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Post by mamut on Jun 4, 2019 15:52:48 GMT
Yesterday wasn't a good day. I had teeny tiny thoughts of reconciliation and I didn't like it, so I wanted to find "proof" of him moving on so I it can help me get over it. It may have helped, I dunno. I just really want to find out if he has moved on. I could ask my best friend who is his friend(-ish) but I'm still not so sure I want to. I think that if I officially find out, I will finally let go.
I also have the urge to text him because I just want to go back to normal and hang out with my friends. Then I think, I won't text him and just go hang out with my friends and if I bump into him, fine. But I don't know how fine I'll be. So I haven't decided anything.
But really, how to prepare for this? I think I'm making it too much of a big deal, and I just want to do it and get over it, but that's how I felt the last time he ended it and texted him to hang out as friends, we wound up together again and I don't want that. I also don't want to start crying when I meet him.i guess it's still too soon. Damn.
Any tips would be deeply appreciated.
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Post by mamut on Jun 4, 2019 16:04:46 GMT
Yeah I think I already have my answer. Too soon. 😟
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Post by mamut on Jun 4, 2019 16:46:17 GMT
I'm gonna act like I'll never see him again. Thinking about the fact that I will, is holding me back. Gonna treat it like I won't. The thought of is already feels better.
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Post by stuckinamoment on Jun 4, 2019 17:00:23 GMT
Yesterday wasn't a good day. I had teeny tiny thoughts of reconciliation and I didn't like it, so I wanted to find "proof" of him moving on so I it can help me get over it. It may have helped, I dunno. I just really want to find out if he has moved on. I could ask my best friend who is his friend(-ish) but I'm still not so sure I want to. I think that if I officially find out, I will finally let go. I also have the urge to text him because I just want to go back to normal and hang out with my friends. Then I think, I won't text him and just go hang out with my friends and if I bump into him, fine. But I don't know how fine I'll be. So I haven't decided anything. But really, how to prepare for this? I think I'm making it too much of a big deal, and I just want to do it and get over it, but that's how I felt the last time he ended it and texted him to hang out as friends, we wound up together again and I don't want that. I also don't want to start crying when I meet him.i guess it's still too soon. Damn. Any tips would be deeply appreciated. hello, I don't have any solid tips, but just wanted to say i'm in a similar place most days. it's like the pain of not being back to normal again and feeling like i have to avoid places and him is getting to be all too much. I think both of us will bump into our xs eventually and we need to be in the best place possible , so we can handle not only being around them but anything they may say or do. my therapist said that i have a right to goto the store he's usually at despite him being there and my needs are important. that made me think as here i am avoiding a place just because one person runs from me when he sees me. is he always with your friends? if not and it's just a possible chance meeting sometimes ..think about just going out and see how it goes. you can always leave if he shows up i also sent mine a text last time asking for help with groceries at the store and we ended up as friends to then him crossing the line which led to what it is now. and as you know he ignored my last text, so is still avoiding after all this time. so it seems we have similar situations
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Post by mamut on Jun 4, 2019 18:02:51 GMT
stuckinamoment our stories are very similar indeed. I completely agree with you and your therapist. Of course we have the right to those places and once we feel better we'll be back! Our place is a bar that "everyone knows your name". I do see my friends, but not as much as before. He is usually always there and always sits with my friends if they are there too. There is an event I really want to go too this weekend, and that's another reason I'm in a rush. I think I'll sit with the thought for a couple of days and see how I feel. Thing is, if he does come, he'll sit at the same table, but as you said ,I can always leave if I don't feel good and of course I might be able to tell him to not sit with us too. Depends. I don't know what his reaction will be, he seems to be interested in how I'm doing, but you never know. I'm just gonna try to pretend I'm never gonna see him again because this is definitely holding me back. We can do this!
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Post by stuckinamoment on Jun 4, 2019 23:25:39 GMT
mamuti understand your situation more now ..seems both of our situations involve a bar. notice how they keep going to the place and we avoid it. to me that shows how we are determined to move past this, to learn, to heal and to grow. we could have kept going, but deep down we know they are not good for us. we decided to chose ourselves. i think mine said something to one of the bar staff as she said something odd to me the nite he cut me off. the staff isn't the type that is friendly and i never saw her the entire time i was involved with my x. she said everyone talks there and they don't need to know everything ...it's odd because i'm a quiet type and dint share much as i'm always cautious..so who knows..it's just drama .still i miss the people and the atmosphere there and they have food I enjoy. You will come to the right solution for yourself and are doing everything to reach that point. when you are ready you will get back there...like you said we both will. we will look back one day at how silly all this was ...avoiding an unavailable man etc.
