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Post by seeking on Mar 26, 2023 22:55:28 GMT
I could just be happy with my friends and my writing and my paddling instead of fretting about sex and romantic love. My life is a far cry from horrible. So why am I in pain so often? I get it on an intellectual level. So why not just be happy? What purpose does fretting serve? Maybe instead of an intellectualization of "Why am I in pain so often?" Sit with the question - in your body - of "What hurts right now?" And try naming it out loud, to yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2023 23:22:55 GMT
lovebunny, it's not yet been three months after a breakup of a 3 year relationship that involved cohabitation... I think you're doing pretty dang great. It takes time, sometimes that is as important as the work...we can't force healing. You can't force happiness, and I know you know that... just encouraging you to give yourself plenty of grace and some time. I don't think it's unusual at all to still be grieving a relationship of this length.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 4:11:39 GMT
lovebunny if you're interested, I can DM you a link to a guided meditation for feeling/honoring your profound disappointment and pain. Rather than crying alone, you may wish to find support inside yourself with some gentle empathetic guidance that helps you feel the weight of it, without shame or "shoulds". I sense a lot of resistance to grief, and of course you want 5o be done grieving,but it isn't finished yet. You've shown a history of finding resilience, and gaining insights, and you are finding resilience and gaining insights now. Be careful not to shame yourself or lose patience with yourself for feeling the way you do... 3 years is a long time and your hope was real hope, your investment was a real investment, even if it was undercut by misguided beliefs and fearful thinking. You still put your whole self in and got really hurt by what happened. Sometimes I think there is a rush to figure things out when we realize we have made a mistake, or that we aren't where we so desperately want to be. I don't know if I'm missing the mark, if you feel any inside pressure to tidy this up, box it, and move on, but if you do, be gentle, grief takes time and it subsides in time. Hugs, lady.
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Post by lovebunny on Mar 27, 2023 12:31:58 GMT
seeking, To answer your questions: No, I have never been with someone fully available to me. Exbf was the best relationship I ever had (until it wasn't.) He was the most communicative, attentive, and attuned (until he wasn't.) This is part of my confusion.I don't think I'm turning away people who are available and compatible in favor of people who aren't. I'm either not attracting available people at all, or they aren't in my dating pool. For example, a couple weeks ago,I went to get my haircut. The very tall, handsome hairdresser turned out not to be gay, and by the end of the cut, he'd asked me out. We went out a couple times, and turns out he's pretty much a vagabond who lives on his boat and travels from place to place and "doesn't need anybody." Not a life I'd want for myself. So I didn't take it further. Instead, I put my focus on a guy I met online who seemed more stable and available. We went out with once and I thought we'd hit it off...but he ghosted soon after that one great date. This is a typical picture of what my dating life looks like. Unavailable people sniff me out, they're the only ones who pursue me. What do I mean by intensity? I guess I mean "energy?" The thing that lights them up? Some people get their energy/ lit up about their work, or their hobby, or (in my case) their person....
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Post by lovebunny on Mar 27, 2023 12:48:03 GMT
@introvert, Sure, let's try the meditation, I'm not a great meditator, I prefer exercise in nature for my tranquility, but I've been thinking I need to try harder, learn to be in the moment more. Thanks! And thank you for the reality check. I have no idea what's normal amount of time to be devastated, as I'm often suffering longer than the relationships actually last. I want to spend less time heartbroken, I want to be more resilient. But yes, I was really in love with this dude and invested to say the least. He was my whole world (which is part of the problem.) anne, Yes, I think I might be very close to menopause, it's been several months with no period. I take supplements that are supposed to help with the mood swings and hot flashes. It is very difficult to tell what is hormonal and what is grief.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 14:20:32 GMT
@introvert, Sure, let's try the meditation, I'm not a great meditator, I prefer exercise in nature for my tranquility, but I've been thinking I need to try harder, learn to be in the moment more. Thanks! And thank you for the reality check. I have no idea what's normal amount of time to be devastated, as I'm often suffering longer than the relationships actually last. I want to spend less time heartbroken, I want to be more resilient. But yes, I was really in love with this dude and invested to say the least. He was my whole world (which is part of the problem.) anne , Yes, I think I might be very close to menopause, it's been several months with no period. I take supplements that are supposed to help with the mood swings and hot flashes. It is very difficult to tell what is hormonal and what is grief. I sent you the link, maybe you will find it helpful. đź’›
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Post by lovebunny on Mar 31, 2023 17:53:16 GMT
I tried @introvert's meditation a couple days back, but got agitated and weepy. Will maybe try again today, I'm calmer. I actually had a night this week where I was home alone, laying down watching t.v., and I realized I felt peaceful. I thought to myself: "This is what a calm nervous system feels like" so I can remember it. It's not a state I've felt in some time.
