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Post by tnr9 on Oct 18, 2018 11:32:48 GMT
I saw B yesterday...he stopped by before an interview and stayed for a couple of hours. We hugged, we caught up, I revealed that I had not really processed letting him go and that I needed a break from the community because I was noticing how I would get jealous about his interactions with other girls...I owned my stuff. I did slide into cape mode and I acknowledged it. Overall, it was a really good interaction.....but today I am SAD....it actually started last night when I noticed myself slipping into old patterns of rumination...putting together random bits of information to create a story of how B had made someone else special and now I was not anymore...and I couldn't talk my way out of it or even be ok with it....I was going back into possessiveness and I hate when that happens. Somehow I get completely stirred up around B....as much as I want to change..change does not appear to be happening as fast as I would like it to. Are there any suggestions on how I can find my way to love B as a friend? This is so incredibly tiring given that I know intellectually he and I are over romantically.
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Post by 8675309 on Oct 18, 2018 11:46:47 GMT
Personally for me I cannot be friends until Im over my feelings and Im a secure. I have to cut all contact to help me move on from my feelings for them. I will never get over it/prolongs pain if they are still in my life. We can move to being friends when Im over it. If he really wants to be friends he will understand you need the space to move on from him romantically. Maybe you need to do the same.
I dont look at their social media, keep contact, etc as it will put me in my feels. Out of sight out of mind so to speak.
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Post by lilyg on Oct 18, 2018 12:24:00 GMT
I saw B yesterday...he stopped by before an interview and stayed for a couple of hours. We hugged, we caught up, I revealed that I had not really processed letting him go and that I needed a break from the community because I was noticing how I would get jealous about his interactions with other girls...I owned my stuff. I did slide into cape mode and I acknowledged it. Overall, it was a really good interaction.....but today I am SAD....it actually started last night when I noticed myself slipping into old patterns of rumination...putting together random bits of information to create a story of how B had made someone else special and now I was not anymore...and I couldn't talk my way out of it or even be ok with it....I was going back into possessiveness and I hate when that happens. Somehow I get completely stirred up around B....as much as I want to change..change does not appear to be happening as fast as I would like it to. Are there any suggestions on how I can find my way to love B as a friend? This is so incredibly tiring given that I know intellectually he and I are over romantically. Honey, I'm so sad you're dealing with this. I can understand this feeling. A big hug to you and I hope you can relax a bit today. Try to go out with a friend these days so you can focus on other things, perhaps? I need that type of connection until I feel I can process the anxiety on my own. Personally I wouldn't be able to be friends if I break up with my partner. It would be too painful. I just go no contact to lick my wounds alone. I know it's very hard to let go someone, but... it's painful if the other person does not want to work it out. I usually stay 'friends' with exes if they did not mean that much to me, or if we are over each other.
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Post by camper78 on Oct 18, 2018 12:49:47 GMT
hi tnr9 well done on recognizing your patterns and narratives, for communicating honestly with yourself and with B, and for being kind with yourself as you're feeling sad and frustrated. <3 Pausing and reflecting on that so that you can break up the fixated/ruminating thoughts is essential. DA/FA/AP, we all have tendencies to blast off into old ways of thinking, so congrats on slowing that down some. I do understand those feelings of sadness. keep being compassionate toward yourself and perhaps explore that feeling a little further. You've asked "Are there any suggestions on how I can find my way to love B as a friend?". Some wise owl on the boards suggested to me not long ago to try and let go of any attachments you may have around a certain outcome. A different question you could ask is 'what is the deepest root of that sadness and is there some way you can attend to it that does not involve B in any way?' If there is a deep unmet need or belief underlying your attachment to B, there may be ways to attune and tend to that without placing him at the centre. I'm not AP, so not sure if my comments will be of any help (or even if they make sense). I think 8675309 offers some really good practical advice above. -Camper78
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Post by camper78 on Oct 18, 2018 13:14:13 GMT
Sometimes when I feel like I'm trying to claw my way out of an emotional hole, I try to remind myself that there can be room for everything that I feel - even the 'opposites'. It's not 'either/or'.. it's 'both/and':
- it is possible for the sadness & frustration to co-exist with the love and care I feel for someone I know is special - I can care deeply for someone and hold a sacred space for them in my heart, without them being a physical presence in my life - I can feel humbled by how much work I still have to do on my emotional/spiritual growth, and proud of myself for the progress I've made
Some of my deepest frustrations come up when I'm trying to control for a certain result. I find I can step out of my own cage more easily when I stop fighting it and create a little space for both realities to exist equally.
sending hugs.
