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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 14:21:53 GMT
This points at a significant factor that shows up in many of the relationships Anxious-Preoccupieds have: anger. This helpless anger is often directed toward both parents and partners.
This sentence is from Jeb's website. My question is, do APs feel or know this anger exists or is it an "unconscious" anger?
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Post by Jaeger on Feb 21, 2018 14:41:46 GMT
This points at a significant factor that shows up in many of the relationships Anxious-Preoccupieds have: anger. This helpless anger is often directed toward both parents and partners.This sentence is from Jeb's website. My question is, do APs feel or know this anger exists or is it an "unconscious" anger? In my experience, they know very well. Helpless anger, or frustration, is especially rampant during the break up phase of a relationship and may very well lead to physical violence from an AP, and at least lead to protest behaviours (which you could call attempts at manipulation).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 15:07:09 GMT
the intense longing of an AP seems to get conflated with love, also- so it seems to them that they love their partners but really just have a tremendous need to be validated. when that doesn't happen, the mask comes off. that's how it looks to me, at least.
i never felt loved by an AP, i felt something very different from them. and the insistence that what they were doing was "loving" me insulted my intelligence and common sense. that was my experience.
romanticizing the longing takes the focus off the anger? idk i am just pondering?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 15:14:09 GMT
I wonder because I haven't seen much anger expressed by APs on this board. Much more longing and yearning. So I wondered if they are aware of the anger? But perhaps the posts about what "DAs do/have done to them" is the anger.
Can the anger be subsided with more reassurance from their partner?
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Post by yasmin on Feb 21, 2018 15:22:40 GMT
I've seen quite a lot of anger on the boards here Hmm..as FA I am trying to think if I feel angry when my anxious side rears its head. I think, Yes, it does make me feel quite angry. I think that brings out the ugly side / lashing out.
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Post by alpenglow on Feb 21, 2018 15:22:47 GMT
Yes, there is a lot of repressed anger from APs, towards both parents and partners from not having needs met. Anger often turns inwards, but sometimes through protest behaviours like manipulating the partner in order to get their needs met.
I also believe that the intense longing that APs experience is conflated with love, like tgat suggested. It's rather a need to be validated. Perhaps there is some true love in it (I'm trying not to be black and white), but they are often mixed up.
I believe that anger can be reduced with more reassurance, something which will deactivate attachment strategies.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 15:24:39 GMT
I've seen quite a lot of anger on the boards here Hmm..as FA I am trying to think if I feel angry when my anxious side rears its head. I think, Yes, it does make me feel quite angry. I think that brings out the ugly side / lashing out. Being DA, I don't see the anger
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Post by alpenglow on Feb 21, 2018 15:25:43 GMT
I remember one episode, of which I am not especially proud of, with my ex. I was struggling to put on a heavy backpack before we started on a hike. She noticed it, and tried to help me. I lashed out at her instead of welcoming her help. My "failure" core belief was triggered at that point. I felt like a failure for not managing to put a backpack on. I was probably irritated about something else, but still. Just an example of how self-hate can sometimes be turned both inwards and outwards.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 15:29:36 GMT
Yes, there is a lot of repressed anger from APs, towards both parents and partners from not having needs met. Anger often turns inwards, but sometimes through protest behaviours like manipulating the partner in order to get their needs met. I also believe that the intense longing that APs experience is conflated with love, like tgat suggested. It's rather a need to be validated. Perhaps there is some true love in it (I'm trying not to be black and white), but they are often mixed up. I believe that anger can be reduced with more reassurance, something which will deactivate attachment strategies. Yep, I missed all the signs. I didn't tie together the anger, the protest behaviors and other things with my ex.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 15:35:42 GMT
I remember one episode, of which I am not especially proud of, with my ex. I was struggling to put on a heavy backpack before we started on a hike. She noticed it, and tried to help me. I lashed out at her instead of welcoming her help. My "failure" core belief was triggered at that point. I felt like a failure for not managing to put a backpack on. I was probably irritated about something else, but still. Just an example of how self-hate can sometimes be turned both inwards and outwards. Oh man, I know this all too well. I offered to help my ex before going on a trip. He said, You're kidding, right? I don't need any help from you! He seemed angry, but I shrugged it off. Geez, I was blind.
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Post by alpenglow on Feb 21, 2018 15:40:22 GMT
Right, you know it well from the receiver end! Good thing you mentioned "I don't need any help from you", I forgot that bit. I also said that in my story. And the reason why, is again because of the failure core belief: "if I need help from someone else, it proves that I can't be self-reliant, hence damaged/flawed". All of this explains the anger, even the fury sometimes. It all comes back to those very negative core beliefs about the self. They trigger shame. Anger is an expression of self-hatred.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 15:44:06 GMT
I remember one episode, of which I am not especially proud of, with my ex. I was struggling to put on a heavy backpack before we started on a hike. She noticed it, and tried to help me. I lashed out at her instead of welcoming her help. My "failure" core belief was triggered at that point. I felt like a failure for not managing to put a backpack on. I was probably irritated about something else, but still. Just an example of how self-hate can sometimes be turned both inwards and outwards. Oh man, I know this all too well. I offered to help my ex before going on a trip. He said, You're kidding, right? I don't need any help from you! He seemed angry, but I shrugged it off. Geez, I was blind. this really highlights the incongruence of AP's demanding signs of love and rejecting them when they happen! it's an endless loop. such a toxic dilemma.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 15:53:43 GMT
Right, you know it well from the receiver end! Good thing you mentioned "I don't need any help from you", I forgot that bit. I also said that in my story. And the reason why, is again because of the failure core belief: "if I need help from someone else, it proves that I can't be self-reliant, hence damaged/flawed". All of this explains the anger, even the fury sometimes. It all comes back to those very negative core beliefs about the self. They trigger shame. Anger is an expression of self-hatred. I knew he had a negative self image and anger, but I admit I was focused more on the hurt he was causing me. I tried ramping up the reassurance (knowing I don't always give enough) and every nice thing I said, he rejected and was mean back to me. So I slowly stopped saying nice things. He once told me he thought that the mean things he was saying was pointed towards him, but they were negative about me and he didn't see it.
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Post by cricket on Feb 21, 2018 16:06:38 GMT
I like this topic. I have never really been able to get in touch w my angry side when the relationship ends. It's something I have talked w my therapist about too. I am usually too sad and I fully believe it is better to understand where both sides are coming from rather than be angry. I feel like that is a cover up for other emotions and logically I know it is ridiculous to be mad at someone for having different feelings than myself. I don't like feeling angry at this person I claim to have feelings for. I feel somehow like being mad at them or saying mean things about them is really just being mad at myself and saying mean things about myself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 16:18:52 GMT
What types of reassurance do you think would help with the anger? I have tried using compliments and saying how I care about him. That seemed like it made it worse. Are there specific things that could make this better? Not lash out?
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