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Post by mamut on Jun 6, 2019 23:55:28 GMT
I'm feeling a lot better after realising that the feelings I'm having are normal. And I forgot to thank you for your comments @sherry, as always helpful 😊 The "sitting with your feelings" really helps. Also feeling that I'm actually allowed to feel them was what helped the most. I feel used. My therapist told me that it doesn't really matter if I was or not, what's important is how I feel. It isn't indeed a blaming game, it's more like recognising both of our wrong doings and accepting the feelings that they provoked. Sometimes the feelings make you blame the other more, sometimes they make you blame yourself more. Balancing between the two seems to be the answer. Forgiveness will probably come soon. My therapist also told me that it's an issue if I'm avoiding things I love doing, stuckinamoment. I told her I know it's temporary, I'm not planning to avoid places for long, but it also got me reconsidering going to the weekend event. I will make that decision last minute, depending the mood I'm in, because I'm still going back n forth, although today I feel very good. I am getting back to my routine even more. Things are looking better overall! 😊
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 0:11:05 GMT
I'm feeling a lot better after realising that the feelings I'm having are normal. And I forgot to thank you for your comments @sherry, as always helpful 😊 The "sitting with your feelings" really helps. Also feeling that I'm actually allowed to feel them was what helped the most. I feel used. My therapist told me that it doesn't really matter if I was or not, what's important is how I feel. It isn't indeed a blaming game, it's more like recognising both of our wrong doings and accepting the feelings that they provoked. Sometimes the feelings make you blame the other more, sometimes they make you blame yourself more. Balancing between the two seems to be the answer. Forgiveness will probably come soon. My therapist also told me that it's an issue if I'm avoiding things I love doing, stuckinamoment. I told her I know it's temporary, I'm not planning to avoid places for long, but it also got me reconsidering going to the weekend event. I will make that decision last minute, depending the mood I'm in, because I'm still going back n forth, although today I feel very good. I am getting back to my routine even more. Things are looking better overall! 😊 I totally hear you here; I get it. What I realized is that forgiving myself and the other person is the only way for me to redeem the mistakes we both made and to just let go. It's not that anger doesn't have a place, it just can be felt and taken care of and let go of, just like all the other feelings. What matters the most to me is being able to move into a healthier future, with my self love and self respect intact. Just because I made mistakes when I didn't know how to do better, teaches me that he did also. He has his own pain that isn't my business. I don't have to add to it or carry it. You're doing so good getting through this a day at a time!!
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Post by mamut on Jun 7, 2019 0:32:45 GMT
@sherry exactly! "Moving to a healthier future with my self love and self respect intact"! I've also accepted anger as a helpful feeling, as I've mentioned before. I used to think I was horrible for feeling it and that led to more bad decisions. And about focusing more on the ex, wow, I used to do that A LOT. Even now, even when from the beginning of the break up I didn't really care if we'd be friends or not, there was still a teeny tiny thought in the back of my head, that felt like an obligation, that my goal should be to remain friends. As if that would show that I am strong or whatever. Well it doesn't. What it did for me was to prolong the fantasy, hence, the pain of the break up. It also reinforeced my tendency to put his needs above mine. Fortunately, the need of me being friends with this one was almost non existent, and if I knew I wasn't to see him again, it probably wouldn't be there at all. I'm thankful, in the end that it was, because it made me realise a lot of things about myself. I was just reading an article that articulates what we're saying about anger, forgiveness and letting go: www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/living-forward/201508/5-ways-move-when-you-still-love-your-exThank you for your encouragement! This has been the most insightful break up I've ever had. There are many factors that led to this, and everyone here is definitely an important one. 🙏🏽🙏🏽😊😊
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Post by mamut on Jun 9, 2019 15:10:38 GMT
So I did it. Went to the event, saw my ex, all good. He was super nervous 😂 I felt really good as I could FINALLY be myself around him without having to check anything etc. LIBERATING.
I don't even know if I have feelings for him anymore. I do still care about him, but reconciliation? Nope. He kinda made it easier since half the time he was flirting with another woman 😂 I was really cool about it, not playing cool, I WAS really cool about it. Of course it bugged me a little, but he wasn't doing anything wrong. I'd prefer he'd be considerate enough to not do it right in front of me, but we can't have it all in life now can we?
Oh well. I still haven't texted him because I'm still not ready. It's empowering to know that he can't text me. I feel in control. I'm going to hang with him and our friends a couple of more times and then I'll decide if I want to text him again or not.