-Camper78
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Post by alexandra on Oct 18, 2018 19:38:29 GMT
tnr9, you've made a lot of progress. Even if you feel like seeing him has set you back for the moment, you're able to understand what's going on now and will recover from seeing him much more quickly. 1 step back, 2 steps forward is very typical for where you are in the healing process so continue to be patient with yourself. You'll still feel these pulls towards him no matter how long it's been if you're still AP and haven't found a new romantic attachment figure. Just how the pattern tends to play out. You can't rush it, unfortunately, only do what's best for yourself and keep building your own self esteem and healing. As you move towards secure, it will get easier to stay present in regards to the actual issue at hand and not feel like you're drowning under feelings magnified by attachment injury that's unrelated to him. If interacting with him triggers you, that's okay. Just means you're not healed yet and that it's not time to reenage with him in a meaningful way yet, as friends or anything, because you're not done healing your insecure attachment. Stay focused on it being about you, not him, and be proud of the progress you've made and your ability to identify, question, and maybe stop/change your patterns and behaviors.
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Post by leavethelighton on Oct 18, 2018 23:51:16 GMT
It also just may take more time. Sometimes the AP reality is it can take years rather than months before the pain has faded enough that you can be friends again. I hope someone can prove me wrong on this Your breakup is fairly recent though. Give it time...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2018 0:18:53 GMT
I saw B yesterday...he stopped by before an interview and stayed for a couple of hours. We hugged, we caught up, I revealed that I had not really processed letting him go and that I needed a break from the community because I was noticing how I would get jealous about his interactions with other girls...I owned my stuff. I did slide into cape mode and I acknowledged it. Overall, it was a really good interaction.....but today I am SAD....it actually started last night when I noticed myself slipping into old patterns of rumination...putting together random bits of information to create a story of how B had made someone else special and now I was not anymore...and I couldn't talk my way out of it or even be ok with it....I was going back into possessiveness and I hate when that happens. Somehow I get completely stirred up around B....as much as I want to change..change does not appear to be happening as fast as I would like it to. Are there any suggestions on how I can find my way to love B as a friend? This is so incredibly tiring given that I know intellectually he and I are over romantically. There are a lot of stages of a break up...denial, hope, fear, anger, sadness, etc. You will go through all of them and bounce between them once or many times. The one that has been the most powerful and helpful for me is anger. Once I really felt the anger and let myself be angry about it, it became easier to let go and move forward. Then I let go of the anger too. Everyone is different. You will find YOUR way of letting go. I do think though that a period of space is a must before you can even think of a friendship. Take the period of space to really think about what is best for you and only you. Close your mind for a period of time to what anyone else wants. Sometimes, what others want of us can cause confusion and limbo.
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Post by tnr9 on Oct 19, 2018 2:54:34 GMT
Thank you all so much...today I was in a much better place. I was able to work and run errands and I was not sad....a bit nostalgic...but not at all in the place I was yesterday.. I am looking forward to this weekend and to catching up with friends. You have all provided such great insight and I plan to spend some of my free time mulling all of it over. Really glad I can come to these boards when I have these moments.🙂
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Post by lilyg on Oct 19, 2018 6:08:17 GMT
Thank you all so much...today I was in a much better place. I was able to work and run errands and I was not sad....a bit nostalgic...but not at all in the place I was yesterday.. I am looking forward to this weekend and to catching up with friends. You have all provided such great insight and I plan to spend some of my free time mulling all of it over. Really glad I can come to these boards when I have these moments.🙂 You're gonna make it, tnr9 Make this weekend all about you and try to relax. If you feel sad post on PM whenever you like!
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Post by faithopelove on Oct 19, 2018 22:47:38 GMT
I saw B yesterday...he stopped by before an interview and stayed for a couple of hours.  We hugged, we caught up, I revealed that I had not really processed letting him go and that I needed a break from the community because I was noticing how I would get jealous about his interactions with other girls...I owned my stuff.  I did slide into cape mode and I acknowledged it.  Overall, it was a really good interaction.....but today I am SAD....it actually started last night when I noticed myself slipping into old patterns of rumination...putting together random bits of information to create a story of how B had made someone else special and now I was not anymore...and I couldn't talk my way out of it or even be ok with it....I was going back into possessiveness and I hate when that happens.  Somehow I get completely stirred up around B....as much as I want to change..change does not appear to be happening as fast as I would like it to.  Are there any suggestions on how I can find my way to love B as a friend?  This is so incredibly tiring given that I know intellectually he and I are over romantically. trn9 - I get it! These fluctuating emotions are all very normal no matter how much inner work we’ve done. Be kind to yourself- I don’t think it would be possible for me NOT to be stirred up or affected in some way seeing an ex that holds a special place in my heart. You share a history together and even though your mind may recognize that your relationship is over, it doesn’t mean your heart isn’t going to try to hold on. Most AP’s lead with their emotions. I wouldn’t be able to attempt being “just friends” until after several months or even years, if ever, with my ex. I’ve been willing to see my ex but only bc I wanted him back- and there were times when I let my emotions get the best of me and, triggered, I felt rejected by his distant behavior- even though my mind knows we’re broken up and he can’t handle more. My heart wants more. It’s tough- I feel for you and I know how hard it is to not be affected by those we love and at the same be disappointed in ourselves for allowing ourselves to react emotionally. Pull back if it’s too much for you- I did with my ex. If we can’t be around them without feeling triggered than it’s probably best to pull back for some time. It feels safer to me right now. Hugs and prayers 💗
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Post by ocarina on Oct 19, 2018 22:51:04 GMT
Maybe the wanting to feel OK and the frustration at not being able to progress quick enough is the problem? Feeling you should feel differently?