It occurs to me that the reasons I feel I should be moving on quicker from this breakup are comparison-based:
1) Several people I've really struggled to let go of moved on quickly from me, usually we were already in a love triangle. I don't look at exbf on social media and our friend groups don't overlap so I don't *know* this, nor is it a particularly helpful thought to entertain,but judging by how focused he was on OW at the end of our relationship, how, according to him, the only reason they weren't together more often was because I got so upset,I'm imagining he gleefully jumped in with both feet, and all those tears and "I'm so sorry" I heard from him in the weeks immediately after the break up were about him feeling guilty and put-upon rather than sadness that I was leaving. Why do I believe this? Because clearly, he was unsatisfied with me a while, and because he is not trying to get me back.
2) I have moved on quickly before, granted not after something as long-term and intimate as this relationship. And usually because I hadn't really bonded or committed in the first place. I have also *seemingly* moved on from relationships while inside, I was still stuck on the last person.
I keep going over listing the things I've lost in this breakup, apart from just my relationship and my boyfriend: My sex life, a house I loved, pets I loved, furniture I bought, I am not able to inventory, at the moment, if there's anything I've gained, besides not actively being subjected to watching someone fall out of love with me in real time (I'm still seeing it in my head, though.)
It's another lonely weekend coming up. Everyone's out of town or busy, if I do anything it'll have to be on my own. I've already had several evenings of just working, coming home and watching tv by myself, haven't felt up to going out alone. It's getting tedious.
I found a therapist here willing to see me/take my insurance, but judging by how I had to tell explain to the office manager what love addiction was--he thought I was saying "drug" addiction, he'd never heard of such a thing, I'm not hopeful. I've contacted a few online therapist that specialize in love addiction for rates, but so far they charge nothing reasonable. I have a dear friend pushing me to do love addicts anonymous online meetings, she's alcoholics anonymous and swears by it, but I'm just so turned off by the language/ideas in the tenets. My higher power is nature and she doesn't give a **** about our individual lives. And if I'm helpless against my addiction, how come I don't contact him or try to get him back?
Anyway, feeling better today, but still kinda lost. Still don't know what to do with myself most of the time, I have no confidence that I'll be successful at anything I attempt that requires real focus. Just like a head injury. Gonna take myself out to lunch now. Thanks for listening!
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Post by anne12 on Apr 2, 2023 3:27:51 GMT
lovebunny Just wanted to say that a lot of women on the instinctive level wants to feel protected and to be “taken care of”, not having to do everything on their own There is a post about this, but I can’t find it right now. Maybe you are just more feminine in you essence ? - jebkinnisonforum.com/post/50713/Which maybe can make it a bit harder for you to be / to feel alone ? Some women are more feminine in their essence while others are more masculine in their essence
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Post by lovebunny on Apr 2, 2023 13:30:56 GMT
anne12, Yes, a good observation. I actually use the phrase "I'm the little spoon" on my dating profile! I'm impressed you gleaned that just from my writing here.
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Post by lovebunny on Apr 2, 2023 20:14:50 GMT
I understand I need to be able to be ok alone, but how alone is too alone?
No one has texted or called me today on my day off, no one has reached out, and I've given up. I'll just go out by myself a little tonight. I know I shouldn't be dating when I'm so fragile, but if I didn't go out on a date last night, tonight would be my 5th night in a row of having no one to talk to.
I don't have enough deep friendships to fill the void, do most people? Is it just people my age are busy with their families and jobs? I made a few new friends this year and I'm glad, but I'm lacking consistent companionship. Is this where I'm supposed to just keep busy so I don't notice the lack of people in my life?
I talked to some friends about starting a pub trivia team, so there's that. I've been meaning to start a paddleboard meet up, but I'm struggling because that's something I did with exbf and it's sad to think of doing it with others and not inviting him.
