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Post by lilyg on May 18, 2022 9:47:31 GMT
I am here yet again feeling not so very secure. Thank you in advance for your help. My boyfriend and I have been living together for some years now. We love each other very much and have a great connection after we were able to get past our rocky start. He used to be very FA and I became an anxious mess. We consolidated into what I thought was a secure couple, but I don't feel very secure with him right now. The thing is that right now we are going through a rough patch. He has been more distant and I've been a bit depressed because. We had a very serious talk like a month ago because we felt like we're drifting apart. I think I've disconnected a bit from everybody and I feel like he has been neglecting some romantic details he used to have with me, as well as not expressing his feelings much, and he feels I work too much and have been neglecting my hobbies. I understood his needs and made an action plan to feel like myself again and I asked him to communicate better with me instead of exploding when he can't hold any longer, so we made a deal to work on reconnecting. I decided to work less, do my hobbies, try new ones, limit my screen time, reconnect with friends, draw boundaries at toxic people who were wearing me down and start therapy. I honestly feel so so good about myself, and I am very proud of my changes. I feel like growing into my adult, happy self. The thing is that we're constantly fighting because every misstep I make in the way he feels like I am not doing enough and I am always going to be the same. I've messed up some important days for him (I was tired at a concert he loved and he knew I was not having the greatest time, and he started a new job and he felt I neglected his archievement because I was working) It's like he never sees the changes I am making, or he wants them faster that I can deliver. I honestly want to work it out with him, but I am feeling very pressured and I hate to feel like that. It's like he thinks I am making excuses while I think I am doing my best and feeling good about myself. I deep down feel like he's being overly critical of me. I want to tackle this reconnecting as a couple.I don't want to be codependent and try to take on all the burden. Has someone been through something similar? Thank you for reading!
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Post by tnr9 on May 18, 2022 10:29:08 GMT
I am here yet again feeling not so very secure. Thank you in advance for your help. My boyfriend and I have been living together for some years now. We love each other very much and have a great connection after we were able to get past our rocky start. He used to be very FA and I became an anxious mess. We consolidated into what I thought was a secure couple, but I don't feel very secure with him right now. The thing is that right now we are going through a rough patch. He has been more distant and I've been a bit depressed because. We had a very serious talk like a month ago because we felt like we're drifting apart. I think I've disconnected a bit from everybody and I feel like he has been neglecting some romantic details he used to have with me, as well as not expressing his feelings much, and he feels I work too much and have been neglecting my hobbies. I understood his needs and made an action plan to feel like myself again and I asked him to communicate better with me instead of exploding when he can't hold any longer, so we made a deal to work on reconnecting. I decided to work less, do my hobbies, try new ones, limit my screen time, reconnect with friends, draw boundaries at toxic people who were wearing me down and start therapy. I honestly feel so so good about myself, and I am very proud of my changes. I feel like growing into my adult, happy self. The thing is that we're constantly fighting because every misstep I make in the way he feels like I am not doing enough and I am always going to be the same. I've messed up some important days for him (I was tired at a concert he loved and he knew I was not having the greatest time, and he started a new job and he felt I neglected his archievement because I was working) It's like he never sees the changes I am making, or he wants them faster that I can deliver. I honestly want to work it out with him, but I am feeling very pressured and I hate to feel like that. It's like he thinks I am making excuses while I think I am doing my best and feeling good about myself. I deep down feel like he's being overly critical of me. I want to tackle this reconnecting as a couple.I don't want to be codependent and try to take on all the burden. Has someone been through something similar? Thank you for reading! Hi lilyg….so glad to hear from you!!! I am glad to read you are doing better…..Covid really did a number on all of us. As to your boyfriend….to me it sounds like he has some boundary issues…which could explain why he isn’t seeing the positive changes you are making and only focusing on when you “let him down”. What I mean by a boundary issue is that he sounds like he doesn’t perceive you as “separate” from him, but instead sees you as an extension. I had the same issue (and I am an FA) and it comes from having a childhood where a parent or parents also did not see the child as “separate”….so boundaries become blurred. It is really tough to see it when that is what you are used to. A couple of suggestions….have an agreement to only speak to each other using “I” terms…as in I feel this because….that is one way to get him back inside of his own body so to speak. Another thing is to express your own boundary……you are not responsible for his happiness etc. He can be disappointed in your actions…but not disappointed in “you”…because you are a separate person from him and thus you are not responsible for him. If he is open to it….I would recommend some somatic experiencing therapy. That was a real game changer for me.