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Post by stuckinamoment on Jun 10, 2019 1:00:51 GMT
mamut so glad to see this post and that you went and enjoyed yourself despite him being there. so proud of you. I think that's a good decision to let things play out over the next few times you see him and then decide if she still feel that you want to reach out to him via text. i'm curious if you got to talk to him at all of if he was avoidant? I almost went out this weekend as well but decided I would continue to work on myself a lil more , but you give me hope that once i'm out there again it won't be as bad as I once thought.
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Post by mamut on Jun 10, 2019 6:36:59 GMT
stuckinamoment he is the one who approached me. Asked how I was doing etc. I didn't ask how he was doing, so he proceeded to tell me, and he was so nervous that he couldn't stop talking. My friend literally told him to breathe. I didn't ask how he was because I wasn't and still am not ready to be his friend if that makes any sense. He sat with us for almost the whole evening. He then left to go say hi to a guy he knew and came back with a girl and continued to flirt with her in front of of me, ignoring me and our common friend completely, only to turn to us whenever the girl left the table. One of those times, he even made an inside joke, to which I did respond,but in general I was basically ignoring him, because I was bothered a bit of what I was witnessing. My friend was pissed for him ignoring us way more than I was. She even asked me how was I taking it so well. I told her that he's actually helping me by showing he doesn't really care about my feelings. He wasn't doing anything wrong, but for me, he was being rude. I mean, he's the one that went on and on about how I'm his best friend and he knows I had a hard time dealing with this and then he goes and flirts with a girl he just met in front of me? I'm not saying he shouldn't flirt, I was expecting it, but he could have be waaaaay more considerate about it. Am I being unfair about this? It's not that I'd ever call him out on it, it's his right, he's single, he can do whatever he wants, but it just showed me that he isn't as empathetic as I thought. Again, I wasn't expecting him to treat me as if we were together, but damn, this was rude. My friend did notice in the beginning of the evening that he was a bit jealous of me talking to other aquantainces of ours, I don't know if he reacted to that. I wasn't trying to make him jealous. I'm not analysing this more than just him being inconsiderate. So I don't know what behavior of his, if any, was avoidant. Overall I did have a great time. It bothers me more now when I think about it, than it bothered me when it was happening. I'm so glad we're not on texting terms, I'm still protecting myself. He even texted my friend the next day to ask how we both were. Oh yeah, we left without saying goodbye, he didn't even see us leaving. He really just dropped in my eyes. Friend is still pissed at him, says he could've not have ignored us so much and still flirt. He literally had his back toward us and we were sitting at the same table. I even told my friend that it was probably because I was there and to give him another chance. As for meeting him, yes it was way better than I expected, but I did feel ready to meet him. I asked my friend how he was doing , something I avoided asking her before. She said Everytime I was mentioned he showed interest and it seems he does care about me as a friend and also that he is in no position for a relationship as he has issues he needs to resolve (his words). I basically wanted to find out of he's dating anyone specific. I could (and did) handle the flirting, I just wouldn't be able to see him with another girl, especially one I already knew. I wasn't angry, I wasn't sad, I was in a good place and that's why I actually had a great time. I knew I had made our meeting to big in my head and wanted to stop that. I hope it goes even better for you!
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Post by mamut on Jun 10, 2019 10:52:58 GMT
Just to add and to straighten out my thoughts, I really didn't expect him to hang with me as if nothing happened. I didn't even expect him to hang with us that much. I did expect him to flirt, but not like that. I honestly think he was being inconsiderate for the first time we met after a month.
Even when he was hanging out without flirting, I wasn't reading into it as a good sign or anything. I honestly knew it was over. I just wanted to have fun at an event at the place I hang out with my friends.
I would never do that to a guy I recently dumped, on the first time meeting him. Especially with a random guy I just met. I'm not ireasonable. If it was months down the line and/or if he was dating, I would never expect an ex to not flirt with anyone, especially if he was dating. But I do think it's common courtesy to at least don't do it right in front of me when it could easily been avoided. I'm not even going to thoughts like "oh he wants to make me jealous", because for me, either explanation just shows his character and I don't like it.
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Post by 8675309 on Jun 10, 2019 12:15:09 GMT
8675309 exactly! If a guy rejects me for something shallow, good riddance! Yup. I still wanted to put it out there for future readers as I dont want an AP type to take things like that personal as some would like they are not enough even with shallow reasons...
