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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2022 4:16:32 GMT
m.youtube.com/watch?v=5jk7PAa8D1oI thought this video was excellent. Really indicative of my personal experience. And goes into depth about some aspects of FA other videos dont touch on. This is a good video, if not a little too intense to watch lol. She clarified some things for me that I was confused about, between the styles. I definitely relate to what she said about avoidant in many ways, and it helped me understand the other styles a bit more. Couldn't wrap my head around some aspects of the other styles before watching this. And Krolle I can see how the things you have shared here align very well with her descriptions of the FA style.
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Post by krolle on Feb 1, 2022 15:32:17 GMT
m.youtube.com/watch?v=5jk7PAa8D1oI thought this video was excellent. Really indicative of my personal experience. And goes into depth about some aspects of FA other videos dont touch on. This is a good video, if not a little too intense to watch lol. She clarified some things for me that I was confused about, between the styles. I definitely relate to what she said about avoidant in many ways, and it helped me understand the other styles a bit more. Couldn't wrap my head around some aspects of the other styles before watching this. And Krolle I can see how the things you have shared here align very well with her descriptions of the FA style. Interesting you find it intense to watch. Whereas it was a breeze to me. In fact it was one of the few videos about self imorovement that hasnt triggered an anger or exhaustion response in me lately. I was reading an interesting article the other day where it was describing how information which doesnt align with our own experience of reality is actually energetically more difficult for our brains to process. Like fatiguing almost. Which makes sense from a physics perspective if you think about existing pathways vs creating new connections. I also like how it's not just about FA. But a compare and contrast including the other styles. And yes it it does very much align with my experience. Everything from only being comfortable with relationships that have an expiry date. To flip floping on wondering if I was abusive/PD , or my partners were, to the reference of ADHD and Gabor Mate's book 'scattered minds'. It's a really validating video for me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2022 15:38:36 GMT
This is a good video, if not a little too intense to watch lol. She clarified some things for me that I was confused about, between the styles. I definitely relate to what she said about avoidant in many ways, and it helped me understand the other styles a bit more. Couldn't wrap my head around some aspects of the other styles before watching this. And Krolle I can see how the things you have shared here align very well with her descriptions of the FA style. Interesting you find it intense to watch. Whereas it was a breeze to me. In fact it was one of the few videos about self imorovement that hasnt triggered an anger or exhaustion response in me lately. I was reading an interesting article the other day where it was describing how information which doesnt align with our own experience of reality is actually energetically more difficult for our brains to process. Like fatiguing almost. Which makes sense from a physics perspective if you think about existing pathways vs creating new connections. I also like how it's not just about FA. But a compare and contrast including the other styles. And yes it it does very much align with my experience. Everything from only being comfortable with relationships that have an expiry date. To flip floping on wondering if I was abusive/PD , or my partners were, to the reference of ADHD and Gabor Mate's book 'scattered minds'. It's a really validating video for me. No, it isn't that it didn't align, it's that her energy is overwhelming to me- she speaks really quickly and has a pitch that is a little high, and she's busy with her hands. So I had to just keep pausing. But that goes along with DA being overwhelmed by a lot of words spoken (it felt like a flood). I listen to a lot of talks on youtube but do much better when there is a sense of calm and space in the delivery. I am so glad you were validated! She explained FA in a way I could understand, and also AP. How are you doing?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2022 15:43:44 GMT
Adding, and not because I'm trying to be superior or some kind of annoying lol- I aligned with a lot of what she said about secure now too... I can deeply relate to the DA perspective of course but many times in retrospect. It was very helpful to me because there isn't a lot of information about what the transition to secure is like, and it gave me a contrast on the signs she gave. I looked and noticed she had a video about signs you have secure attachment, and I'll go watch that when I'm ready. I clicked on several videos and had a rough time with her delivery but her content is excellent.
Thais Gibson affects me the same way, it's just the speed and intensity.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2022 15:56:47 GMT
It's been really hard for me to understand why other insecure styles get so bruised and battered by rejection and the behavior of their SO, but she articulated the different ways of processing very well. I now understand that in a way I didn't before, but it's true that a DA can keep things more "over there", and maintain the separation between Me and You, and other styles seem to get enmeshed and lost, believing that their feelings are facts about the environment and about others. It made sense of the patterns a I've seen on the boards here. And it helps me understand why my perspective as increasingly less DA but DA origins, isn't helpful to those people. I've really been questioning if it's a good fit anymore, I feel like the odd one out mostly but it's been a great growth chapter!