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Post by lilyg on May 18, 2022 11:05:41 GMT
I am here yet again feeling not so very secure. Thank you in advance for your help. My boyfriend and I have been living together for some years now. We love each other very much and have a great connection after we were able to get past our rocky start. He used to be very FA and I became an anxious mess. We consolidated into what I thought was a secure couple, but I don't feel very secure with him right now. The thing is that right now we are going through a rough patch. He has been more distant and I've been a bit depressed because. We had a very serious talk like a month ago because we felt like we're drifting apart. I think I've disconnected a bit from everybody and I feel like he has been neglecting some romantic details he used to have with me, as well as not expressing his feelings much, and he feels I work too much and have been neglecting my hobbies. I understood his needs and made an action plan to feel like myself again and I asked him to communicate better with me instead of exploding when he can't hold any longer, so we made a deal to work on reconnecting. I decided to work less, do my hobbies, try new ones, limit my screen time, reconnect with friends, draw boundaries at toxic people who were wearing me down and start therapy. I honestly feel so so good about myself, and I am very proud of my changes. I feel like growing into my adult, happy self. The thing is that we're constantly fighting because every misstep I make in the way he feels like I am not doing enough and I am always going to be the same. I've messed up some important days for him (I was tired at a concert he loved and he knew I was not having the greatest time, and he started a new job and he felt I neglected his archievement because I was working) It's like he never sees the changes I am making, or he wants them faster that I can deliver. I honestly want to work it out with him, but I am feeling very pressured and I hate to feel like that. It's like he thinks I am making excuses while I think I am doing my best and feeling good about myself. I deep down feel like he's being overly critical of me. I want to tackle this reconnecting as a couple.I don't want to be codependent and try to take on all the burden. Has someone been through something similar? Thank you for reading! Hi lilyg ….so glad to hear from you!!! I am glad to read you are doing better…..Covid really did a number on all of us. As to your boyfriend….to me it sounds like he has some boundary issues…which could explain why he isn’t seeing the positive changes you are making and only focusing on when you “let him down”. What I mean by a boundary issue is that he sounds like he doesn’t perceive you as “separate” from him, but instead sees you as an extension. I had the same issue (and I am an FA) and it comes from having a childhood where a parent or parents also did not see the child as “separate”….so boundaries become blurred. It is really tough to see it when that is what you are used to. A couple of suggestions….have an agreement to only speak to each other using “I” terms…as in I feel this because….that is one way to get him back inside of his own body so to speak. Another thing is to express your own boundary……you are not responsible for his happiness etc. He can be disappointed in your actions…but not disappointed in “you”…because you are a separate person from him and thus you are not responsible for him. If he is open to it….I would recommend some somatic experiencing therapy. That was a real game changer for me. Thank you yeah it's been hard. How are you doing? It's very nice to see you! It is a very interesting take you make. I've ofter thought that if I don't exactly act as he expects in certain events, he'll get extremely angry and blame me for his ruined day. I just wish he had more perspective and understand that if I'm tired in a concert he can still enjoy it. Or that if I don't automatically react as expected I can correct it inmediately and let us enjoy the rest of the evening. I don't think he'll be open to it, sadly. He is very certain it's me the problem. I don't know how to let him see his part on it... I feel like if I don't just take the blame and try to talk about how I feel he thinks I'm just deflecting and making excuses. It's pretty sad, but I am working on drawing healthy boundaries for myself and working on my self-esteem. I don't want to become a pretzel and bend over backwards to adapt exactly as he expects. I do understand his sadness and feelings and I do want to do better and connect more with him but I feel very demotivaded right now. Like I cannot do anything right and I'm gonna mess up anyways.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2022 13:17:14 GMT