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Post by mamut on Jun 13, 2019 12:04:19 GMT
stuckinamoment just a warning, keep in mind that you might be ok with seeing him and might be happy to continue no contact, but by him seeing you, you never know how he might take it. My ex sort of reached out in a very very subtle way but he still "broke" my no contact rules. Even though it was subtle, it still triggered me, leading me into all these thoughts of "what does he want from me?" Etc. I will ignore it, but I still hate the fact that he somehow thinks that everything's ok between us, just because he's moved past it. I still have feelings for him, even though I don't want him back. I don't know when they will go away, but I can't wait.
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Post by stuckinamoment on Jun 13, 2019 17:10:08 GMT
stuckinamoment just a warning, keep in mind that you might be ok with seeing him and might be happy to continue no contact, but by him seeing you, you never know how he might take it. My ex sort of reached out in a very very subtle way but he still "broke" my no contact rules. Even though it was subtle, it still triggered me, leading me into all these thoughts of "what does he want from me?" Etc. I will ignore it, but I still hate the fact that he somehow thinks that everything's ok between us, just because he's moved past it. I still have feelings for him, even though I don't want him back. I don't know when they will go away, but I can't wait. I wrote you a reply a few days back but then my wifi went down and the post vanished. I'm going to need o be out by my x and the place we used to goto next week for another spine adjustment after months , three months , so it has me feeling more emotional. for me it's the why can't I just reach out like an adult and say i will be out that way and ask if he still wants space. then I think who cares he obviously has cut me off with his lack of replying to my nice text a few weeks back. I just want to get rid of this awkward feeling ..it's like i have to check if he's there before i even go in the place . I think when he sees me he will run ..i don't really see him talking to me. He ran the last time and then told obvious lies about how he would reach back out to me and just needed space. i'm a communicator , so I struggle with not being able to reach out to him. I miss the advice he would give me and our common interests and i never told him how much i valued all that I guess that's the AP in me just wanting to move past it all. i've given him two months of space and i guess was expecting he would reach out. im sorry that you were triggered by him and that he broke no contact . He may have wrongly assumed since you went out that you are ok with everything because it's probably how he would handle it himself? continue to do what is best for yourself and your healing. I'm not sure about you but for me I often struggle with not being able to just sit and talk with him even about how i feel it's his way or no way and that's it. i'm not sure if you are feeling the same? do you think you will go back out again? oh i was reading about FA and some will flirt to add insecurity into the relationship , so i'm wondering if your x was subconsciously putting distance between you and him that nite , possibly we will get passed them it's just going to take time.
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Post by mamut on Jun 13, 2019 17:32:32 GMT
stuckinamoment oh I agree, definitely don't text him to ask if he needs space! That text itself is "suffocating". Also, continue to treat it like a break up. "Space" is more likely an excuse. And also, it's not like he owns the place! But of you really aren't in a good spot, try to avoid the place altogether, it will do more harm than good. He might've been flirting so he can handle it, he might've broken up because he felt too much, he definitely misses me, he might even want to get back together. All these may have to do with his attachment style, but it doesn't really matter. I can't afford to be thinking that these are the reasons behind his actions, even if they're true, because, childhood traumas or not, his behavior still remains rude. I can understand his insecurities, but that won't change anything other than giving false hope and making me cling to something that is bad for me. He needs to work on those. With the facts I have now, I don't even want him as a friend. I will definitely go to that place again on a different day than his event, but I will need to be in a good place. I am sure that the reason he "broke" no contact is exactly that, he thought I was over it, but I literally told him that I would text him when that happens, and I didn't. I'm just ignoring him, I bet that's a clear "reply". I have no problem whatsoever, to not talk about my feelings with him. I score high on avoidance too, so maybe it's that. In general, when someone rejects me, that's it. I don't like giving them the satisfaction of having me in their life again. Not contacting him comes natural to me. Sure, I might be going through all these emotions, but I find it easy to resist the urges of texting him; they are not big enough to begin with. I guess I'm lucky that way.
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Post by mamut on Jun 13, 2019 17:51:14 GMT
Everytime I go down the overanalyzing path, I remind myself that I'm projecting my feelings on him. I'm the one who definitely still has feelings for him and I get triggered into analyzing his actions as attempts to get closer again. He could very much be doing that, but as I said, I can't afford thinking that way, it continues the vicious cycle. It's just one possiblity, and if I what to break the cycle, I have to take his actions at face value. He ended it, he doesn't want back. All his "attempts" may be just him trying to get the friendship back. My silence isn't making it easier for him, and I'm glad.