At least next weekend looks a little less bleak, I've got a party to go to and a dear friend in town. This alone-ness is why I'm anxiously attached to partners, and it isn't easily or quickly fixed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 1:45:23 GMT
lovebunny , at times in my life when I felt more isolated than I'd like, I've done some volunteering. It was very rewarding to lend a hand to others, increased my gratitude as well. Have you tried that as a way to connect with people?
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Post by lovebunny on Apr 3, 2023 13:38:22 GMT
lovebunny , at times in my life when I felt more isolated than I'd like, I've done some volunteering. It was very rewarding to lend a hand to others, increased my gratitude as well. Have you tried that as a way to connect with people? Thanks, Introvert. I work part time for a busy nonprofit animal rescue, I get paid (minimally--I make my actual living money through my hospitality job) but this adequately ticks my urge-to-help box. I certainly don't do it for the $. Everyone has the same well-meaning advice. Volunteer, join a baseball team, walk a dog, take a class. If I'm being honest, I don't want to do any of that. I want to be able to come home and talk to someone who is my person. I understand I can't have that right now, maybe won't ever have it again. The whole idea that I could be ok and happy alone forever just, like, doing things feels like words in a foreign language, I can't grasp it at the moment. "Getting back out there" is hard when my ability to deal with people comes and goes. Sometimes at work I am sucking the tears back into my head in the same five seconds it takes to put a fake smile on for the tourists. I'm resisting committing to things that might require me to fake being ok. I miss exbf and the pets so much sometimes it just about drops me to my knees and I have to keep reminding myself he likely isn't feeling the same way at all. And the lack of touch....we were making love sometimes 3 times a day up until the very end, and I'm pretty sure that's got me chemically out of whack. Anyway, I think I'm going to step away from journaling and hogging up this board for a bit, try to motivate myself outwards and accomplish something, anything. I very much appreciate your support here, y'all rock!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 14:23:08 GMT
lovebunny , at times in my life when I felt more isolated than I'd like, I've done some volunteering. It was very rewarding to lend a hand to others, increased my gratitude as well. Have you tried that as a way to connect with people? Thanks, Introvert. I work part time for a busy nonprofit animal rescue, I get paid (minimally--I make my actual living money through my hospitality job) but this adequately ticks my urge-to-help box. I certainly don't do it for the $. Everyone has the same well-meaning advice. Volunteer, join a baseball team, walk a dog, take a class. If I'm being honest, I don't want to do any of that. I want to be able to come home and talk to someone who is my person. I understand I can't have that right now, maybe won't ever have it again. The whole idea that I could be ok and happy alone forever just, like, doing things feels like words in a foreign language, I can't grasp it at the moment. "Getting back out there" is hard when my ability to deal with people comes and goes. Sometimes at work I am sucking the tears back into my head in the same five seconds it takes to put a fake smile on for the tourists. I'm resisting committing to things that might require me to fake being ok. I miss exbf and the pets so much sometimes it just about drops me to my knees and I have to keep reminding myself he likely isn't feeling the same way at all. And the lack of touch....we were making love sometimes 3 times a day up until the very end, and I'm pretty sure that's got me chemically out of whack. Anyway, I think I'm going to step away from journaling and hogging up this board for a bit, try to motivate myself outwards and accomplish something, anything. I very much appreciate your support here, y'all rock! I'm so sorry lovebunny, I've been achingly lonely at times, and I actually personified my loneliness and became a companion to it. I sat with it, talked to it, took it everywhere with me. It really was this presence that I was acutely aware of during a time of deep isolation. To endure, is sometimes the only thing we can do. Things shift over time, and it's hard to imagine that this isn't forever but all things change with time. Hugs lady.
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Post by lovebunny on Apr 3, 2023 17:18:02 GMT
@introvert, Thank you, your kind words help. I like the idea of a personification of loneliness and talking to her.
What caused the isolation, if I may ask, and more importantly, how did you work your way out of it, or was it something in your external world that shifted?
I feel as if, for some reason I don't understand, I've been largely excluded from things like love, belonging, family. I know there's times when I don't feel that way, but a majority of my life has been fairly lonely. I know I don't let a lot of people get close to me, because when I do, I'm hurt and disappointed easily. I don't do small talk well, and terrible at hiding emotions, and am a bit too "intense" for a lot of people. I've rarely been able to make deep friendships or long term relationships, things that seem to come naturally to people who weren't brought up in a state of benign neglect.