Hi lilyg, he could be depressed or struggling with something physiological. The pandemic threw a lot of people off physiologically because of increased stress and inadequate social support. Changed eating habits, drinking habits, and work habits disrupt the body and mind a lot. Sometimes anger is just a sign of a body and brain not in balance, and the physiological causes need to be addressed first. Some of the things a man needs in relationship and will become cranky and withdrawn if these needs aren't met: To feel like he is able you happy To be trusted- in his competence and his loyalty Affection and sex, physical availability To have a woman who is happy Encouragement and admiration, someone in his corner and by his side Companionship Of course, it's very important to know your needs and express them to him (some of which I'm sure are the same as his needs, and are currently not being met. But it also helpful to try to understand how men are a little different than women in some of their needs. We can overlook how sensitive and relationship oriented men can be, if we are feeling rejected our alienated ourselves. Having boundaries around angry behavior is important, but understanding the causes behind the anger can be truly transformational too. The two things you mentioned- his first day at a new job and the concert, sound like big triggers for him. While it may not seem like a big deal that you were tired at the concert (and you are allowed to be tired 🧡) , for him it may have represented your "absence" or his inability to make you happy if the concert was his idea and he wanted you to have a good time with him. I'm not saying that only his needs matter here. But only that if he feels like essentially an unappreciated and unsuccessful man (unsuccessful with you) then that can come out in the kind of dissatisfaction you're seeing. I've found that my boyfriend NEEDS to have a good time with me, he needs companionship, it's a huge piece of his happiness. I don't want to give him a pass for being short tempered with you. And, I'm sorry you're experiencing such criticism and negativity. I can certainly feel your frustration at doing so many healthy things and really giving your all to the relationship and to yourself. What I've learned from conflict in my own relationship is that it takes broadening my view to see where he hurts, where he is vulnerable, where I have let him down thinking of my own needs and failing to understand his because he's not as vocal about them- he's more vocal when they aren't met. He becomes more critical, just as I do. Have you had a direct conversation with him about the feelings you shared here? Or have you expressed that you want to understand his needs and how you can meet them because you love him? So often when things go bad we hunker down and go into the threat response of thinking about our own unhappiness and lose the interdependence and teamwork we really need. We can become pessimistic, demotivated and guarded, and it sounds like he's there, and you're there. That's where it gets tough and renewing love and commitment becomes vital. When it's most difficult. I tend to think it's possible for you two simply because you've been able to have the conversation and you share that you've grown as a couple thus far, and that this is a recent sticking point. I hope you are able to bridge the gap with him. One thing that has helped us is this agreement we made that if just ONE of us can soften in conflict and bring the love and the warmth into the middle of our conflict, the other promises to open and receive it so that we can remember we are PARTNERS and not enemies. It's helped us renew our commitment and trust even in the midst of anger or misunderstanding. I don't know if any of that helps, I'm just now having my coffee and improvising lol.