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Post by mamut on Jun 4, 2019 23:54:52 GMT
stuckinamoment thank you for! understanding. It would be much more easier if he wasn't the new one. This was the place that I hung out with mu friends, it was our place, he's the newcomer and I just can't. I know it's temporarily, but I miss my routine. I hope I can get pass this soon. I hope with both do.
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Post by mamut on Jun 5, 2019 11:52:23 GMT
Feeling better so far today. Finally starting working on a skill of mine and it's so fulfilling.
Been working on imaginary conversations with the ex in my head, in case we meet. No anxiety, still stings when I picture him with someone else, but that's kinda why I'm doing it, to get used to it. @sherry maybe this is a constructive way to use an AP's ability of overthinking?
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Post by mamut on Jun 6, 2019 8:44:48 GMT
I've been going back n forth on seeing him at this event, but I'm probably not going. I'm not ready yet. I'm still angry and jealous of anyone who he might be seeing.
I know that whatever happened between us was both our fault. I understand that he might've came back the first time because he's human, he might've just wanted to see where it could go too. He might've even met someone towards the end, or just realised that he still wanted to date other people and broke it off with me because he didn't want to hurt me. Yet at the same time he might've just came back because I was convenient. I might never find out, but since he's in my circle, maybe I will. Time will tell, but time right now seems endless.
I'm trying to forgive him, as that's the only way I can see the anger and jealousy go away. It's hard.
I don't want to be his friend. That's how I feel right now. I don't want to break no contact either. It gives me a sense of power and some sort of revenge feeling if that makes sense. He wanted out, but still wanted my friendship and me not giving him that, gives me a sense of self respect by not letting him have his cake and eat it too.
The interesting psychology behind this, is that I feel that all of these are bad feelings to have. I kind of feel guilty for having them and in the past I'd be pressuring myself to not have them and I'd be meeting him and forcing myself to be friends because "it's the right thing to do". Now I'm actually embracing these feelings. I know they are temporary and I also see that I might see them as bad because of lack of self love and from always putting my needs last.
I have the right to feel what I feel. I know that we both made mistakes, I'm owning mine, that doesn't strip me from that right. I can't erase what I'm feeling just because he wants it that way, or society and my upbringing taught me to. It's not like I want to harm him or anything. I just want to stop giving him what he wants for a change and any guy, for that matter and focus on what I want.
Aren't these normal feelings? I would love to hear anyone's point of view. Is it selfish to have them?
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Post by mamut on Jun 6, 2019 10:59:24 GMT
I mean does he really deserve my friendship? How can you be friends with someone who was irresponsible with your feelings? How can you be friends with someone you can't trust?
Some say that people handle relationships and friendships differently, I never believed that. You're the same person; if you don't respect your lovers, you'll never respect your friends and vice versa.
If you treat your lovers badly, you probably treat your friends the same. I know I'll feel a bit different when all the feelings fade out, but I'm not sure if I'd ever want to remain friends with a guy who knew that we wanted different things and still chose to continue. He chose to mess with my feelings. If he ever wants a friendship as he claimed, he'll need to be very apologetic and have some good excuses and act accordingly. And even then, I dunno if we could be friends. Friendly, maybe, I know that in time, I'll get over him and I will be friendly, but friends? Don't think so.
Im struggling because, as I mentioned on y previous post, I don't know if this type of thinking is selfish or just common sense. I have a distorted view of selfishness, due to my low self confidence, we're even working on it in therapy. I tend to perceive self respect as selfishness. Only recently I've started to overcome that. Do you think this is another case of distortion?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 12:32:43 GMT
I think this is helpful thinking, actually. I also believe that relationships of all kinds should begin with a foundation of mutual respect, healthy trust and interdependency, and shared values. It doesn't mean we have to agree on everything but a true friendship involves understanding and caring for the other person, not just blindly serving one's own agenda.
The anger can show you where you have betrayed yourself, and where you can develop better boundaries and a realistic perspective of your interactions. This will in time enable you to cultivate both friendships and romantic relationships that honor the truth of who you (and the other person ) are rather than feeding illusions and fantasies.
An aside on the whole wanting different things: Insecure people are ambiguous, and ambivalent, period. Insecure people say one thing and do another. All insecure people. Here is a startling but real example. I was involved in a casual relationship at one time, with a man who clearly wanted only a casual relationship. I grew in myself to want more than casual, with him. And in general I felt I had the capacity for that. For quite some time he and I had this conversation that always ended the same: we wanted different things but were still hooking up. Ultimately, I came to a clear place of being ready to end the hookups and go my way. I felt ready and settled on that, peaceful. He really struggled with that. We had a great "connection" and were compatible in many ways, and the sec and comfort were really enjoyable. He asked me over for our usual, in spite of my clear communication that I was ready to stop and my assertions that I felt really good about my clarity and resolve. I agreed to come over "one last time" , as I didn't want to leave him hanging (?!?) and he was clearly unhappy. However, I added the caveat that I didn't want to continue on as we had. And I meant it! His response? He asked me why in the world would I keep agreeing to come over after asserting 1000 times it wasn't what I wanted? He wasn't a bad guy, he was just tired of experiencing MY conflictedness and behavior that didn't align with my words.