Where I'm living now is the longest I've ever lived anywhere in my life, so I'm lucky to have a few friendships that are like 10 years old. Exbf is so rooted in this place, he's a native, and has family here and friends from high school. I envied it, and just wanted to be let in. I have no idea how to even be someone who has a big group of friends, or a close family, or a stable relationship. It's truly alienating.
I feel ok today, though I wish I had someone to have dinner with tonight, you know?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2023 4:33:18 GMT
@introvert, Thank you, your kind words help. I like the idea of a personification of loneliness and talking to her. What caused the isolation, if I may ask, and more importantly, how did you work your way out of it, or was it something in your external world that shifted? I feel as if, for some reason I don't understand, I've been largely excluded from things like love, belonging, family. I know there's times when I don't feel that way, but a majority of my life has been fairly lonely. I know I don't let a lot of people get close to me, because when I do, I'm hurt and disappointed easily. I don't do small talk well, and terrible at hiding emotions, and am a bit too "intense" for a lot of people. I've rarely been able to make deep friendships or long term relationships, things that seem to come naturally to people who weren't brought up in a state of benign neglect. Where I'm living now is the longest I've ever lived anywhere in my life, so I'm lucky to have a few friendships that are like 10 years old. Exbf is so rooted in this place, he's a native, and has family here and friends from high school. I envied it, and just wanted to be let in. I have no idea how to even be someone who has a big group of friends, or a close family, or a stable relationship. It's truly alienating. I feel ok today, though I wish I had someone to have dinner with tonight, you know? Well, I consider myself to have suffered chronic isolation from a very young age, although during my childhood being outdoors in nature and with my animals was what I sought for to feel belonging. I feel I've mostly been on the outside looking in without necessarily wanting to join, but it hit me hard when I was in an abusive relarionship in my 30s, and hadn't disclosed it to anyone, and I realized that I felt that home was nowhere and there was no where I belonged. I am not sure I was lonely for friends or for love, I was bereft not having my own world anymore maybe, being solitary (which is what I felt that relationship was.. it was him against me and me needing to escape, with no where to go)... I felt disillusioned and could no longer find a way to feel ok. So the abuse and no confidantes isolated me. Making a companion of my loneliness was beautiful in a way, and although I didn't know anything about attachment styles I now can see it was a form of auto regulation. I did not want to disclose my pain to others, and the ultimate comfort for me was to take care of it myself and therefore not need to rely on anyone else. I felt willing to go to the end of the earth, my loneliness as my companion, to endure this and not have to trust or rely. I think it saved my life, and it was probably the very beginning of me listening to and having compassion for myself, and my feelings. It actually helped me find a sort of peace and solidity in myself, in spite of the horrible bullying I was facing. I'm fact it infuriated him, that I could sit outside under the big pine tree, and feel peace. He saw it. He would come sit beside me and build his anger, while I sat with my self and my new friend and I felt untouchable. I was too aloof. But it was right to protect myself this way, and also the only way I could. What ultimately happened though, is my body betrayed me in the most wonderful(and mortifying) way. I was in a class, amongst good people, who cared for me and were kind to me. I had given no indication to them what kind of suffering I had at home. One day in their presence I broke down crying. Sobbing. Ultimately I confessed that I was ashamed of what was happening to me at home, and that I wanted to leave. They were so kind and nobody judged me. They thought I was strong and not weak, and they encouraged me. So that was a shift, and it happened I guess because I needed it to. I just didn't know anyone would care too much. My family didn't.... I ultimately left, obviously, and the process then was healing from trauma and starting over as a single mom. And years later, lots of stepping stones and increased awareness, learning about attachment theory, etc etc. For me, I had to open to people, as an avoidant. It took years, little by little over time. Befriending my loneliness at that time allowed me to self regulate which is what I needed to be able to take care of myself enough to escape that world.. but it couldn't carry me further. I still lived as an avoidant for years but a healthy seed was planted and when the time was right, it grew and grew. Here I am. For you, I suspect that the self regulation piece is key, so it may be more helpful than you think to take care of your loneliness as if it needs you as much as you need it. It does in fact need you, no one else will do. It's a paradox it seems. I wanted to be alone but I needed people most. Your journey may entail turning to yourself rather than to others. Maybe not, I cannot say. But seeking others isn't working for you, just like being alone wasn't working for me. None of it is easy, it all involves breaking of some sort.
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