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Post by lilyg on May 18, 2022 13:42:25 GMT
Hi lilyg , he could be depressed or struggling with something physiological. The pandemic threw a lot of people off physiologically because of increased stress and inadequate social support. Changed eating habits, drinking habits, and work habits disrupt the body and mind a lot. Sometimes anger is just a sign of a body and brain not in balance, and the physiological causes need to be addressed first. Some of the things a man needs in relationship and will become cranky and withdrawn if these needs aren't met: To feel like he is able you happy To be trusted- in his competence and his loyalty Affection and sex, physical availability To have a woman who is happy Encouragement and admiration, someone in his corner and by his side Companionship Of course, it's very important to know your needs and express them to him (some of which I'm sure are the same as his needs, and are currently not being met. But it also helpful to try to understand how men are a little different than women in some of their needs. We can overlook how sensitive and relationship oriented men can be, if we are feeling rejected our alienated ourselves. Having boundaries around angry behavior is important, but understanding the causes behind the anger can be truly transformational too. The two things you mentioned- his first day at a new job and the concert, sound like big triggers for him. While it may not seem like a big deal that you were tired at the concert (and you are allowed to be tired 🧡) , for him it may have represented your "absence" or his inability to make you happy if the concert was his idea and he wanted you to have a good time with him. I'm not saying that only his needs matter here. But only that if he feels like essentially an unappreciated and unsuccessful man (unsuccessful with you) then that can come out in the kind of dissatisfaction you're seeing. I've found that my boyfriend NEEDS to have a good time with me, he needs companionship, it's a huge piece of his happiness. I don't want to give him a pass for being short tempered with you. And, I'm sorry you're experiencing such criticism and negativity. I can certainly feel your frustration at doing so many healthy things and really giving your all to the relationship and to yourself. What I've learned from conflict in my own relationship is that it takes broadening my view to see where he hurts, where he is vulnerable, where I have let him down thinking of my own needs and failing to understand his because he's not as vocal about them- he's more vocal when they aren't met. He becomes more critical, just as I do. Have you had a direct conversation with him about the feelings you shared here? Or have you expressed that you want to understand his needs and how you can meet them because you love him? So often when things go bad we hunker down and go into the threat response of thinking about our own unhappiness and lose the interdependence and teamwork we really need. We can become pessimistic, demotivated and guarded, and it sounds like he's there, and you're there. That's where it gets tough and renewing love and commitment becomes vital. When it's most difficult. I tend to think it's possible for you two simply because you've been able to have the conversation and you share that you've grown as a couple thus far, and that this is a recent sticking point. I hope you are able to bridge the gap with him. One thing that has helped us is this agreement we made that if just ONE of us can soften in conflict and bring the love and the warmth into the middle of our conflict, the other promises to open and receive it so that we can remember we are PARTNERS and not enemies. It's helped us renew our commitment and trust even in the midst of anger or misunderstanding. I don't know if any of that helps, I'm just now having my coffee and improvising lol. What a beautiful response, thank you I understand why I have hurted him. What I think is great in these rocky times is that he understood what was going on inside of him and we were able to talk it out and design a plan, which I think is great and how healthy relationships should be. I was very proud of him and me for understanding what was going on and helping each other out. He likes being in a relationship and I know some things are very important for him, and how I have affected him with my behaviours. I really really understand how he hasn't been feeling like his needs are being met. The thing now is that I feel that every week, sometimes two times a week I mess up so horribly because I fail to meet him exactly where he needs me. He's at least angry for two days straight. We have an amazing weekend and then on monday it all starts again because, for example, I had to jump into a work call while on my working schedule when he was cooking me breakfast and I ate it like 15 minutes later. He also constantly asks me if I have been doing my hobbies and I don't do them everyday, but I've been doing them, as well as meeting new people, trying new hobbies and reconnecting with friends, as well as spending quality time with him and his family and going to therapy. I just feel like I'll just fuck up even if I'm doing things that make me better and I honestly feel like I feel great. Then he gets very angry at me, tells me I'm not doing anything and that I will never change. It honestly hurts so much and makes me feel like I'm not enough. I know it will take time until we both feel connected and secure but I wish he would cut me some slack and appreciate what I'm doing. I just can't keep working on myself while he lashes out every time he feels rejected. I know he feels rejected, I am very sorry about it, but sometimes I have to take that call or I am exhausted after a 5 hour trash metal concert. It feels like he's just evaluating everything to find evidence about my love or lack of it for him. I tried talking with him about it yesterday but he just kept telling me like: 'yeah, everything's my fault now'. It's just such a me vs you mentality. I feel he's not being realistic and he's being quite unfair with me.
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Post by tnr9 on May 18, 2022 13:54:00 GMT
I tried talking with him about it yesterday but he just kept telling me like: 'yeah, everything's my fault now'. It's just such a me vs you mentality. I feel he's not being realistic and he's being quite unfair with me.