I also noticed, and this is a question to other avoidants, I noticed that he can't really distinguish friendships from relationships. He is literally treating our mutual friends as if they were in a relationship together, constant texting, hanging out etc. It's like he wants the closeness that a romantic relationship gives you, and demanding it from friends. Sure, friends can cover a small part of our needs, but especially after a certain age, it's just not sustainable; friends have their own lives. I've recently saw this behavior from a friend of mine, who I just realised is an avoidant. Does this sound familiar?
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Post by stuckinamoment on Jun 13, 2019 18:29:05 GMT
mamut I agree i think your x is being careless with your feelings and not sensitive to your needs ...that was a jerk move bringing that girl over and shows his immaturity as well. it certainly isn't behavior that would make you feel welcomed back into his life. even as a friend he wasn't showing you respect. Thats a good point about analyzing ..i find myself doing that this week after i was doing much better with thing in general and maybe it is an attempt to try and get closer in my mind. like you said he chose to cut off the relationship. my x didn't say our friendship would end he said he would see me in the future . then when i ran into him he said he needed space as he has a lot going on and has no bandwidth for anything else right now and doesn't know what he could offer. that's when i asked what he wanted me to do..and he said he thought we both need space .it's like he's a different person and he seemed frazzled wth life , but he hasn't reached out so that tells me he just is a mess. he did also say he was fond of me and if we saw each other we could chat. i stayed away to let it play out because in the past that's not something i've been good with. in general i'm handling this better but i'm far from over it. im dealing with some issues he was supportive with and I also think that's where some of this comes in too when those issues press on me i want his support. it was such a positive interaction until we got to close and his ghost came into play . i will decide next week if i stop there or not ..i may just stop for a half hour and see how it goes. your posts always help me to see how a lot of this is my attachment and things going round and round in my head. you seem to be handling your x very well and setting good boundaries.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 21:50:41 GMT
Everytime I go down the overanalyzing path, I remind myself that I'm projecting my feelings on him. I'm the one who definitely still has feelings for him and I get triggered into analyzing his actions as attempts to get closer again. He could very much be doing that, but as I said, I can't afford thinking that way, it continues the vicious cycle. It's just one possiblity, and if I what to break the cycle, I have to take his actions at face value. He ended it, he doesn't want back. All his "attempts" may be just him trying to get the friendship back. My silence isn't making it easier for him, and I'm glad. I also noticed, and this is a question to other avoidants, I noticed that he can't really distinguish friendships from relationships. He is literally treating our mutual friends as if they were in a relationship together, constant texting, hanging out etc. It's like he wants the closeness that a romantic relationship gives you, and demanding it from friends. Sure, friends can cover a small part of our needs, but especially after a certain age, it's just not sustainable; friends have their own lives. I've recently saw this behavior from a friend of mine, who I just realised is an avoidant. Does this sound familiar? This is not a dismissive thing I wouldn't think, not familiar to me with DA i know or myself. Possibly an FA thing? Either way it's not secure, emotionally available behavior from what it sounds like. Don't waste your time wondering what is going on in his head. Regardless (and probably just ego based machinations, we all do it if we are unhealthy... ) what you really need is someone who isn't a damn puzzle acting like an immature school boy. Who cares if this guy wants you (he wants your attention, that's for damn sure ) if he is willing to flirt with another female in front of you? Yuck. Who wants to be wanted by an insecure guy like that? You don't, believe me. It reeks of emotional games and manipulations. Games and manipulations are about soothing the ego , not emotional intimacy, interest, or availability. I wish I could hand you a chunk of dismissiveness to borrow, these guys definitely need to be dismissed. Not available!!! Not adequate for you!!! NEXT!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 22:06:26 GMT
And mamut when I say he wants your attention, don't misinterpret that. He wants the attention of the girl he was flirting with too. Don't take any of this personally. He's not a secure man who has something to offer and so can get appropriate attention from a healthy source. Like any insecure person. It's messy stuff and you don't want that. He's not here unpacking issues to get healthier- you are. Leave him behind so you can do that. He's not here. He's not with you. He's stuck in patterns that have nothing to do with you. These things take years of therapy and work- look at your own progress. Would you start at square one with someone who isn't even questioning why they do what they do? If so, why? You can't do that- you've it to work more on yourself to let go. Best of luck you are doing good.
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