It's paradoxical but by wanting rid of the feelings they will hide below the surface ready to reappear when triggered - sit with them instead, allow what you feel to be real and watch it in your body with compassion and kindness - without attaching to the story, but without wishing it gone and going all out to feel better. That's where true healing happens.
It'ts normal - you're doing great!
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Post by tnr9 on Oct 20, 2018 3:09:42 GMT
Tonight I thought about some of what I am struggling with and if I am honest...I don't understand how B is able to move on...but because he has and I...haven't...I feel like I look foolish/selfish and childish while he looks open/accepting and realistic. While he was over we talked about a girl that he is now friends with in the community. She has invited him to various group activities. He says she is very nice and he finds her attractive...but he has not pursued anything with her because he isn't ready and he doesn't want to hurt anyone else the way he hurt me. I had such mixed feelings....I knew he did not mean to hurt me...but I also felt a bit angry that he was taking extra measures to protect other girls but did not protect me...and yet...I can't stay angry because at the same time....I could have also slowed things down between us. So I am really conflicted. I also can't shake my AP desire to figure him out so that I can change myself to be what he wants so that I could have a second chance.....and the awareness of that hurts because I don't want to manipulate things...but I do....so again...a lot of conflicted feelings. Sometimes it just sucks.
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Post by alexandra on Oct 20, 2018 3:44:56 GMT
Don't get tricked by the AP negative talk. There's room for his feelings (moving on) and yours (moving on at a different speed). Having feelings that are not perfectly mirroring each other doesn't make you less than, as it's not a competition or any point of comparison. I used to do that a lot. I'm so pathetic because it's been X amount of time and he just is so over it and I'm not. Does this reflect how a caretaker made little tnr9 feel at some point? No room for your feelings, the adult will instead tell you how to feel. Maybe the adult will insist you are inferior for having different feelings than they want you to. Maybe that attachment figure appeared to take better care of others, too. Didn't protect your feelings or little tnr9, but appeared to try harder for someone else. Maybe it's not that, but I don't believe the negative feelings and narrative you're going through right now are directly about B. AP patterns developed for protection. Is there anything deeper you can uncover if you keep the focus on yourself and how you're feeling? Does anything about the patterned thoughts seem really familiar but maybe unrelated?
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Post by ocarina on Oct 20, 2018 6:59:04 GMT
Tonight I thought about some of what I am struggling with and if I am honest...I don't understand how B is able to move on...but because he has and I...haven't...I feel like I look foolish/selfish and childish while he looks open/accepting and realistic. While he was over we talked about a girl that he is now friends with in the community. She has invited him to various group activities. He says she is very nice and he finds her attractive...but he has not pursued anything with her because he isn't ready and he doesn't want to hurt anyone else the way he hurt me. I had such mixed feelings....I knew he did not mean to hurt me...but I also felt a bit angry that he was taking extra measures to protect other girls but did not protect me...and yet...I can't stay angry because at the same time....I could have also slowed things down between us. So I am really conflicted. I also can't shake my AP desire to figure him out so that I can change myself to be what he wants so that I could have a second chance.....and the awareness of that hurts because I don't want to manipulate things...but I do....so again...a lot of conflicted feelings. Sometimes it just sucks. You are caught up in the story - it is just that - a story. So real that it feels like the truth but infact it's just your habitual patterns chattering away again. It matters not if it is true or not but your job going forward is to take a step back from the jabbering (internally) and allow it to flow on past and your feelings to surface, be nurtured and also flow on past. Trying to understand it or yourself is just a veiled mechanism to self protect from real experience. Once you learn to to this you are well on your way to being free in the long term. Stop thinking and start feeling! www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLlVV3dKl9wThis one is for you x
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