That probably ties back to his trauma…..where is did feel like everything was on him…I do relate to that. It may be that you will need to just keep working on your side of the fence and recognise that these frustrations reside within him. Keep using i statements with him….and if he gets caught up in a blame game…I would suggest requesting a time out….so you both can gather your thoughts and provide a cooling period. It may be that he is showing you the best he can be right now and you will want to decide if that still suits your needs or not.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2022 14:00:26 GMT
You definitely deserve grace and to be nurtured too. This is a tough one. I don't know the answers but tend to agree that it's going back to trauma, as tnr9 suggests. At least you can get some empathy and support here. Are you in therapy to take care of you too? My boyfriend's adhd rejection sensitive dysphoria can cause him to react in such ways. Any chance he is neurodivergent, adhd?
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Post by lilyg on May 18, 2022 14:24:31 GMT
I tried talking with him about it yesterday but he just kept telling me like: 'yeah, everything's my fault now'. It's just such a me vs you mentality. I feel he's not being realistic and he's being quite unfair with me. That probably ties back to his trauma…..where is did feel like everything was on him…I do relate to that. It may be that you will need to just keep working on your side of the fence and recognise that these frustrations reside within him. Keep using i statements with him….and if he gets caught up in a blame game…I would suggest requesting a time out….so you both can gather your thoughts and provide a cooling period. It may be that he is showing you the best he can be right now and you will want to decide if that still suits your needs or not. Well, I tried to but he's telling me that I always say I am working on me and that he always feels dragged down by me. I feel so awful, I know I have things to work on but I never guessed he thought of me that way... like I am someone just taking things from him. I think he's breaking up with me. I feel awful, I love him so much and I want to spend my life with him but I would never want to be a burden to anybody. I feel so sad he feels this way. Thank you for your help and your kind words.
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Post by lilyg on May 18, 2022 14:27:46 GMT
You definitely deserve grace and to be nurtured too. This is a tough one. I don't know the answers but tend to agree that it's going back to trauma, as tnr9 suggests. At least you can get some empathy and support here. Are you in therapy to take care of you too? My boyfriend's adhd rejection sensitive dysphoria can cause him to react in such ways. Any chance he is neurodivergent, adhd? Thank you so much. I feel like he tries but he's tired of me, I guess. It seems like he's breaking up with me. I feel sad he feels like I drag him down, I want him to be happy. I thought he was happy with me. Yes I am in therapy, I was feeling very good actually until yesterday. I don't think he's neurodivergent, I think he has attachment issues. It feels like everything's very dramatic. But maybe I'm the real problem, as in we're not as compatible as I thought.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2022 14:59:55 GMT
You definitely deserve grace and to be nurtured too. This is a tough one. I don't know the answers but tend to agree that it's going back to trauma, as tnr9 suggests. At least you can get some empathy and support here. Are you in therapy to take care of you too? My boyfriend's adhd rejection sensitive dysphoria can cause him to react in such ways. Any chance he is neurodivergent, adhd? Thank you so much. I feel like he tries but he's tired of me, I guess. It seems like he's breaking up with me. I feel sad he feels like I drag him down, I want him to be happy. I thought he was happy with me. Yes I am in therapy, I was feeling very good actually until yesterday. I don't think he's neurodivergent, I think he has attachment issues. It feels like everything's very dramatic. But maybe I'm the real problem, as in we're not as compatible as I thought. I can definitely see why you'd be feeling that way if he seems perpetually upset with you, but also isn't the "impending breakup" part of the anxious narrative? As in, fearing that the end is near? Of course it's obvious you guys are on a rocky road but would he hang in there and react emotionally rather than leave? You know him better than I do, you know your dynamic. But he seems needy and protest-y not like he's about to drop the hammer, from what you're saying. I'm just guessing though. It could be a bit of an insecure trap, I don't know enough about the history to weigh in ...
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Post by tnr9 on May 18, 2022 15:01:02 GMT
You definitely deserve grace and to be nurtured too. This is a tough one. I don't know the answers but tend to agree that it's going back to trauma, as tnr9 suggests. At least you can get some empathy and support here. Are you in therapy to take care of you too? My boyfriend's adhd rejection sensitive dysphoria can cause him to react in such ways. Any chance he is neurodivergent, adhd? Thank you so much. I feel like he tries but he's tired of me, I guess. It seems like he's breaking up with me. I feel sad he feels like I drag him down, I want him to be happy. I thought he was happy with me. Yes I am in therapy, I was feeling very good actually until yesterday. I don't think he's neurodivergent, I think he has attachment issues. It feels like everything's very dramatic. But maybe I'm the real problem, as in we're not as compatible as I thought. There may be issues….but you are not the problem…..relationships are rarely black and white. If he cannot own his side of things….then you do not need to take that on as your issue. Perhaps the 2 of you are not a good match but right now you are working off of a feeling instead of what is concrete. Allow yourself grace.