Anyway, I really could see the resonance between what she was saying and what you've shared, and hope that this provides you a sense of relief and takes some of the confounding mystery out of your experiences.
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Post by cherrycola on Feb 1, 2022 16:30:43 GMT
It's been really hard for me to understand why other insecure styles get so bruised and battered by rejection and the behavior of their SO, but she articulated the different ways of processing very well. I now understand that in a way I didn't before, but it's true that a DA can keep things more "over there", and maintain the separation between Me and You, and other styles seem to get enmeshed and lost, believing that their feelings are facts about the environment and about others. It made sense of the patterns a I've seen on the boards here. And it helps me understand why my perspective as increasingly less DA but DA origins, isn't helpful to those people. I've really been questioning if it's a good fit anymore, I feel like the odd one out mostly but it's been a great growth chapter! Anyway, I really could see the resonance between what she was saying and what you've shared, and hope that this provides you a sense of relief and takes some of the confounding mystery out of your experiences. I for one like you around here. You've validated a lot of the dismissive parts of myself. That avoidant perspective is so valuable but so hard to find because so few of them make it to places like this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2022 16:44:22 GMT
It's been really hard for me to understand why other insecure styles get so bruised and battered by rejection and the behavior of their SO, but she articulated the different ways of processing very well. I now understand that in a way I didn't before, but it's true that a DA can keep things more "over there", and maintain the separation between Me and You, and other styles seem to get enmeshed and lost, believing that their feelings are facts about the environment and about others. It made sense of the patterns a I've seen on the boards here. And it helps me understand why my perspective as increasingly less DA but DA origins, isn't helpful to those people. I've really been questioning if it's a good fit anymore, I feel like the odd one out mostly but it's been a great growth chapter! Anyway, I really could see the resonance between what she was saying and what you've shared, and hope that this provides you a sense of relief and takes some of the confounding mystery out of your experiences. I for one like you around here. You've validated a lot of the dismissive parts of myself. That avoidant perspective is so valuable but so hard to find because so few of them make it to places like this. Ah, thank you, I do appreciate that. I am weary of the reactions I get from anxious posters, to be honest. It isn't helpful for them or for me, I trigger them and they project. I'm not saying my delivery is what it needs to be and I am even taking a self help course on that. But so many times, it's like this: "I feel shame so that means YOU ARE SHAMING ME!" I feel that everything is my fault so YOI ARE TELLING ME ITS MY FAULT!" I feel bad so you are telling me I am bad! I get so many words put in my mouth while the words I actually type get dismissed. So that's not helpful to anyone- it's just triggering because I can't say it how alexandra says it, I am not aware of (or haven't been) exactly what's going on in their heads and what landmines to avoid. So it leaves me the big meanie when I'm actually trying to be helpful. I don't experience this in real life. Anyway, I have got to reflect inside myself to see if my presence is actually a good thing or if it's become unhealthy for others and for me.
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Post by anne12 on Feb 1, 2022 16:53:39 GMT
@introvert - it is possible that it also depends on where people are at in their journey….
You can slow down the speed in the YouTube clips up in the right corner…
What type of course are you taking ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2022 17:14:51 GMT
@introvert - it is possible that it also depends on where people are at in their journey…. You can slow down the speed in the YouTube clips up in the right corner… What type of course are you taking ? I am taking a course from the Daily OM that I saw on my social media feed. It's called How to Communicate like a Buddhist which honestly turned me off at first because I think of some monotone, zenned out clone with that title. But, It's really fantastic. I can see where I get it right and how to improve also. Some of the content is hard for me to relate to in terms of the author's own internal process, but generally it's all been very applicable. I would recommend it to anyone.
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Post by alexandra on Feb 1, 2022 17:54:31 GMT
@introvert, having opposing viewpoints is helpful because people don't always know or realize that others truly have different mindsets and thought patterns. There's something to be said for feeling triggered in the moment but still being made to think, even if it means coming back to it later. That depends on where the person is in the process, as anne said, because you're right that not everyone will be receptive and you can and do bow out if that's the case, as you sometimes say you're doing. But I don't think your insight is a bad fit or waste at all.
