We decided we are in an exclusive relationship but nothing serious. He said it could go nowhere and it could end in marriage, who knows! So I'm not after sex only I could get that anywhere. I'm trying to learn in here so this is a lot of new stuff. I am quite aware of my own AP part in all of this. That said I think I initially I thought he was secure, but am trying to ascertain big he's more DA than dismissive which I think he is. I have stated done of my needs already to him to which he listened and even helped with, starting texting more etc so I am experiencing this whole being able to state my needs and wants for the first time, which is challenging for an AP.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 16:55:10 GMT
Before you analyze his attachment style, is what he's said he is willing to offer in line with what you want? He sounds like he's set on a casual but steady hookup. Is that what you're looking for as well? If not, you may want to bail on a guy who already stated he's not interested in making a relationship or a partner a priority. Even if he is DA or not, he's happy being single for the time being, and that should be respected. Yes we had a conversation about what we are both willing to offer. We discussed our definitions of what a relationship means to each individually. We decided we are in a casual relationship, not serious and are both happy to meet couple times a week and text in between. We had a lovely Valentine's night, stayed over, bought me gift etc and a night away in a hotel the follow in night, my idea. Then I'd been sick this week so couldn't see him. Then when we met last night he just seemed cold. No kisses, didn't want to stay over and of course as an AP I took this as rejection. I think I'm also sensitive this week having been sick, don't feel 100 percent my usual self in terms of feeling attractive etc. I wonder did I over react by saying let's think about what we both want and meet up Monday to decide where we will go. (Is this a protest behaviour?). I just know that if I really wanted I nothing could keep me from wanting to sleepover in my partners after not seeing him for a week.... Oh, I took the phrase "casual relationship, not serious " at face value. The popular meaning of that is a non-committed (not serious) relationship which may or may not be exclusive depending on agreement, not intended to progress to something serious. Either way, what you see is what you get. All my original points remain and may or may no apply, but talk about something like this potentially ending in marriage is just odd to me, personally, and I would see it as manipulation. either because he knows what you want and needs to give you some hope to hang in there (which is horrible behavior) or he's a really conflicted guy and possibly not DA, maybe another attachment type, who knows). Back to the basics: what you see is what you get, I'd encourage a heavy focus on the fact that you are AP and unhappy with an unavailable person. Best to you!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 16:58:12 GMT
Also, texting is an extremely minimal contribution. It may provide you with a sense of connection, and him with a sense of meeting a preference of yours, but more important needs are to have a mutual vision of a relationship. It's easy to miss the forest for the trees in situations like this.
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Post by glenjo99 on Feb 24, 2019 16:58:37 GMT
Yes we had a conversation about what we are both willing to offer. We discussed our definitions of what a relationship means to each individually. We decided we are in a casual relationship, not serious and are both happy to meet couple times a week and text in between. We had a lovely Valentine's night, stayed over, bought me gift etc and a night away in a hotel the follow in night, my idea. Then I'd been sick this week so couldn't see him. Then when we met last night he just seemed cold. No kisses, didn't want to stay over and of course as an AP I took this as rejection. I think I'm also sensitive this week having been sick, don't feel 100 percent my usual self in terms of feeling attractive etc. I wonder did I over react by saying let's think about what we both want and meet up Monday to decide where we will go. (Is this a protest behaviour?). I just know that if I really wanted I nothing could keep me from wanting to sleepover in my partners after not seeing him for a week.... Oh, I took  the phrase "casual relationship, not serious " at face value.  The popular meaning of that is a non-committed (not serious) relationship which may or may not be exclusive depending on agreement, not intended to progress to something serious. Either way, what you see is what you get. All my original points remain and may or may no apply, but talk about something like this potentially ending in marriage is just odd to me, personally, and I would see it as manipulation. either because he knows what you want and needs to give you some hope to hang in there (which is horrible behavior) or he's a really conflicted guy and possibly not DA, maybe another attachment type, who knows). Back to the basics: what you see is what you get, I'd encourage a heavy focus on the fact that you are AP and unhappy with an unavailable person.  Best to you! Thanks I appreciate your input. Focus back on me for sure. We are meeting tomorrow to discuss where we go from here. Think a split might be on the cards.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 17:05:56 GMT
Oh, I took the phrase "casual relationship, not serious " at face value. The popular meaning of that is a non-committed (not serious) relationship which may or may not be exclusive depending on agreement, not intended to progress to something serious. Either way, what you see is what you get. All my original points remain and may or may no apply, but talk about something like this potentially ending in marriage is just odd to me, personally, and I would see it as manipulation. either because he knows what you want and needs to give you some hope to hang in there (which is horrible behavior) or he's a really conflicted guy and possibly not DA, maybe another attachment type, who knows). Back to the basics: what you see is what you get, I'd encourage a heavy focus on the fact that you are AP and unhappy with an unavailable person. Best to you! Thanks I appreciate your input. Focus back on me for sure. We are meeting tomorrow to discuss where we go from here. Think a split might be on the cards. Walking away from something like this in order to concentrate on letting go of an AP narrative and building personal emotional security would be a tremendous act of self love on your part. Just my opinion. But kudos for taking the reins and putting a stop to something that is taking more than it is returning to you.
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