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Post by lilyg on May 18, 2022 15:11:29 GMT
Thank you so much. I feel like he tries but he's tired of me, I guess. It seems like he's breaking up with me. I feel sad he feels like I drag him down, I want him to be happy. I thought he was happy with me. Yes I am in therapy, I was feeling very good actually until yesterday. I don't think he's neurodivergent, I think he has attachment issues. It feels like everything's very dramatic. But maybe I'm the real problem, as in we're not as compatible as I thought. I can definitely see why you'd be feeling that way if he seems perpetually upset with you, but also isn't the "impending breakup" part of the anxious narrative? As in, fearing that the end is near? Of course it's obvious you guys are on a rocky road but would he hang in there and react emotionally rather than leave? You know him better than I do, you know your dynamic. But he seems needy and protest-y not like he's about to drop the hammer, from what you're saying. I'm just guessing though. It could be a bit of an insecure trap, I don't know enough about the history to weigh in ... The thing is that he's writing to me right now really strange messages like he thinks nothing that he does helps and that he has lost all hope. I honestly was not feeling like it was this bad until now. I thought he was having a protesting behaviour. I am really worried about him. Well I've been dealing with some things these years. I do think I had to change many things in me to be more secure, but in general I don't think I'm a person that makes everyone else feel down. Or that I drag down people. I think of course sometimes is my fault but it's not that everything's on me, realistically. Still, he feels that way and I don't want him to be unhappy in a relationship.
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Post by lilyg on May 18, 2022 15:13:36 GMT
Thank you so much. I feel like he tries but he's tired of me, I guess. It seems like he's breaking up with me. I feel sad he feels like I drag him down, I want him to be happy. I thought he was happy with me. Yes I am in therapy, I was feeling very good actually until yesterday. I don't think he's neurodivergent, I think he has attachment issues. It feels like everything's very dramatic. But maybe I'm the real problem, as in we're not as compatible as I thought. There may be issues….but you are not the problem…..relationships are rarely black and white. If he cannot own his side of things….then you do not need to take that on as your issue. Perhaps the 2 of you are not a good match but right now you are working off of a feeling instead of what is concrete. Allow yourself grace. Yes, I think we were but it's clearly not working out if he feels this way. He feels like he has to do things to help me be better... I think I don't need that, but a supporting and empathetic partner. Thank you, I will! I tend to blame myself a lot for everything.
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Post by cherrycola on May 18, 2022 15:54:47 GMT
Unfortunately once that resentment sets in, it can be very hard for someone to come back to the table. Hold me tight by Sue Johnson and anything by Gottman might be good starting points on how to reconnect and learn how to communicate through this.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2022 16:57:02 GMT
There may be issues….but you are not the problem…..relationships are rarely black and white. If he cannot own his side of things….then you do not need to take that on as your issue. Perhaps the 2 of you are not a good match but right now you are working off of a feeling instead of what is concrete. Allow yourself grace. Yes, I think we were but it's clearly not working out if he feels this way. He feels like he has to do things to help me be better... I think I don't need that, but a supporting and empathetic partner. Thank you, I will! I tend to blame myself a lot for everything. Unfortunately that can be an ugly side to anxious behavior, the critical, blaming, controlling side. It can manifest in avoidant as well, but he seems more activated than not by what you've described and seems to see himself as a victim? Definitely need boundaries around that... it gets messy when there are attachment issues involved, and especially so if they loom large. I think it's something that can be overcome IF it's not steering the whole dynamic and if both partners are working toward self responsibility. If not, then it's death by a thousand paper cuts. I agree with anne though- time for some couples counseling?
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