Before you joined the board, there were a few avoidants who had a battle with a few anxious. Multiple times, that's how we ended up with multiple categories and support areas. I think that's common and perhaps inevitable on a forum like this depending on where everyone is at since it has indeed come up before. And even in real life, I've seen and had my fair share of unaware anxious/avoidant friendships blow up spectacularly. It's not just limited to romantic relationships.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2022 19:45:24 GMT
@introvert , having opposing viewpoints is helpful because people don't always know or realize that others truly have different mindsets and thought patterns. There's something to be said for feeling triggered in the moment but still being made to think, even if it means coming back to it later. That depends on where the person is in the process, as anne said, because you're right that not everyone will be receptive and you can and do bow out if that's the case, as you sometimes say you're doing. But I don't think your insight is a bad fit or waste at all. Before you joined the board, there were a few avoidants who had a battle with a few anxious. Multiple times, that's how we ended up with multiple categories and support areas. I think that's common and perhaps inevitable on a forum like this depending on where everyone is at since it has indeed come up before. And even in real life, I've seen and had my fair share of unaware anxious/avoidant friendships blow up spectacularly. It's not just limited to romantic relationships. I appreciate what you're saying. I know that it's related to where someone is in their process, and I have compassion on one hand but on the other it's hurtful to me in some sense. Like, that's an issue I had with my own mother- kind of being scapegoated and projected upon and unheard for what I was really trying to convey. As though I'm just some bully or something, instead of someone who is empathizing (woth attachment insecurity) and trying to help. And since I'm the only DA that I know of I feel the absence of like minds when it comes to perspectives. I feel like some of my experiences have been validated in that video actually- what she said about anxious going around slapping labels and pointing the finger... that happens a lot too. She explained in a way that made sense... they think their internal feelings are an accurate representation of what is actually going on. So if I celebrate my relationship, I' "gloating". Avoidants are pathological. I mean, it adds up over time and I begin to wonder if me being here is a continuation of patterns I've left behind IRL. I get that it's online and there are going to be differences, I do bow out, and I am able to have boundaries. It's almost like death by a thousand papercuts to read the anxious perspective over months maybe, it can be very harsh although I know that some think everyone else is harsh. Im just trying to represent my own feelings here, but it's something I need to process internally. I say things to my friends and they appreciate and respond so differently, its sometimes surreal to me. A lot is lost in writing vs. in person as well... I get the big picture but it just is beginning to feel cringey I guess. Some may feel offended by this but there are different sides to consider, we aren't all going to see things the same way. Appreciate the chat about it though.
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Post by alexandra on Feb 1, 2022 20:09:29 GMT
If you feel negative about the interactions or like anything is getting toxic, you don't need to tolerate that or put energy towards reading or interacting with internet strangers, of course. I was just making the point that I don't think your posts are a bad fit. Attachment is a topic that naturally invites conflict at first, which is then hard because all insecures struggle with conflict in the first place. And especially early in awareness, that can escalate without thinking enough about how the other person feels. That's why we lost all the DAs in the first place!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2022 21:01:38 GMT
So sorry, didn't mean to hijack your thread krolle ! Again, I can really see how that video could be helpful to you, and I hope you're doing well (relative, it's all relative with this !)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 16:57:17 GMT
@introvert When I first entered this Forum some people thought I was a troll …. - and that it made no sence what I was posting… Well then you are a very Helpful Troll 😂😃 If I keep it to the self help section for DA, and read along with what you're posting, that's probably good enough. I do still benefit from the forum but will leave the anxious posts alone.
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Post by krolle on Feb 2, 2022 18:39:58 GMT
So sorry, didn't mean to hijack your thread krolle ! Again, I can really see how that video could be helpful to you, and I hope you're doing well (relative, it's all relative with this !) I wouldn't consider it hijacking if your input is invited ☺ I second what cherrycola said. I personally really value your presence here. The posts you make occasionally where you talk about yourself vulnerably are really endearing. Remember I have an avoidant side too. We shared good dialog a while back relating to how we felt under siege as avoidants. So I empathize. I'm just triggered anxious lately. So if that video is to be believed I'v lost half my sense of reasoning lol. Maybe just be aware that anxious people who project here are often in a lot of pain. The people they love most in the world have usually discarded them and refuse to talk or sometimes even want to aknowledge they exist, for reasons they don't understand. It's not personal. In those initial days we are acting with the emotional maturity of a child. Maybe try to think about using the "attacks" of the more agitated members here as a kind of training. Exposure to a stressor. like excercise. I imagine being able to sit with other peoples emotions, especially strong or critical ones without taking it personal, or becoming defensive is a step toward more security for somebody with avoidant tendancies.
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