Really. It goes both ways whether that makes sense to us or not. It turns out, people who truly are ready and able to have a serious relationship don't behave casually with premature or casual sex without consistency and a real direction. He didn't believe my words because of my actions. I participated with him in something that worked for him and presumably for me also. It's all just insecure instability that takes time to resolve.
I realized with that exchange that it was my own flakiness that had me conflicted- I wanted one thing but behaved in another and just argued against it the whole time. I didn't blame him; I wasn't angry- I was conflicted within myself and unwilling to let go of what I was enjoying with him in order to make room for a new person and the unknown. It was a kind of fear and complacency. And it definitely sent mixed messages to him, I lacked integrity on my end also and casual guy nailed it, he called me out and did us both a favor. He wasn't trying to hurt me at all and was following the crooked path we forged TOGETHER.
Got me right of the fence for good, He was absolutely right to question me the way he did.
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Post by mamut on Jun 6, 2019 13:56:54 GMT
@sherry that's exactly how I feel about what happened with my ex, with the difference that we both were unclear. we both wanted something else, yet acted the complete opposite. I actually wanted a relationship but didn't own that, so instead did what I always do, push my needs away and compromise with whatever is given to me. I am mad at me for that and I'm working to change.
I understand his position too. I wasn't setting my boundaries, he enjoyed my company, so he just gave it a go. I truly understand that. And everything would be fine if he didn't return and I didn't continue compromising.
I can see both our faults and I'm mad at both of us. But just as it doesn't make sense to them that we keep hanging out casually when we want more, it doesn't make sense to me that they continue something casual when they see that we want something more. One will say that it's our responsibility, and it is, but there's something up with people who see that the other person is head over heels for them, they don't want more and yet still continue. They're in this too, it is partly their responsibility too.
We're not talking about inexperienced youngsters, that I could understand. We're talking about two adults who have definitely have had their hearts broken before in the exact same way.
When I was in a casual phase, I stopped seeing a guy with whom we shared a connection, because I knew it would get messy. I knew I didn't want a relationship, so I ended it after 3 dates. It wasn't hard for me. It's hard for the ones that have feelings to end it. Yet, again, I understand that it might've not been easy for my ex. I truly do and I want to forgive him. It's just not easy right now, especially since I have a feeling he dumped me to date another girl we met while dating. And I even understand that, heck, I've done it too. No one's perfect. It just sucks.
I know this will pass. My anger and jealousy, but right now I'm proud that I'm letting myself feel both of them; it shows that I gained some self respect.
Maybe when everything settles we will get the chance to talk about it and I'll find out if he was indeed using me, or just as insecure as I am.
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Post by mamut on Jun 6, 2019 14:06:29 GMT
@sherry to add, right now, it seems as if he was indeed serving his own agenda. The timing of everything was just too coincidental. Once again, I can still be understanding if it's just his insecurity and he didn't really do it on purpose, but if he doesn't actually try to change, insecurities or not, it just makes him a bad person, or to better put it, not compatible with me.
Just like if I don't change my ways, I will always be pushed away and treated like a doormat. If I wasn't aware of my actions, I'd even be flailing about how mean men are and so on, always placing blame on others. Awareness is a huge first big step, but I need all the other steps too, or else it's just going to be used as an excuse for bad behavior.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 15:09:04 GMT
mamut my point is that tightening up your own boundaries and behaviors and thought processes is the only thing you can control. Premature sex and casual sex won't happen if you don't participate in it. There is no blame to lay,ultimately. No need to make excuses for yourself or anyone else. To have better we need to do better and feelings come with that can serve the purpose of solidifying our own convictions. No one will treat you casually and get away with it unless you treat yourself casually. Because as you said, we aren't adolescents. We have to decide what we are doing and have integrity. That's a process and it takes time and painful experiences to get there .
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Post by mamut on Jun 6, 2019 15:54:48 GMT
mamut my point is that tightening up your own boundaries and behaviors and thought processes is the only thing you can control. Premature sex and casual sex won't happen if you don't participate in it. There is no blame to lay,ultimately. No need to make excuses for yourself or anyone else. To have better we need to do better and feelings come with that can serve the purpose of solidifying our own convictions. No one will treat you casually and get away with it unless you treat yourself casually. Because as you said, we aren't adolescents. We have to decide what we are doing and have integrity. That's a process and it takes time and painful experiences to get there . Exactly.
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